General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Jew D. Boy]

“Wait for the official release” are the five scariest words to people like Penis, C4N, and that pervert bitch, they have to watch their Friday afternoon theories die on the vine every Sunday morning

 

[ARMeni]

Call it wishful thinking if you want, but even though Wano's been badly paced the writing hasn't been so bad that I'd expect him to drop the ball on a new Strawhat this hard. I understand that he's not perfect, but I have at least some faith in Oda as a writer

Oh I'm definitely gonna love to see your posts when the inevitable comes.

 

[Peenix]

It's early Viz and they have a new and better translator who also called it the '2nd.' It's the literal translation from the Japanese version.

Well yeah I know that the quality of the translation went up after Stephen took over, but I didn't hear anything about him retranslating the old volumes. You got a source on that cause I wasn't able to find anything online?

It famously is not, I’ve been reading this series for 20 years and have NEVER met anyone who thinks the hasty fanslation every week holds more weight than what Viz puts out, save for those making disingenuous arguments like you

Bro you realize that I'm supporting your point here? Viz is the one that translated it as "The Other Villain." I'm just pointing out that they had some fuck-ups, especially early on
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Oh I'm definitely gonna love to see your posts when the inevitable comes.

Oh yeah if Yamato joins I'm absolutely gonna make a bunch of posts about how she's a shitty character
I don't even care about being right or wrong, but she's just not a good character

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Well yeah I know that the quality of the translation went up after Stephen took over, but I didn't hear anything about him retranslating the old volumes. You got a source on that cause I wasn't able to find anything online?


Bro you realize that I'm supporting your point here? Viz is the one that translated it as "The Other Villain." I'm just pointing out that they had some fuck-ups, especially early on

As long as your fundamental argument is “Luffy counts himself as his own crew mate,” you are not supporting my point even if you say you are. A few differences in translation here and there simply do not negate basic math and reading comprehension, your interpretation is objectively false and posting a couple of chapter titles like they’re sacrosanct just makes you look like - and stop me if you’ve heard this before - a fucking moron

 

[Lhulu]

It doesn't really matter if Luffy included himself or not.

Oda retconned the fucking Gomu Gomu no Mi but somehow Luffy saying he wants 10 nakama hundreds of chapters ago can't get the same treatment lmao

 

[Jew D. Boy]

It doesn't really matter if Luffy included himself or not.

Oda retconned the fucking Gomu Gomu no Mi but somehow Luffy saying he wants 10 nakama hundreds of chapters ago can't get the same treatment lmao

Careful, my friend, this is the same thread where concept art matters more than what’s actually happening in published panels and “subverted expectations” become the basis for any wild, unreasonable crackpot theories to flourish

 

[Ballel]

How did this thread go from subversive dialogue to subversive affirmation to Luffy counting himself as his own crewmember?

 

[Peenix]

It doesn't really matter if Luffy included himself or not.

Oda retconned the fucking Gomu Gomu no Mi but somehow Luffy saying he wants 10 nakama hundreds of chapters ago can't get the same treatment lmao

I think the Nika twist might've been planned. The way the word "Nika" is written fits in with the number puns for the Devil Fruits of the rest of the crew

 

[Ballel]

I think the Nika twist might've been planned. The way the word "Nika" is written fits in with the number puns for the Devil Fruits of the rest of the crew

Idk about this but Buggy becoming Yonko was definitely planned.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

How did this thread go from subversive dialogue to subversive affirmation to Luffy counting himself as his own crewmember?

Out with old in with the new

 

[Ballel]

Out with old in with the new

this thread is becoming dumber and dumber

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

this thread is becoming dumber and dumber

Its reached it's peak

At least someone other than C4N is catching heat, that's refreshing.

 

[Ballel]

Yamato was imprisoned and abused by Kaido for 20 years. Luffy knows this as he saw the exploding handcuffs. But he didn't give her a mention in the climax of the battle
If Yamato's supposed to be the next Strawhat, then Luffy not giving her a mention here is pretty weird

Yamato is strong af she doesn't need Luffy's protection. He fights for those who need his help.

