Chapter Discussion One Piece - Chapter 977 : "The Party Won't Start Now"
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But they didn't fight for one day? Did you forget that or ignore my reply again?
In 12 hours, Inuarashi is getting tired. Jack is fine. Inuarashi retreats, gets 12 hours of rest.
Jack fights someone identical in strength to Inuarashi for the next 12 hours and is fine.
This indicates clearly how Jack would be after a full day fight with them. If they were close, you'd expect Jack to be damaged or tired. But this goes on for 5 days.
More than a bit. I believe Jack could, in roughly a day's time, maybe a few more hours. Too bad he never got the opportunity
And Cracker's endurance and stamina feats are lacking. Clearly not YC3 material lol.
So.. We're agreeing Denjiro's worries were either for nothing or his perception of strong / challenges is skewed? Because I wouldn't consider Perospero a threat to someone on his / Ashura's level, and half the people who beat the garrison were below Perospero. And no one showed the slightest bit of strain, so it's not even like you can say the Monster Trio did the heavy lifting. It was seen as easy across the board/
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So casual Robin> them? I'm not following your broken train of logic here. It's riddled with holes.
I came to that conclusion because he was worried over people who Brook, Robin and Franky were treating as toys were "a challenge" for him. Again, unless you want to admit Brook, Robin and Franky are on par with someone like Dressrosa Law, and above Denjiro himself, his concerns make zero sense.
Or, more likely, fodder are fodder and your reading too much into this. I myself believe Ashura and Inu are YC4, and either 1 would massacre the Mid Trio.
Are you trolling me lmfao, or is your reading comprehension this low?
Oda directly mirrored Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. King is the fill in for Marco, as both are flying creatures associated with Fire. Marco is also the leader of the Whitebeard Remnants during the time skip, hence the YC1. So, Oda wants us to connect King with the established Marco.
Logically, Queen and Jack are just below YC1 King, hence Yc2 and YC3 respectfully. This is all set up and established, whereas any "Ace" isn't. He isn't spoken of highly, he's mentioned and not the highlight of the chapter. The Tobi Roppo are. So either Kaido has TWO YC1 level characters, his son and King, or his son isn't as strong as we think.
In 12 hours, Inuarashi is getting tired. Jack is fine. Inuarashi retreats, gets 12 hours of rest.
Jack fights someone identical in strength to Inuarashi for the next 12 hours and is fine.
This indicates clearly how Jack would be after a full day fight with them. If they were close, you'd expect Jack to be damaged or tired. But this goes on for 5 days.
More than a bit. I believe Jack could, in roughly a day's time, maybe a few more hours. Too bad he never got the opportunity
And Cracker's endurance and stamina feats are lacking. Clearly not YC3 material lol.
So.. We're agreeing Denjiro's worries were either for nothing or his perception of strong / challenges is skewed? Because I wouldn't consider Perospero a threat to someone on his / Ashura's level, and half the people who beat the garrison were below Perospero. And no one showed the slightest bit of strain, so it's not even like you can say the Monster Trio did the heavy lifting. It was seen as easy across the board/
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So casual Robin> them? I'm not following your broken train of logic here. It's riddled with holes.
1. Of course he is cautious his ally will fight Kaido after all
2. He didn't underestimate SH. He was impressed by SH. How do you come to that conclusion?
3. How is his perception skewed? Becaue he disagree with your powerscaling?
2. He didn't underestimate SH. He was impressed by SH. How do you come to that conclusion?
3. How is his perception skewed? Becaue he disagree with your powerscaling?
I came to that conclusion because he was worried over people who Brook, Robin and Franky were treating as toys were "a challenge" for him. Again, unless you want to admit Brook, Robin and Franky are on par with someone like Dressrosa Law, and above Denjiro himself, his concerns make zero sense.
Yeah that's why it makes no sense for Robin and Franky to be that strong unless Ashura and Inuarashi who are close to Jack level are just YC4 or below
Because King is from rare race. Nothing to do with his strength
Oda directly mirrored Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. King is the fill in for Marco, as both are flying creatures associated with Fire. Marco is also the leader of the Whitebeard Remnants during the time skip, hence the YC1. So, Oda wants us to connect King with the established Marco.
