Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1055 Spoilers Discussion

[comrade]

@Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @comrade do you think it is possible that Shanks saved Marco and remnants of Whitebeards after they lost to Blackbeard?

Blackbeard letting go top tier fruits like Marco and Jozu still doesn't make sense until now.
Probably Shanks came and scare the Blackbeards with his CoC like he did in this chapter.

At this point, nothing regarding Shanks is far fetched.

 

[uyuu]

And yet Shanks still used his sword in his boat. Haki has its own thing yes, but for shanks mihawk zoro they all infuse their hakis with their swords. Swords are part of their fighting style.
They are swordsmen first that's why it's just logic to place all swordsmen below the strongest.

Why you don't take Kaido as example ? He is the WSC, and we placed automatically all livings things below him right ?

Looks like to me you just don't want to place shanks below mihawk because of your personal takes.

"Living being" is much wider than a swordsman. No matter the weapon or skills, creature is a creature. But swordsmanship is specifically skill-based or weapon-based. In real-life, a weaker swordsman can win against WSS in a fight, when the weaker swordsman is a better gunslinger or a better bomber than WSS.

It's just different category.

For the detailed response, can you read this instead? I have this stance since the start of Shanks vs Mihawk. Not trolling i promise.

Okay since you're the detailed type, i'll try to be detailed about my perspective here:

- Zoro learned haki in a specific part of flashback tho, not during the entirety of TS. Obviously you can integrate haki with your swordsmanship to complement each other. It doesn't nullify the difference of Rayleigh's teaching vs Mihawk's teaching.

- Zoro's techniques got stronger, not necessarily due to haki. We just see his technique become bigger, his tornadoes become longer in duration, his flying slashes become longer, is it CoA lengthening the distance or prolonging the tornado Tatsumaki? Of course not, the basics and advanced levels of his sword technique and strength is certainly better compared to pre-TS, not solely CoA.

- Really no one even mentioned that Mihawk the WSS having the strongest haki. At marineford, a guy mentioned Mihawk's "slash" as the world's strongest slash. Is peak CoC applied as a slash? No, the strongest CoC infusion until now is applied as crushing attacks making no-touch zone.

- Mihawk didn't even teach Zoro CoC. Even the burden of proof is needed for Mihawk being able of doing CoC. Mihawk's teaching was all CoA. While Ray taught CoC, something Mihawk would emphasize to Zoro if only he is a master at it. But seeing Zoro's reply to Kaidou ("what do you mean CoC? I just willpower it with all my strength"), he wasnt taught CoC, implying Mihawk is not a CoC master.

- No one mention Roger as WSS at his time, Kaidou hyped Roger's haki instead of him being the WSS, WB hyped Shanks' CoC instead of him being a master swordsman, Vergo saying "haki user" as a separate term

- Zoro gave himself "King of Hell" instead of saying "now i'm one step closer to take WSS throne" or "i' a stronger swordsman now" etc once he mastered CoC, thus giving even more impression that haki is its own thing. Rayleigh saying since the first time that haki is an energy. Using haki is using that energy thus making haki as an independent power.

- Kaidou recognize Shanks as the only living person capable of matching him, while Mihawk didnt get that recognition. This is a clear advantage in Shanks' powerlevel portrayal compared to Mihawk, just like how Mihawk has his WSS title as his portrayal advantage over Shanks.

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Tldr:

- powerlevel-wise, i don't agree about WSS status as the strongest in haki, sincea character's strength as a haki user is its own term.

- narrative-wise, it's always Luffy and his hardest opponents that get the best haki. Always been the case.

- since the beginning, and especially now, Shanks is portrayed as the best CoC user in OP.

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My conclusion: Shanks being a weaker swordsman than WSS doesn't make him weaker than Mihawk in a fight, since until now Shanks is portrayed to have more powerful haki especially CoC.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

FUN FACT

Kaido spent 11 chapters fighting the scabbards and about 10 fighting Yamato.

GB spent one and a half on both together.

 

[Jailer]

FUN FACT

Kaido spent 11 chapters fighting the scabbards and about 10 fighting Yamato.

GB spent one and a half on both together.

Correction

All scabbards + Sulong Inu and Neko, all of them at their best

Hybrid Yamato

5 supernovas

Luffy after a fuckton of power ups

While holding Onigashima which also contributed eventually taking a toll on him

 

[Mimka]

Seriously i don't know how people can't get that or they simply don't want to believe it to keep their agenda alive. I can't even count how many times kaido was called the strongest, now even Greenbull is hyping him.

Kid and killer faced Shanks pirate but called kaido the strongest pirate. Kaido himself said nobody could defeat him even though he knew shanks and had apparently experienced his haki.

