General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Animangaboy]

Like I said... again... Yamato won't be the one to look after Wano, she will only be a retainer, a guard for the shogun.

In other word: A Samurai.

Yamato has a lot to look for in Wano: Starting with Acceptance and freedom. There is no real purpose for Yamato. She doesn't have any reason to leave (right now) or to follow Luffy. Freedom can be achieve both on the sea and on land.

Carrot on the other hand wants adventure. So she has a reason to leave.

Yamato also said that she wants to go out to the sea at 8 years old let's not lie about her wanting to leave Wano to go reread the chapters 1024-1025 causes Yamato always states that she wants to go out to the sea but you kept on saying it isn't a dream 😭😭😭 when Oda himself show it is 😂 cant tell for your bunny girl 🤭

 

[Logiko]

Yamato also said that she wants to go out to the sea at 8 years old let's not lie about her wanting to leave Wano to go reread the chapters 1024-1025 causes Yamato always states that she wants to go out to the sea but you kept on saying it isn't a dream 😭😭😭 when Oda himself show it is 😂 cant tell for your bunny girl 🤭

I see a simple desire here, not a dream. In fact, there is not dream of wanting to got out to the sea even during Ace's flashback.Yamato only wants to go to the sea to leave freely. Meaning that her goal is not the sea, it's freedom.

THe thing is : "Dreaming about" and "Wanting" are two very different things in One Piece. One is set in stones, the other is something that can evolve.

Freedom, like I said to you multiple times (but you keep forgetting about it) can be done on sea but ALSO on land. Soo... unless you give me a deeper desire for Yamato wanting to get out to the sea, I will consider that this desire can still evolve.

So... Give me a dream, or keep silent.

 

[Uncle Van]

Here to remind you all that the argument is that Oda cares about Carrot more than any other character, since he's completely changing his writing style just for her.

Good day.

 

[Animangaboy]

Yamato also said that she wants to go out to the sea at 8 years old let's not lie about her wanting to leave Wano to go reread the chapters 1024-1025 causes Yamato always states that she wants to go out to the sea but you kept on saying it isn't a dream 😭😭😭 when Oda himself show it is 😂 cant tell for your bunny girl 🤭

Also i like said before, nothing is stopping Yamato from leaving Wano, No Cuffs, No Kaido and No Responsible of the beast pirates cause she(ODA) already says that she cut tides from kaido and isn't their ally anymore. so come again with something else stopping her 👀🥴.

 

[Chaves]

I only see it possible for Yamato to join the pack if Momo goes along with her.

All these earlier chapters proved that she is the retaining guardian of the Shogun and Oda has established a completely special treatment between her and Momo

 

[Logiko]

Here to remind you all that the argument is that Oda cares about Carrot more than any other character, since he's completely changing his writing style just for her.

Good day.

Well.. that's the great mystery.

The fact is: Oda did changed his style with specifically the character of Carrot. More precisely, he change his character treatment pattern with her. The question is .. why ?

My theory is CarrotforNakama. That's the simplest way to answer the riddle like the recurance of Carrot (a BG character).. on a BIG strawhat post or her treatment in 888.. or her strange closeness with the crew.. without creating new questions...

But I'm open for more suggestion.

Also i like said before, nothing is stopping Yamato from leaving Wano, No Cuffs

Responsibility is something that can stop her. You always forget that. And I'm not talking about the beast Pirate, I'm talking about her responsibility because of her knowledge of Oden's dream and Momo's descision.

Oda has established a completely special treatment between her and Momo

indeed.. People here are completely ignoring that relationship.

 

[Animangaboy]

I see a simple desire here, not a dream. In fact, there is not dream of wanting to got out to the sea even during Ace's flashback.Yamato only wants to go to the sea to leave freely. Meaning that her goal is not the sea, it's freedom.

THe thing is : "Dreaming about" and "Wanting" are two very different things in One Piece. One is set in stones, the other is something that can evolve.

Freedom, like I said to you multiple times (but you keep forgetting about it) can be done on sea but ALSO on land. Soo... unless you give me a deeper desire for Yamato wanting to get out to the sea, I will consider that this desire can still evolve.

So... Give me a dream, or keep silent.

Who does Yamato want to be like?
And what did the person she look up to want to do when he was alive?
U guys always think that all of her dream or goal isn't the same thing 😭😭 when it actually is But I guess you don't get it For yamato because she is a counter-attack for that character you want to be push like Yamato 🤭🥴

 

[Logiko]

Who does Yamato want to be like?
And what did the person she look up to want to do when he was alive?
U guys always think that all of her dream or goal isn't the same thing 😭😭 when it actually is But I guess you don't get it For yamato because she is a counter-attack for that character you want to be push like Yamato 🤭🥴

DUde.. I had that argument 1000 times with you. You are like a broken record, always on repeat and you never listen. I'm done with you.

 

[Staticshadic]

Yamato has a past with reason behind why she wants to leave wano. She did not have a life for 2 decades. Now that her abusive father and his forces have been defeat by the strawhats. She has the freedom finally do what she wants and wanting to be better Luffy in the future on his journey. She will get a bounty alongside with the strawhats since she was tremendous help throughout the raid and holding Kaido off until Luffy arrive to the battle for the third round. Later in the story she May help momo understand why his father wanted to open boarders to wano once she is done with her journey.

Momo and Yamato can carry on oden will in different direction. Yamato being adventure as oden was. Momo learning how to be ruler.

