Character Discussion Has Oda treated Zoro good enough in Wano
- Thread starter Albino 👑
- Start date
Its because Oda relies on hype to drive the story. Instead of just having King do something, he has him do nothing for 99% of the story so that fans are excited for him to do literally anything. Then Oda can deliver the bare minimum and fans will cheer, because he's given them so little to begin with.
I don't know if I'm the weird one or if you're the ones who don't read beyond the obvious.
Of course Zoro was the leader of the samurai. It is assumed that there would be no Sanurai at Oden's height capable of leaving a scar on Kaido. But Zoro did it, he left the samurai pavilion high.
Of course he wasn't his boss as such, but Zoro just like Luffy doesn't want to be a leader. What I don't understand is why you expected such a thing.
Fake. We have seen Zoro get angry both when food wasted, due to Tama, and when Kiku lost an arm. What else do you want?
Precisely that Zoro has hurt him, by itself is already an acknowledgment. The problem is that you don't know how to read between the lines.
Kaido says: "No Samurai could hurt me, there will never be a Samurai equal to Oden"
But Zoro managed to hurt him, then we can assume that Zoro is at the same height as Oden for Kaido.
Enma is a good Power Up.
Not only has it allowed Zoro to magically increase his power, such as the Raid Suit or the awakening of fruits, but it has also pushed Zoro to break his limits and improve as a swordsman and unlock CoC.
We have even seen Enma put Zoro in trouble and it has also served to link with Zoro's past and learn more about the swords.
Again, what more do you want?
Oda himself made it clear that he had little intention of talking about Zoro's parents. Expecting otherwise is your paranoia.
We already know what a Shimotsuki is. We don't have to know more.
Precisely the theme of the cursed swords makes it clear that not everyone can be a good swordsman.
What about?
Of course Zoro was the leader of the samurai. It is assumed that there would be no Sanurai at Oden's height capable of leaving a scar on Kaido. But Zoro did it, he left the samurai pavilion high.
Of course he wasn't his boss as such, but Zoro just like Luffy doesn't want to be a leader. What I don't understand is why you expected such a thing.
Fake. We have seen Zoro get angry both when food wasted, due to Tama, and when Kiku lost an arm. What else do you want?
Precisely that Zoro has hurt him, by itself is already an acknowledgment. The problem is that you don't know how to read between the lines.
Kaido says: "No Samurai could hurt me, there will never be a Samurai equal to Oden"
But Zoro managed to hurt him, then we can assume that Zoro is at the same height as Oden for Kaido.
Enma is a good Power Up.
Not only has it allowed Zoro to magically increase his power, such as the Raid Suit or the awakening of fruits, but it has also pushed Zoro to break his limits and improve as a swordsman and unlock CoC.
We have even seen Enma put Zoro in trouble and it has also served to link with Zoro's past and learn more about the swords.
Again, what more do you want?
Oda himself made it clear that he had little intention of talking about Zoro's parents. Expecting otherwise is your paranoia.
We already know what a Shimotsuki is. We don't have to know more.
Precisely the theme of the cursed swords makes it clear that not everyone can be a good swordsman.
What about?
Where have you been this whole time??!
Absolutely not. And here are just my notes on the matter. It's not everything that's wrong with Zoro, but these are things that I've noticed myself. What follows are my observations that I copied from my comment in another thread:
"Zoro was set up to make a name for himself in Wano. Zoro said that he'd gather the Samurai, only to be known to the Wano citizens as some common criminal that murdered some civilian and a magistrate.
Oda has created a relationship between Zoro, Toko, and Yasuie that had no pleasant resolution. It led to nowhere.
Oda kept pointy out resemblaces between Zoro and Ryuma, yet it was all for nothing as Zoro has done absolutely nothing to be compared to Ryuma's name beyond his psyhique inspite of all the buildup between the two. Zoro has done nothing to make himself be compared to Ryuma by the Wano people whereas Luffy has.
Zoro during the bridge fight with Gyukimaru noted something about Black Blades. What did Zoro figure about Black Blades? Who the hell knows because Oda never went further with that plot point.
Zoro shown extreme moments of anger for harm coming onto those such as Yasuie and Kiku, which is very uncharacteristic for Zoro, and those aggressors were Orochi and Kaido. Yet Zoro has done little to Kaido, a scar that no one puts special attention to soon after it happened, just a booboo, and he has done absolutely nothing to Orochi. He has done little to avenge Kiku and the Scabbards, and absolutely nothing to Orochi, who he hasn't even seen in the war.
And who was his final fight? Oh it was King who somehow has less plot relevance than even Queen for he has done absolutely nothing of note until the war begun. He barely has any lore behind him other than his race, which was just an excuse to give Zoro something to do. His most notable attribute is spouting off about Kaido, and yet Kaido didn't give King any praise despite their flashbacks falsely making them seem close.