Logically, Queen and Jack are just below YC1 King, hence Yc2 and YC3 respectfully. This is all set up and established, whereas any "Ace" isn't. He isn't spoken of highly, he's mentioned and not the highlight of the chapter. The Tobi Roppo are. So either Kaido has TWO YC1 level characters, his son and King, or his son isn't as strong as we think.
So after re-reading the chapter, I just realized something.
Luffy and the others were about to throw a banquet for Jinbe, but Luffy decided to postphone it after they have defeated Kaido.
In the first translation that I read, Luffy says "let's do it with them", and "we'll throw the biggest banquet ever". All of this reminds me of the party at the end of dressrosa with the Grand Fleet.
Could Oda be hinting that the Grand Fleet will show up during Wano. Maybe at the end when they are leaving Wano and the grand fleet meets up with them?
Luffy and the others were about to throw a banquet for Jinbe, but Luffy decided to postphone it after they have defeated Kaido.
In the first translation that I read, Luffy says "let's do it with them", and "we'll throw the biggest banquet ever". All of this reminds me of the party at the end of dressrosa with the Grand Fleet.
Could Oda be hinting that the Grand Fleet will show up during Wano. Maybe at the end when they are leaving Wano and the grand fleet meets up with them?
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So Jack needs more than 12 hours to defeat Inuarashi? That's still extreme diff lol.
For 5 days Jack couldn't put down Inuarashi even in his zoan form. If Jack is way stronger he didn't need 12 hours right? He even used poison gas because he couldn't put down Inuarashi in zoan form.
How is his endurance lacking? Luffy even with multiple G4 couldn't put down Cracker Biscuit soldiers. It's just like saying Jack ndurance is shit since in his human form he got damaged by Ashura and needed medical attention.
According to Denjiro even with Inuarashi and Ashura who are a bit weaker than Jack it would be difficult while casual SH did it casually so Inuarashi and Ashura might be not that strong.
I'm not saying casual Robin>Inuarashi. I'm saying Inuarashi or Ashura might be YC4 and Jack might be YC3.5 since Inuarashi and Ashura are close in power.
Resorting to insult I see
The hierarchy is different. Marco gave order to Vista while King and Queen have similar rank since Queen insulted Queen in their appearance.
For 5 days Jack couldn't put down Inuarashi even in his zoan form. If Jack is way stronger he didn't need 12 hours right? He even used poison gas because he couldn't put down Inuarashi in zoan form.
How is his endurance lacking? Luffy even with multiple G4 couldn't put down Cracker Biscuit soldiers. It's just like saying Jack ndurance is shit since in his human form he got damaged by Ashura and needed medical attention.
According to Denjiro even with Inuarashi and Ashura who are a bit weaker than Jack it would be difficult while casual SH did it casually so Inuarashi and Ashura might be not that strong.
I'm not saying casual Robin>Inuarashi. I'm saying Inuarashi or Ashura might be YC4 and Jack might be YC3.5 since Inuarashi and Ashura are close in power.
Are you trolling me lmfao, or is your reading comprehension this low?
Oda directly mirrored Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. King is the fill in for Marco, as both are flying creatures associated with Fire. Marco is also the leader of the Whitebeard Remnants during the time skip, hence the YC1. So, Oda wants us to connect King with the established Marco.
Logically, Queen and Jack are just below YC1 King, hence Yc2 and YC3 respectfully. This is all set up and established, whereas any "Ace" isn't. He isn't spoken of highly, he's mentioned and not the highlight of the chapter. The Tobi Roppo are. So either Kaido has TWO YC1 level characters, his son and King, or his son isn't as strong as we think.
Oda directly mirrored Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. King is the fill in for Marco, as both are flying creatures associated with Fire. Marco is also the leader of the Whitebeard Remnants during the time skip, hence the YC1. So, Oda wants us to connect King with the established Marco.
Logically, Queen and Jack are just below YC1 King, hence Yc2 and YC3 respectfully. This is all set up and established, whereas any "Ace" isn't. He isn't spoken of highly, he's mentioned and not the highlight of the chapter. The Tobi Roppo are. So either Kaido has TWO YC1 level characters, his son and King, or his son isn't as strong as we think.