Yamato joining the crew also related to what roger said in the past about there will be someone who surpass them.
(1) Roger Talk about Someone will surpass them🔥 - YouTube
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Carrot on other hand does not have reason behind why she wants to travel with strawhats. With cat viper, Kinemon, and Dogstorm solving carrot past trauma with personal enemies and being push to the background in this arc. Plus, there no new story revelation from a character. By that logic there is no incentive for her to continue her journey with them. Her going back zou would be the best option going forward she is not ready to handle big threats that are in new world. She might come back towards final war be much stronger than she is now. We might end up seeing miss adventure of carrot in cover page stories

 

[Animangaboy]

Responsibility is something that can stop her. You always forget that. And I'm not talking about the beast Pirate, I'm talking about her responsibility because of her knowledge of Oden's dream and Momo's descision.

She already gives Momo(Oden's son) his journal so what does momo do from now isn't up to her she only admire oden because of how free he was and his adventures nothing else 😭😭😭

 

[Uncle Van]

I only see it possible for Yamato to join the pack if Momo goes along with her.

All these earlier chapters proved that she is the retaining guardian of the Shogun and Oda has established a completely special treatment between her and Momo

A big problem with this is that Yamato still declared she's leaving with Luffy after meeting Momo. Her entire flashback and ongoing crisis was about her wanting to leave but was kept prisoner. Something big would have to happen to have Yamato turn a complete 180.

 

[Animangaboy]

DUde.. I had that argument 1000 times with you. You are like a broken record, always on repeat and you never listen. I'm done with you.

Yeah because you are such a freaking loser trying to make Yamato be something that she isn't 😭😭

 

[Chaves]

A big problem with this is that Yamato still declared she's leaving with Luffy after meeting Momo. Her entire flashback and ongoing crisis was about her wanting to leave but was kept prisoner. Something big would have to happen to have Yamato turn a complete 180.

And what's the point of all the depth between Yamato and Momo's relationship? And all her representation and actions as the shogun's guardian?

 

[Animangaboy]

I only see it possible for Yamato to join the pack if Momo goes along with her.

All these earlier chapters proved that she is the retaining guardian of the Shogun and Oda has established a completely special treatment between her and Momo

Stop cause the entire of Yamato character is she wants to leave Wano not being Something for momo when in this chapter we all see who is important to momo when he was in the capital

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yamato said she wants to leave with Luffy, been waiting the last 4 years especially for him after meeting Ace of all people, she connected to both brothers, not something just anybody can say.

Meanwhile, you have a rando mink, the end.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Even so but you were telling us that Yamato is going to be one of momo's most important retainers but look what this chapter going against that shit theory you have 🤔😭

Tbf it wasn't just him.

 

[Animangaboy]

And what's the point of all the depth between Yamato and Momo's relationship? And all her representation and actions as the shogun's guardian?

Luffy was the one that tell Yamato to protect Momo her goal was to fight Kaido but Luffy told her to protect him and help him with the Island

 

[Logiko]

Yamato has a past with reason behind why she wants to leave wano.

Yes.. Freedom. And that's to leave ONIGASHIMA, not Wano.

Momo and Yamato can carry oden will different direction. Yamato being adventure as oden was. Momo learning how to be ruler.

It could be cool indeed, if that were to happen

Carrot on other hand does not have reason behind why she wants to travel with strawhats.

On the difference, that a reason was actually setup/hinted at for Carrot : the dawn for the mink.

Dogstorm solving carrot past trauma

Nothing was saved, you are completely missreading her character arc.

1. Carrot's past trauma will not heal. Pedro is dead, he won't come back to life.
2. The point of Carrot's defeat is not about Perospero, it's about her appreciation of the danger in front of adventure.
3. Perospero being killed/K-o don't help Carrot, it only reenforce the fact that she couldn't do anything in front of adversity.
4. You are making the k-o about Nekomamushi and Perospero, when the storyline is about Carrot.

Plus, there no new story revelation from a character

Wait for it, you are gonna be amazed

Her going back zou would best option going forward

Wrong. It goes against her development inertia: being a girl who love adventure.

She might come back towards final war be much stronger than she is now. We might end up seeing miss adventure of carrot cover page stories

Possible, yet unlikely.

Yamato still declared she's leaving with Luffy after meeting Momo

Indeed, but that happened before Momo told her about closing the border, check her reaction just after that.

She already gives Momo(Oden's son) his journal so what does momo do from now isn't up to her she only admire oden because of how free he was and his adventures nothing else 😭😭😭

If she only admires, she has no reason to do just like him.

Stop being a dickriding

you are such a freaking loser

Actually Start by being respectfull mate.

 

[Uncle Van]

And what's the point of all the depth between Yamato and Momo's relationship? And all her representation and actions as the shogun's guardian?

Thematic story telling. Pudding and Rebecca didn't join despite all of their interactions with Sanji and Luffy did they?

And there's not really that much depth to their relationship. For 20 years she thought Momo was dead, and for years was waiting for Luffy. For 20 years she had insight to the importance of Wano, knew how important Momo would have been, but still wanted to dip.

When she meet Momo, she said she would die for him as it's imperative that he lives, and wanted to get Momo to safety so that she can go help Luffy. Her best interaction with Momo is her encourage him to summon clouds, and it was all for the sake of assisting Luffy.

Despite all that, I see no reason for a major part of her story arc to be contradicted and have no conclusion at this time.

 

[Logiko]

And there's not really that much depth to their relationship.

Actually there is. The whole arc is about the parent-child relationship. Momo and Yamato's relationship is just that. Like you said, it's thematic storytelling, or more precisely : the Milking technique.

Remember that Yamato is supposed to be Oden.