Although the land of Wano is known as the land of samurai, who are swordsmen, Mihawk has never been noted to even set foot here desoite Mihawk claiming that he tried to find challengers, which makes him either a lier, or a fool, and discredits the "World's Stongest Swordsman" title. Speaking of which Oda has done little for Zoro dream as there is no structure to it, and the only ones that care about it are Zoro and Mihawk. No one else even cares about Black Blades other than those two. How will Zoro's name reach the heavens if only Mihawk is closely listening to Zoro's aspirations? Zoro doesn't even have any competitors towards this goal, making it irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Oda has made Zoro into no more than a meat head who gawks at Luffy's prescence. Zoro became a caracature of his former, Pre-TS self. Oda had many opportunities to explore Zoro's character beyond being Luffy's subordinate, but instead of taking the steps to do so, Oda instead stagnated, or arguable deteriorated his character, and his goal of becoming the WSS. Instead he will primarily be known as Luffy's #1 cheerleader."
"Zoro was set up to make a name for himself in Wano. Zoro said that he'd gather the Samurai, only to be known to the Wano citizens as some common criminal that murdered some civilian and a magistrate.
Oda has created a relationship between Zoro, Toko, and Yasuie that had no pleasant resolution. It led to nowhere.
Oda kept pointy out resemblaces between Zoro and Ryuma, yet it was all for nothing as Zoro has done absolutely nothing to be compared to Ryuma's name beyond his psyhique inspite of all the buildup between the two. Zoro has done nothing to make himself be compared to Ryuma by the Wano people whereas Luffy has.
Zoro during the bridge fight with Gyukimaru noted something about Black Blades. What did Zoro figure about Black Blades? Who the hell knows because Oda never went further with that plot point.
Zoro shown extreme moments of anger for harm coming onto those such as Yasuie and Kiku, which is very uncharacteristic for Zoro, and those aggressors were Orochi and Kaido. Yet Zoro has done little to Kaido, a scar that no one puts special attention to soon after it happened, just a booboo, and he has done absolutely nothing to Orochi. He has done little to avenge Kiku and the Scabbards, and absolutely nothing to Orochi, who he hasn't even seen in the war.
And who was his final fight? Oh it was King who somehow has less plot relevance than even Queen for he has done absolutely nothing of note until the war begun. He barely has any lore behind him other than his race, which was just an excuse to give Zoro something to do. His most notable attribute is spouting off about Kaido, and yet Kaido didn't give King any praise despite their flashbacks falsely making them seem close.
Although the land of Wano is known as the land of samurai, who are swordsmen, Mihawk has never been noted to even set foot here desoite Mihawk claiming that he tried to find challengers, which makes him either a lier, or a fool, and discredits the "World's Stongest Swordsman" title. Speaking of which Oda has done little for Zoro dream as there is no structure to it, and the only ones that care about it are Zoro and Mihawk. No one else even cares about Black Blades other than those two. How will Zoro's name reach the heavens if only Mihawk is closely listening to Zoro's aspirations? Zoro doesn't even have any competitors towards this goal, making it irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Oda has made Zoro into no more than a meat head who gawks at Luffy's prescence. Zoro became a caracature of his former, Pre-TS self. Oda had many opportunities to explore Zoro's character beyond being Luffy's subordinate, but instead of taking the steps to do so, Oda instead stagnated, or arguable deteriorated his character, and his goal of becoming the WSS. Instead he will primarily be known as Luffy's #1 cheerleader."
If nothing comes from them saying such things, whether they follow through with it, had more important things to do in the meantime, or they failed going along with what they said, and therefore will try to ensure that next time their words become reality next time, ect., then they've had no reason to say such things and therefore is a waste of ink and time as it didn't serve a purpose at all.
Last edited:
It's not if you don't just take it literally and consider the context of the situation.
Zoro and Franky saying that back in Zou was basically just them telling Luffy to not worry and leave things to them in their own way, not that it would literally have to happen.
Like when Momo screamed I WANT TO TAKE DOWN KAIDO to express his frustrations and ask for Luffy's help no one was thinking OH SHIT MOMO WILL DEFEAT KAIDO.
But then Zoro expresses his desire to fight him and people take it as Zoro literally having a personal desire to cut Kaido's head off.
Zoro and Franky saying that back in Zou was basically just them telling Luffy to not worry and leave things to them in their own way, not that it would literally have to happen.
Like when Momo screamed I WANT TO TAKE DOWN KAIDO to express his frustrations and ask for Luffy's help no one was thinking OH SHIT MOMO WILL DEFEAT KAIDO.
But then Zoro expresses his desire to fight him and people take it as Zoro literally having a personal desire to cut Kaido's head off.
Depends on how you view this arc in correlation to him. Compare him with WCI Sanji, and nah he wasn't treated as fairly. But then again Oda never stated this was Zoro's arc.
But then why does Sanji get his own arc....and not Zoro ?
Ehhhhh.....either way I'll say it as how most of us viewed. Which was seeing it as his arc. No....Oda did him dirty.
But then why does Sanji get his own arc....and not Zoro ?
Ehhhhh.....either way I'll say it as how most of us viewed. Which was seeing it as his arc. No....Oda did him dirty.