I don't see how its absurd to think that Bege in on the same or greater level of Page One considering his wide range of abilities including Big Father(seriously, WTF is Page One going to do against something that could last longer against Big Mum than a calamity). Ancient zoans are tough, not invincible(in fact far from it), I see no reason to believe that canons wouldn't at least have some effect on Page One, especially if they were close range, nor do have reason to believe that someone like Page One would be able to halt Big Father in its tracks, or penetrate its defences, and even if he did manage to enter Big Father, he would still be completely screwed when you consider that Bege has complete control of what goes on inside of Big Father and is literally the last place you want to be fighting him. Also worth mentioning the fact that Bege's tiny pea shooter pistol was still powerful enough to send someone like Oven flying as far as when Sanji kicked him.
Oven hit Sulong Pekoms. That didn't take him out. It gave the giant army surrounding him the opportunity to subdue him. What Oven did to Pekoms in terms of damage is roughly the equivalent of what someone like Sanji did to Oven or Ichiji did to Peros, they hit them hard, and it hurt, but were still able to do stuff afterwards. It would be the equivalent of me saying that Yuen took out Sanji.(its just in Pekoms case he got surrounded by an army, one that would have taken out someone like Sanji just as easily, and almost did). Pekoms is not Katakuri level at all, but his not a slouch, he just never really got an opportunity to fight someone noteworthy. The situations that he was placed in would have done in characters like Sanji as well(IE, getting riddled with Bullets from behind by Bege, or getting surrounded by an army which almost did do in Sanji).
Yeah, Sanji is one of the strawhats main fighters, and that has been reflected in the things his done this arc, but even going by that metric, Zoro has still done far more, in terms of plot lines and actual panel time, Zoro has had a far greater focus than Sanji this arc, and generally greater focus has been placed upon everything Zoro has been doing. I don't see how Sanji has done anything that measures up to Zoro this arc in terms of focus and relevance(he did fight Page One, but the conclusion to that fight was pretty much off panelled), with the majority of Zoro's major conflicts having shown resolutions.
Sanji is a strong guy. He doesn't need to beat top commanders in order to still be considered an extremely strong fighter. His still going to be top brass, but again, like in WCI, where he did a lot of impressive things, his shine is going to spread between loads of other extremely capable guys.
Never said Jack was weak, I'm saying Jack is in the same league as guys like Cracker and Katakuri, and that its ridiculous to think that Sanji currently has anything matching up to that, when you consider that both Cracker and Katakuri decimated Luffy with and without gear 4th(as well as Katakuri annihilating Ichiji with no difficulty), and also, that the dukes, who were matching up to Jack, would be weaker than Sanji currently even though Sanji has never shown anything to suggest he'd be capable of matching up to the commanders we've seen thus far.
Again, Sanji IS up there. But his up there with a lot of other characters, several of whom are more capable than he is, and several of whom have had their relevance to this arc highlighted more than his(such as Zoro).
Oven hit Sulong Pekoms. That didn't take him out. It gave the giant army surrounding him the opportunity to subdue him. What Oven did to Pekoms in terms of damage is roughly the equivalent of what someone like Sanji did to Oven or Ichiji did to Peros, they hit them hard, and it hurt, but were still able to do stuff afterwards. It would be the equivalent of me saying that Yuen took out Sanji.(its just in Pekoms case he got surrounded by an army, one that would have taken out someone like Sanji just as easily, and almost did). Pekoms is not Katakuri level at all, but his not a slouch, he just never really got an opportunity to fight someone noteworthy. The situations that he was placed in would have done in characters like Sanji as well(IE, getting riddled with Bullets from behind by Bege, or getting surrounded by an army which almost did do in Sanji).
Yeah, Sanji is one of the strawhats main fighters, and that has been reflected in the things his done this arc, but even going by that metric, Zoro has still done far more, in terms of plot lines and actual panel time, Zoro has had a far greater focus than Sanji this arc, and generally greater focus has been placed upon everything Zoro has been doing. I don't see how Sanji has done anything that measures up to Zoro this arc in terms of focus and relevance(he did fight Page One, but the conclusion to that fight was pretty much off panelled), with the majority of Zoro's major conflicts having shown resolutions.
Sanji is a strong guy. He doesn't need to beat top commanders in order to still be considered an extremely strong fighter. His still going to be top brass, but again, like in WCI, where he did a lot of impressive things, his shine is going to spread between loads of other extremely capable guys.
Never said Jack was weak, I'm saying Jack is in the same league as guys like Cracker and Katakuri, and that its ridiculous to think that Sanji currently has anything matching up to that, when you consider that both Cracker and Katakuri decimated Luffy with and without gear 4th(as well as Katakuri annihilating Ichiji with no difficulty), and also, that the dukes, who were matching up to Jack, would be weaker than Sanji currently even though Sanji has never shown anything to suggest he'd be capable of matching up to the commanders we've seen thus far.
Again, Sanji IS up there. But his up there with a lot of other characters, several of whom are more capable than he is, and several of whom have had their relevance to this arc highlighted more than his(such as Zoro).