 

[ARMeni]

UNLEASH C4N AND LET THE FURRY AND THE PENIS HAVE THEIR LEGENDARY CRINGE SHOWDOWN

 

[Peenix]

My issue with Yamato’s character is that she’s defined entirely by her relations to other, more important characters rather than by anything about her specifically. She’s defined by her idolization with Oden, the fact that she’s Kaido’s child, her friendship with Ace, etc instead of anything about her specifically. We’re never given a chance to really empathize with her struggle for freedom, because that struggle for freedom is incredibly underdeveloped. And it’s not like she does much either. Overall she had about the same amount of importance that Carrot had in WCI. Her fans typically point to her fight with Kaido as a rebuttal, except that getting one chapter of focus and then spending the rest of the arc running around is exactly the same thing that happened with Carrot. Except Carrot actually had something going for her with her relation to Pedro and unique design. Practically every aspect of Yamato’s character was done better with other Strawhats. Her relationship with Kaido was done better wit Sanji and Judge. Her personality is a less interesting version of Luffy’s. Her zoan is less interesting than Chopper’s (at least back when he actually used the rumble ball). Her ice power is already being used by Brook. Her design is super similar to Nami’s. The only unique thing there is to Yamato is her Oden larp, and even that’s as shallow as it is unfunny. We get glimpses that there might be something more to Yamato, but they’re just that:glimpses.

And all of this would be fine if she’s just a minor character, but if she’s meant to join the crew then she would permanently decrease the quality of the series

People may say I’m being too harsh, but I don’t see what there is to like about Yamato. I could understand if you just liked her for her tits (and even then she isn’t much by OP standards) or if you just cared about fighting and nothing else. But I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone would actually like her for her character, cause she barely has a character to like
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Yamato is strong af she doesn't need Luffy's protection. He fights for those who need his help.

She literally said she needed his help to beat Kaido. Kinemon’s strong too, but he’s actually a good character too so he got a mention

 

[Jew D. Boy]

My issue with Yamato’s character is that she’s defined entirely by her relations to other, more important characters rather than by anything about her specifically. She’s defined by her idolization with Oden, the fact that she’s Kaido’s child, her friendship with Ace, etc instead of anything about her specifically. We’re never given a chance to really empathize with her struggle for freedom, because that struggle for freedom is incredibly underdeveloped. And it’s not like she does much either. Overall she had about the same amount of importance that Carrot had in WCI. Her fans typically point to her fight with Kaido as a rebuttal, except that getting one chapter of focus and then spending the rest of the arc running around is exactly the same thing that happened with Carrot. Except Carrot actually had something going for her with her relation to Pedro and unique design. Practically every aspect of Yamato’s character was done better with other Strawhats. Her relationship with Kaido was done better wit Sanji and Judge. Her personality is a less interesting version of Luffy’s. Her zoan is less interesting than Chopper’s (at least back when he actually used the rumble ball). Her ice power is already being used by Brook. Her design is super similar to Nami’s. The only unique thing there is to Yamato is her Oden larp, and even that’s as shallow as it is unfunny. We get glimpses that there might be something more to Yamato, but they’re just that:glimpses.

And all of this would be fine if she’s just a minor character, but if she’s meant to join the crew then she would permanently decrease the quality of the series

People may say I’m being too harsh, but I don’t see what there is to like about Yamato. I could understand if you just liked her for her tits (and even then she isn’t much by OP standards) or if you just cared about fighting and nothing else. But I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone would actually like her for her character, cause she barely has a character to like
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She literally said she needed his help to beat Kaido. Kinemon’s strong too, but he’s actually a good character too so he got a mention

Yeah, well, YOU don’t understand basic math, so we could fill a hundred volumes with the shit you can’t comprehend, that isn’t really meaningful to the rest of us

 

[Monkey D Al]

He said he wanted a crew of ten. Which is ambiguous enough to be interpreted either way