The hierarchy is different. Marco gave order to Vista while King and Queen have similar rank since Queen insulted Queen in their appearance.
In what way is it extreme diff if Jack receives no damage, isn't tired and hasn't been pressed much? It takes time, I agree, Jack's own shortcomings. As I say again, he focuses on endurance the most, so when you get a YC4 level character, Jack will naturally rely on his best stat for victory.
Zoan form ~ Human form, or even slightly weaker. He resorted to poison gas after he began to get tired out after fighting both dukes without breaks for five days.
Read: The Dukes did not do damage. They did not injure Jack to the point of him capitulating. It took their combined might to make Jack run out of energy after five days, in which they had frequent and lengthy breaks.
No, Cracker's endurance is bad because he can't take pain and he was huffing and puffing after their 11 hour duel despite only clapping his hands.
Not that Jack even acknowledged the attack on him or the damage afterwards lmao.
So, let's recap here.
Every Straw Hat took out their enemies casually. Even the Mid Trio, who are very, very weak.
So weak that Robin couldn't beat Trebol, a lower end Veteran. Brook was demolished by Perospero.
Said Veterans couldn't really do much against Sanji.
Inuarashi could fight Jack for 12 hours straight, putting him above the Veterans.
Now, you're saying that the same people the Mid Trio are dealing with CASUALLY are evidence that Jack is weak? Instead of thinking that, maybe Denjiro was wrong, or underestimating the SHs? That's your conclusion?
Robin is far, far, far below YC4 level. So that really doesn't matter, because if she can casually handle opponents, so can they. Denjiro was just wrong.
It's a genuine question, because you seem to be misreading what I'm saying and your conclusions are amazingly wrong.
Yes—King and Queen have a relationship akin to Daz Bones and Bonclay. The top 2 under Crocodile. Also mirrors to Sanji and Zoro, the top 2 under Luffy.
Their relationship doesn't change the fact that Oda drew lines towards Marco and wanted us to think of that interaction. You're just wrong about where you think the Calamities belong.
Zoan form ~ Human form, or even slightly weaker. He resorted to poison gas after he began to get tired out after fighting both dukes without breaks for five days.
Read: The Dukes did not do damage. They did not injure Jack to the point of him capitulating. It took their combined might to make Jack run out of energy after five days, in which they had frequent and lengthy breaks.
How is his endurance lacking? Luffy even with multiple G4 couldn't put down Cracker Biscuit soldiers. It's just like saying Jack ndurance is shit since in his human form he got damaged by Ashura and needed medical attention.
Not that Jack even acknowledged the attack on him or the damage afterwards lmao.
So, let's recap here.
Every Straw Hat took out their enemies casually. Even the Mid Trio, who are very, very weak.
So weak that Robin couldn't beat Trebol, a lower end Veteran. Brook was demolished by Perospero.
Said Veterans couldn't really do much against Sanji.
Inuarashi could fight Jack for 12 hours straight, putting him above the Veterans.
Now, you're saying that the same people the Mid Trio are dealing with CASUALLY are evidence that Jack is weak? Instead of thinking that, maybe Denjiro was wrong, or underestimating the SHs? That's your conclusion?
Robin is far, far, far below YC4 level. So that really doesn't matter, because if she can casually handle opponents, so can they. Denjiro was just wrong.
Resorting to insult I see
The hierarchy is different. Marco gave order to Vista while King and Queen have similar rank since Queen insulted Queen in their appearance.
The hierarchy is different. Marco gave order to Vista while King and Queen have similar rank since Queen insulted Queen in their appearance.
Yes—King and Queen have a relationship akin to Daz Bones and Bonclay. The top 2 under Crocodile. Also mirrors to Sanji and Zoro, the top 2 under Luffy.
Their relationship doesn't change the fact that Oda drew lines towards Marco and wanted us to think of that interaction. You're just wrong about where you think the Calamities belong.
Great chapter.
It was so great to see all the straw-hats together in one page is definitely one of the most heartwarming panels, seeing most of the straw hats attack together and the weak trio being cowards just brought back all the nostalgia man.