"In 1 on 1 always bet on kaido"
"The strongest pirate"
"Nobody can defeat me"
"The strongest creature"
"You think you can beat that thing?"
Etc

Nobody had this much hype

 

[kurwa]

lmao, it took Aramaki 4 pages in 2 chapters to no diff scabbards + Yamato

Kaido was fighting Scabbards for 10 chapters and they put him in a coma during that fight
He also fought Yamato for like 7 chapters

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Correction

All scabbards + Sulong Inu and Neko, all of them at their best

And it was 11 chapters of fighting where they all cut him.

Guess how much damage the scabbards did to GB?
0.

 

[Dragon777]

Luffy did it to the admirals at marinefor first.
"It's not the moment yet" = " I need all of marine forces and then I'll fight you"

It's strange, because I didn't read this phrase in the summary .

BTW, if we are speaking seriously, it's obvious that in order to battle Shanks and crew he'll need more men. Even Kaido, who is stronger than everyone, retreated, ad he was facing only Shanks and RHP, and he also had King with him.
That phrase is in the chapter just for saying that Ryo does not fear Shanks.

 

[Jailer]

And it was 11 chapters of fighting where they all cut him.

Guess how much damage the scabbards did to GB?
0.

Who gives a fuck, they fought only for one chapter, they were fine by the end of it.

 

[Moewu]

Wait, is the panel with Uta revealed yet? I don't see her.

 

[Jailer]

Wait, is the panel with Uta revealed yet? I don't see her.

It's just a small shadow, not full reveal

 

[kurohime]

It's strange, because I didn't read this phrase in the summary .

BTW, if we are speaking seriously, it's obvious that in order to battle Shanks and crew he'll need more men. Even Kaido, who is stronger that everyone, retreated, ad he was facing only Shanks and RHP, and he also had King with him.
That phrase is in the chapter just for saying that Ryo does not fear Shanks.

He is literally shaking in fear on panel. Stop

 

[Freya Of Vanahelm]

Man can't wait will the SHs fight the Admirals and people spending countless of threads arguing who will Zoro and Sanji fight and which Admirals is stronger

 

[uyuu]

It's just a small shadow, not full reveal

Maybe it need a magnifying glass to even see

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Who gives a fuck, they fought only for one chapter, they were fine by the end of it.

Because Momo and then Shanks saved them.

btw, GB was literally playing with them. His dialogue after getting hit by Momo is literally “you want to play games huh?”

 

[Dark Admiral]

So you are fine with him getting paralyzed by Shanks CoC from miles away?

what other choices are there.? lol

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

I think the new admirals are comparable in strength to the OG admirals, as in having an extreme diff battle among each other. After all, the Marines were said to have grown in strength post TS, with the admirals being their main forces, and for the sake of balance, it wouldn't make much sense to have much weaker, new admirals.

As for Akainu, he seemed at least intimidated too, which is no shame. Aokiji was intimidated by Luffy's CoC too, turning pale, sweating and being like "whoa whoa, are you serious?!" With Kizaru saying CoC is a terrifying power.

well Akainu got intimidated but not Paralyzed , if you got intimidated is better than being paralyzed since the second one speaks in clear words that there is a gap in strength between the opponents as clear example of Monet vs Zoro but as for being intimidated that can only speak for the gap in strength if the dude was nearly koed / koed or showed som signs of being overwhelmed for akainu's case i agree that he was intimidated but that's only for seconds afterwards he called shanks a son of bitch and wasn't sweating heck even Aokiji attacked the submarine without giving a fuck about Shanks .

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He is literally shaking in fear on panel. Stop

It’s almost as if Shanks sneak’d him with a COC technique.

 

[Aknolagon]

@comrade @MarineHQ62 @The White Crane
@EmperorKinyagi

Actually I'm thinking if Aramaki is not maybe EOS Sabo opponent ? Fire vs Plant.
Also Gb wants Akainu recognition so giving Sabo's head, brother of Luffy, n°2 of Dragon and that Celestial dragon thing something Sabo wants to abolish.

 

[Mlzz]

Seriously i don't know how people can't get that or they simply don't want to believe it to keep their agenda alive. I can't even count how many times kaido was called the strongest, now even Greenbull is hyping him.

Kid and killer faced Shanks pirate but called kaido the strongest pirate. Kaido himself said nobody could defeat him even though he knew shanks and had apparently experienced his haki.

"In 1 on 1 always bet on kaido"
"The strongest pirate"
"Nobody can defeat me"
"The strongest creature"
"You think you can beat that thing?"
Etc

Nobody had this much hype

Kaido: only joy boy can beat me
So luffy G5 top 1