Current Events The dialogue confirms, with 0 ambiguity, that King and Queen tried to fight Ryokugyu. Update: The OFFICIAL dialogue makes it worse.
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Are you telling me that a Yonko needs 3 Yonkos to keep him under control? All these questions that I am asking you, is for you to realize that Admiral = Yonko generates certain problems. I have taken the example of Shiro, but there are actually many.
I paid attention during the war. And you?
- Who did the Admirals fight against? Against Marco and Jozu and they were a good time without problems until they got oversight. If Admirals = Yonko he had to have raped them in a few seconds without any oversight. While in you Green Bull is able to get rid of King and Queen easily.
- Who did Akainu fight against? Against a very, very nerfed WB. Old age is something that could not be avoided, since WB belonged to Roger's generation. But if Akainu already had an advantage over an old WB, why make WB sick? Why make WB impaled before the war started? Why make WB have a heart attack to make things easier to Akainu?
- A WB in the shit, I left Akainu to drag with two attacks. Similar to Big Mom with Queen.
The one who should pay attention is you. I know what Garp said and according to your previous comment, he implied that Yonko = Admirals, which never happened. Now you say Garp implying that Yonko = Marina + Shichibukai, which it did. What we can't know is if 1 Yonko = Marina + Shichibukai or 4 Yonko = Marina + Sichibukai.
But I'll tell you more, if Admiral = Yonko, why did they need the Shichibukai in the first place? And no, they haven't abolished the Shichibukai because they don't need it, but because they are going to replace it with the SSG.
Before we had 5 Admirals, Garp, Sengoku and the 3 Admirals. Now there could be 6, Akainu, the 3 Admirals, Momousagui and Chanton. Why the hell don't they sweep the Yonko if they outnumber them?
I paid attention during the war. And you?
- Who did the Admirals fight against? Against Marco and Jozu and they were a good time without problems until they got oversight. If Admirals = Yonko he had to have raped them in a few seconds without any oversight. While in you Green Bull is able to get rid of King and Queen easily.
- Who did Akainu fight against? Against a very, very nerfed WB. Old age is something that could not be avoided, since WB belonged to Roger's generation. But if Akainu already had an advantage over an old WB, why make WB sick? Why make WB impaled before the war started? Why make WB have a heart attack to make things easier to Akainu?
- A WB in the shit, I left Akainu to drag with two attacks. Similar to Big Mom with Queen.
The one who should pay attention is you. I know what Garp said and according to your previous comment, he implied that Yonko = Admirals, which never happened. Now you say Garp implying that Yonko = Marina + Shichibukai, which it did. What we can't know is if 1 Yonko = Marina + Shichibukai or 4 Yonko = Marina + Sichibukai.
But I'll tell you more, if Admiral = Yonko, why did they need the Shichibukai in the first place? And no, they haven't abolished the Shichibukai because they don't need it, but because they are going to replace it with the SSG.
Before we had 5 Admirals, Garp, Sengoku and the 3 Admirals. Now there could be 6, Akainu, the 3 Admirals, Momousagui and Chanton. Why the hell don't they sweep the Yonko if they outnumber them?
You're saying Marco has only been stalling top tiers but that's at least better than getting completely dominate by one like what greenbull did to them. Not even kizaru (another admiral) could've done that to Marco. Also isn't Marco just part of the medical division or was that just made up? While the 2nd,3rd and 5th are better than divisions when it comes to combat. Thatch was obviously the cook but was also powerful.
Aokiji shouldn't shattered on impact if he was hit with haki. It's not like avoided the attack or anything.
Never said that it wasn't how they fight just that tackling someone is different from freezing someone's arm. One is more lethal than the other while the other is just physical brute force.
From the way one admiral took them out that's not likely the case. Katakuri stands out amongst the other yonko subordinates not including ace who had more potential than the other division squad leaders. Jozu and Marco shown they can hold there own against one admiral until they let they guard down.
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Aokiji shouldn't shattered on impact if he was hit with haki. It's not like avoided the attack or anything.
Never said that it wasn't how they fight just that tackling someone is different from freezing someone's arm. One is more lethal than the other while the other is just physical brute force.
From the way one admiral took them out that's not likely the case. Katakuri stands out amongst the other yonko subordinates not including ace who had more potential than the other division squad leaders. Jozu and Marco shown they can hold there own against one admiral until they let they guard down.
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It's a war and WB could destroy the whole place because of his DF. Akainu obviously won't try to cover the whole place with magma so yes 3 of them were to prevent him from destroying the place. When top tiers fight the environment is also in trouble. They were protecting marineford while simultaneous trying to take them down which was clearly not easy. This wasn't the type of battle where admirals could let loose like they wanted. This does not make Yonko > Admirals.
WB was sick but that's not Akainu fault, they exchange a few blows and that's it. Akainu was not gonna come out a fight with someone who may have been stronger than him unscathed. When people say they are equal we are talking about tier. At the end of the day someone will win and someone will lose. Whitebeard was the worlds strongest man, he would beat Akainu but barely, just like how Luffy barely manage to beat Kaido. Admirals vs yonko will always be extreme diff, it took Akainu 11 days to beat Aokiji.