He said at least ten and not ten. Also it depends on the translation. I know there are 2 or different translations in English and they vary. But I know that in the original Japanese he says Nakama which does not include him. As he is not a Nakama, he is himself.
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Yamato was imprisoned and abused by Kaido for 20 years. Luffy knows this as he saw the exploding handcuffs. But he didn't give her a mention in the climax of the battle
If Yamato's supposed to be the next Strawhat, then Luffy not giving her a mention here is pretty weird

I explained this already. Luffy didn’t need to mention Yamato as he was not fighting for her. Yamato can fight her own battles.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

“Luffy didn’t mention someone he met 30 minutes prior when talking about people he knew far better, there’s no way he’ll EVER warm up to her with more time or come to appreciate her involvement in helping him defeat her own father! If someone isn’t immediately your friend, they NEVER will be!!”
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Also, at the time Luffy mentioned those four…

Momo - gathering the courage to stop Onigashima from falling, not right in front of Luffy
Tama - down below in the dome unbeknownst to half of the alliance, not right in front of Luffy
Kin - half dead several floors away, not right in front of Luffy
Pedro - dead (?) several ISLANDS away, not right in front of Luffy

Where was Yamato?? RIGHT IN FRONT OF LUFFY, actively fighting her father with the guy…tell me why he NEEDS to mention someone who is standing right beside him, doing the exact same thing he is

 

[Peenix]

Yeah, well, YOU don’t understand basic math, so we could fill a hundred volumes with the shit you can’t comprehend, that isn’t really meaningful to the rest of us

You have no rebuttal to what I’m saying about Yamato because she’s a shit character

He said at least ten and not ten. Also it depends on the translation. I know there are 2 or different translations in English and they vary. But I know that in the original Japanese he says Nakama which does not include him. As he is not a Nakama, he is himself.
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I explained this already. Luffy didn’t need to mention Yamato as he was not fighting for her. Yamato can fight her own battles.

By her own admission she was not strong enough to fight this battle. Kinemon was also strong, but Luffy’s actually friends with him

“Luffy didn’t mention someone he met 30 minutes prior when talking about people he knew far better, there’s no way he’ll EVER warm up to her with more time or come to appreciate her involvement in helping him defeat her own father! If someone isn’t immediately your friend, they NEVER will be!!”

Luffy immediately became friends with Rebecca and you’re saying Oda couldn’t have him do the same with his future crewmate?

Also, at the time Luffy mentioned those four…

Momo - gathering the courage to stop Onigashima from falling, not right in front of Luffy
Tama - down below in the dome unbeknownst to half of the alliance, not right in front of Luffy
Kin - half dead several floors away, not right in front of Luffy
Pedro - dead (?) several ISLANDS away, not right in front of Luffy

Where was Yamato?? RIGHT IN FRONT OF LUFFY, actively fighting her father with the guy…tell me why he NEEDS to mention someone who is standing right beside him, doing the exact same thing he is

Dude what? Momo was standing right next to Yamato. They were drawn right beside each other in the same panel on the page where Luffy said this

And how was Yamato “actively fighting” Kaido? She was a literal spectator. Even Momo was doing more considering he held up Onigashima

 

[Jew D. Boy]

You have no rebuttal to what I’m saying about Yamato because she’s a shit character

By her own admission she was not strong enough to fight this battle. Kinemon was also strong, but Luffy’s actually friends with him



Luffy immediately became friends with Rebecca and you’re saying Oda couldn’t have him do the same with his future crewmate?




Dude what? Momo was standing right next to Yamato. They were drawn right beside each other in the same panel on the page where Luffy said this

And how was Yamato “actively fighting” Kaido? She was a literal spectator. Even Momo was doing more considering he held up Onigashima

“Yamato’s a shit character” is not a fact so much as an opinion, albeit a fairly popular one among a very specific type of person; Momo was in the air for the majority of the battle trying to generate flame clouds, but even if he was there for it, mentioning the leader of the alliance and the whole fucking reason anyone is there to fight Kaido isn’t half as bizarre or damning as you wanna believe; Yamato fought against Kaido for longer than anyone who wasn’t Luffy, and every single other character didn’t even show up, did she have to beat her father single-handedly for you to like her?? Because holy shit, if that’s your bar to clear, literally everyone else in the series is just as useless as you.