You know shit is serious when Luffy is the one being mature and not wanting to have the banquet now as he has faced both yonkos so he knows what the hell they have to go through.
Law knew there are two wouldn't follow a plan so he would need to come with another one so they don't ruin it lol.
Kidd sure has some balls wanting to go after kaido alone, how many more limbs does he want to lose, it seems like killer might be back to normal now?
Holy shit kaido has a son? 0.0 who the hell is the baby mama then. Man i hope he is actually strong and doesnt seem to have a weird design
So it does seem like all of the flying six member are there so i guess page one wasn't defeated after all. One of the flying six seems to be a girl so i cant wait to see who gets to face her. Definitely looking forward to how their design looks for sure.
It was so great to see all the straw-hats together in one page is definitely one of the most heartwarming panels, seeing most of the straw hats attack together and the weak trio being cowards just brought back all the nostalgia man.
You know shit is serious when Luffy is the one being mature and not wanting to have the banquet now as he has faced both yonkos so he knows what the hell they have to go through.
Law knew there are two wouldn't follow a plan so he would need to come with another one so they don't ruin it lol.
Kidd sure has some balls wanting to go after kaido alone, how many more limbs does he want to lose, it seems like killer might be back to normal now?
Holy shit kaido has a son? 0.0 who the hell is the baby mama then. Man i hope he is actually strong and doesnt seem to have a weird design
So it does seem like all of the flying six member are there so i guess page one wasn't defeated after all. One of the flying six seems to be a girl so i cant wait to see who gets to face her. Definitely looking forward to how their design looks for sure.
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I think the problem is we have different meaning of extreme difficulty. If he defeat Inuarashi just like how easily Doflamingo defeated Sanji then yes Jack is way stronger. But the problem is Jack needed more than 12 hours and even resorted to using poison gas which is not a good portrayal for Jack.
Okay let's say Nekomamushi was not present at Zou. Only Jack and Inuarashi.
By your logic Jack will defeat Inuarashi after 12 hours (which is still questionable imo) that still makes it extreme diff.
You are not factoring Cracker df at all. Luffy with multiple G4 couldn't take down Cracker because of his df. As I said if we don't take df factor into account then yes Cracker endurance is weak in human form just like Jack endurance is weak in his human form since he needed medical attention from Ashura nameless attack.
Jack needed medical attention.
Look at middle right panel. One of his men says he will stop the bleeding.
I think we can agree to disagree with this. If Jack opponent would be Jinbei I might reevaluate my power scaling.
I might be wrong but I want to voice my opinion.
In WB flashback Marco is said to be WB right hand man.
Marco gave order to Vista.
Based on feat, distracted Marco got shot by Marco's laser and recovered and still strong enough to fend off Akainu while distracted Jozu lost an arm in his fight against Aokiji.
Marco is clearly put above the rest of WB commanders while King and Queen have cat and dog relationship like Zoro and Sanji.
Okay let's say Nekomamushi was not present at Zou. Only Jack and Inuarashi.
By your logic Jack will defeat Inuarashi after 12 hours (which is still questionable imo) that still makes it extreme diff.
No, Cracker's endurance is bad because he can't take pain and he was huffing and puffing after their 11 hour duel despite only clapping his hands.
Not that Jack even acknowledged the attack on him or the damage afterwards lmao.
Not that Jack even acknowledged the attack on him or the damage afterwards lmao.
You are not factoring Cracker df at all. Luffy with multiple G4 couldn't take down Cracker because of his df. As I said if we don't take df factor into account then yes Cracker endurance is weak in human form just like Jack endurance is weak in his human form since he needed medical attention from Ashura nameless attack.Jack needed medical attention.
Look at middle right panel. One of his men says he will stop the bleeding.
I think we can agree to disagree with this. If Jack opponent would be Jinbei I might reevaluate my power scaling.
I might be wrong but I want to voice my opinion.
In WB flashback Marco is said to be WB right hand man.
Marco gave order to Vista.
Based on feat, distracted Marco got shot by Marco's laser and recovered and still strong enough to fend off Akainu while distracted Jozu lost an arm in his fight against Aokiji.
Marco is clearly put above the rest of WB commanders while King and Queen have cat and dog relationship like Zoro and Sanji.
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