They need them because the gap between VA and commanders is huge. We all saw how strong Doffy was in comparison to Smoker, the crew of the warlords can balance out the power of the commanders. So if 1 admiral fight 1 yonko the admirals won't need to worry about commanders trying to gang up on them. After this is just fodder army vs fodder army because Kaido gifters were trash, this is why it would take 4 yonko's joining hands against the navy for them to destroy each other.
Again the powers are balance, and the marines control the whole OP world except the areas where the yonko reign. The admirals are the navy greatest strength the same way the yonko is the highest pirates. Anyone who thinks the navy has ABSOLUTELY no one to rival a yonko is a fool. Even Roger had issues with the marines in his day and struggles with Garp smh. Obviously the navy is more powerful than ever because they saw it fit to get rid of the warlords.
WB was sick but that's not Akainu fault, they exchange a few blows and that's it. Akainu was not gonna come out a fight with someone who may have been stronger than him unscathed. When people say they are equal we are talking about tier. At the end of the day someone will win and someone will lose. Whitebeard was the worlds strongest man, he would beat Akainu but barely, just like how Luffy barely manage to beat Kaido. Admirals vs yonko will always be extreme diff, it took Akainu 11 days to beat Aokiji.
They need them because the gap between VA and commanders is huge. We all saw how strong Doffy was in comparison to Smoker, the crew of the warlords can balance out the power of the commanders. So if 1 admiral fight 1 yonko the admirals won't need to worry about commanders trying to gang up on them. After this is just fodder army vs fodder army because Kaido gifters were trash, this is why it would take 4 yonko's joining hands against the navy for them to destroy each other.
Again the powers are balance, and the marines control the whole OP world except the areas where the yonko reign. The admirals are the navy greatest strength the same way the yonko is the highest pirates. Anyone who thinks the navy has ABSOLUTELY no one to rival a yonko is a fool. Even Roger had issues with the marines in his day and struggles with Garp smh. Obviously the navy is more powerful than ever because they saw it fit to get rid of the warlords.
Although the premise you propose sounds good, it ends up being incongruous.
You lack a bit of reading complexion. Of course it's not Akainu's fault that WB is sick.
The point is that if Oda wanted to imply that Admiral = Yonko, he wouldn't have nerfed WB as much. If Akainu had beaten a WB, even if he was old, then we wouldn't have this debate.
Why did Oda weaken Shiro so much?
Again what you say sounds very good, but it is not true.
You're comparing Smoker, who is one of the newest (weakest) Vice Admirals to one of the strongest Shichibukai, it's an unfair comparison.
I agree that the powers should be balanced, but if Admiral = Yonko they are not balanced, not even close.
We have 4 Yonko who are also not together, they do not form a unitary power, against 6 Yonko + the Shichibukai (SSG now) who work together.
The question is why doesn't the Navy send 3 Admirals and a few Vice Admirals to take down the Yonko one by one?
For example, let's take the case of Big Mom.
Sends 3 Admirals (Yonko), one to face Big Mom, another to take care of the Commanders, if Green Bull defeated 2 Commanders easily, without receiving a scratch, I doubt he can't with 3 suffering a little and finally the 3 Admiral with the Vice Admirals who finish off the fodder.
It's easy win according to you, the Admiral who takes care of the fodder should take a few minutes, then he can help with the Commanders and finish them off too quickly and then the 3 Admirals (Yonko) take care of Big Mom easy. Also, in this case we don't have to worry about damage since it is Big Mom's territory and if something unforeseen happens (that a Yonko decides to go crazy), we have another 3 Admirals (Yonko) and the Shichibukai (SSG) + a heap of reserve fodder.
When you finish with Mom, you give them two weeks of vacation and you go for Kuro, then for Shanks and finally for Kaido, who besides being the strongest, is more complicated to reach his territory, but you can already send the 5 Admirals and simple task.
You put it as you put it doesn't fit.
- That you need 3 Yonko, to control 1, is not normal. To control a Yonko you need 1 Yonko.
- Aokiji and Akainu precisely filled everything with ice and fire Lol
You lack a bit of reading complexion. Of course it's not Akainu's fault that WB is sick.
The point is that if Oda wanted to imply that Admiral = Yonko, he wouldn't have nerfed WB as much. If Akainu had beaten a WB, even if he was old, then we wouldn't have this debate.
Why did Oda weaken Shiro so much?
Again what you say sounds very good, but it is not true.
You're comparing Smoker, who is one of the newest (weakest) Vice Admirals to one of the strongest Shichibukai, it's an unfair comparison.
- I remind you that Garp was a Vice Admiral and was probably the strongest marine.
- Right now, we have Momousagui and Chanton who despite being Vice Admirals have a poser close to Admirals.
- And then there are the Top Vice Admirals like Momonga, Onigumo, Strawberry, Doverman...
I agree that the powers should be balanced, but if Admiral = Yonko they are not balanced, not even close.
We have 4 Yonko who are also not together, they do not form a unitary power, against 6 Yonko + the Shichibukai (SSG now) who work together.
The question is why doesn't the Navy send 3 Admirals and a few Vice Admirals to take down the Yonko one by one?
For example, let's take the case of Big Mom.
Sends 3 Admirals (Yonko), one to face Big Mom, another to take care of the Commanders, if Green Bull defeated 2 Commanders easily, without receiving a scratch, I doubt he can't with 3 suffering a little and finally the 3 Admiral with the Vice Admirals who finish off the fodder.
It's easy win according to you, the Admiral who takes care of the fodder should take a few minutes, then he can help with the Commanders and finish them off too quickly and then the 3 Admirals (Yonko) take care of Big Mom easy. Also, in this case we don't have to worry about damage since it is Big Mom's territory and if something unforeseen happens (that a Yonko decides to go crazy), we have another 3 Admirals (Yonko) and the Shichibukai (SSG) + a heap of reserve fodder.
When you finish with Mom, you give them two weeks of vacation and you go for Kuro, then for Shanks and finally for Kaido, who besides being the strongest, is more complicated to reach his territory, but you can already send the 5 Admirals and simple task.
You put it as you put it doesn't fit.
Great points. The admiral fans just don't use basic logic: if the marines/admirals were that strong as admiral fans say the admirals are, then the marines would have already conquered the yonkous. the marines have not, therefore the marines/admirals are either too weak, too dumb, and/or too disorganized to conquer the yonkous. The present-gen marines keep piling up failure after failure.
No you just want to ignore it. If Akainu wanted to flood the area with magma can WB stop him? HELL NO
If Akainu cannot be stop by 1 man what makes you think he alone can stop WB from destroying the area. Wrecking a place or building does mean he beats an admiral but they were needed to stop him because they knew WB can cause earthquakes and seaquakes which is why Aokiji was there incase he tried to flood the area and lo and behold that's exactly what WB attempted to do. Again this wasn't a simple war.
He nerfed WB because he wanted to kill him, so that Teach would be able to steal his fruit. Everything around WB was literally plot driven, you think Oda wanted to showcase Akainu capabilities? Nah. Otherwise WB would just lose Ace but he would have gotten away (bad for plot). That war was hugely influenced by plot but nice try.
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If he the weakest VA that proves my point, VA's are not all on the same level and something had to compensate for the lack of strength. I don't know all their strengths but if Garp said they were apart of the balance of power then it was the truth and that's it. Obviously there will be a few powerful VA's who are next in line to be Admirals but those will be few.
They must be equal otherwise the marines would attack them.
Listen if 1 yonko could easily beat an admiral you have a problem story wise.
You seriously asking this?
That would leave their base defenseless and the precious CD they wanna protect defenseless as well.
Luffy had to go through an army to get to Kaido. Admirals can't just attack a yonko territory with no army behind them smh.
Facepalm.
Keep thinking that Yonko > Admirals, even if you eventually get the truth through the manga you will just be salty at Oda. I already said this before, this is a pirate manga, so they got shit ton of hype. However the Navy are ultimately the most powerful force in this series. People like you will soon learn that the admirals are not weak when you do, blame your own ignorance.
If Akainu cannot be stop by 1 man what makes you think he alone can stop WB from destroying the area. Wrecking a place or building does mean he beats an admiral but they were needed to stop him because they knew WB can cause earthquakes and seaquakes which is why Aokiji was there incase he tried to flood the area and lo and behold that's exactly what WB attempted to do. Again this wasn't a simple war.
He nerfed WB because he wanted to kill him, so that Teach would be able to steal his fruit. Everything around WB was literally plot driven, you think Oda wanted to showcase Akainu capabilities? Nah. Otherwise WB would just lose Ace but he would have gotten away (bad for plot). That war was hugely influenced by plot but nice try.
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If he the weakest VA that proves my point, VA's are not all on the same level and something had to compensate for the lack of strength. I don't know all their strengths but if Garp said they were apart of the balance of power then it was the truth and that's it. Obviously there will be a few powerful VA's who are next in line to be Admirals but those will be few.
They must be equal otherwise the marines would attack them.
Listen if 1 yonko could easily beat an admiral you have a problem story wise.
You seriously asking this?
That would leave their base defenseless and the precious CD they wanna protect defenseless as well.
Luffy had to go through an army to get to Kaido. Admirals can't just attack a yonko territory with no army behind them smh.
Facepalm.
Keep thinking that Yonko > Admirals, even if you eventually get the truth through the manga you will just be salty at Oda. I already said this before, this is a pirate manga, so they got shit ton of hype. However the Navy are ultimately the most powerful force in this series. People like you will soon learn that the admirals are not weak when you do, blame your own ignorance.
@ShishioIsBack read the OP, King and Queen definitely tried to fight Ryokugyu and got negged
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