Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1058 Spoilers Discussion

[ShadyOjiro]

So he says
One time skill
And one time strength
So how do you guys reached
Mihawk>Saint Shanks

Because he says world strongest swordman.

What in that phrase you don't get?
You think skill is not included in the tittle or something? Or that you need another tittle ?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

OKAY ONE QUESTION TO ALL MIHAWK FANS
WHY DIDN'T BRANNEW SAID
"HIS STRENGTH SURPASSES THAT OF RED HAIRS"
INSTEAD HE SAID
"HIS SWORDSMANSHIP SURPASSES THAT OD RED HAIRED"
SO WHY ARE YOU GUYS HELLBENT ON MAKING
MIHAWK>Saint Shanks

Did you stop reading? Literally after saying Saint Shanks is a Swordsman said Mihawk is the World strongest Swordsman.

 

[Rootbeer]

man I dont think not having those extra lines on his blade , means he isnt using it yet
I see the same with yamato
much thinner than kaido's but its the same coc coating.

stop crying because I dont agree with you.

Now we have something.. Yamato lines are at the tip of her kanabo and they are decreasing as the attack ends..

Zoro's lines are constant and not coming from the tip but Green smoke in middle of his blades, and i told you thats Enma's soul that looks just like Brooks color of his soul and form..

Now give me a proper counter or just tap out..

 

[SkySanji]

Stop. You are breaking apart a compound word. The full word is 実力 . You can't just split the kanji apart like that. Here is the definition of 実力
https://jisho.org/search/実力
Stephen Paul makes some choices I don't like, but he is competent and a fan. I trust his judgment. The word is ability/skill.

This is laughably wrong and your internet translator isn't changing it

実力で上へ行ける組織なんだ
It's an organization where you can climb up the ranks with strength

Even in the shit japanese dictionary you linked, true strength/use of force is an alternative meaning

Context matters when determining a words meaning and we know for a fact that Kaido's crew is based around raw power, that's entirely how the hierarchy is determined and the way they move up is by being stronger than a Calamity and beating them

Stephen Paul is a dogshit translator and is largely the reason why Viz is laughed at for accuracy

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

OKAY ONE QUESTION TO ALL MIHAWK FANS
WHY DIDN'T BRANNEW SAID
"HIS STRENGTH SURPASSES THAT OF RED HAIRS"
INSTEAD HE SAID
"HIS SWORDSMANSHIP SURPASSES THAT OD RED HAIRED"
SO WHY ARE YOU GUYS HELLBENT ON MAKING
MIHAWK>Saint Shanks

Hope this helps:

tag all those Saint Shanks tards here , @TheAncientCenturion i'm gonna respect u and i won't go out of control FOR NOW :

° Point 1 :
Brannew:

“Hawkeye Mihawk”!! Also a former Warlord of the Sea and his swordsmanship surpasses that of the Emperor “Red Haired”!!

Saint Shanks tards , focus on what brannew said ; he confirmed that Saint Shanks is a swordman and Mihawk is better than him .


Point 2 :

° Brannew :

As the Strongest Swordsman in the World, he’s wanted for..!! 3.5 billion and 90 million berries!!

again as what was seen Saint Shanks is a swordman and Mihawk is better than him isn't it ? but here Brannew destroyed u again he said Mihawk is the strongest swordman , he is mentioned by strength and Saint Shanks is a swordman so he is stronger than Saint Shanks

point 1 + 2 :

Mihawk is more skilled and stronger than Saint Shanks who is a swordman


@stairs-kun do the job friendo

 

[GoldDiamond]

They don't call Mihawk the most skilled swordsman either. He's literally the strongest swordsman on paper and in actuality.

Swordsmanship is the skill though his title literally has 剣 which is swordsmanship he’s considered the strongest swordsmen because of swordsmemship, what else

 

[Boiroy]

So he says
One time skill
And one time strength
So how do you guys reached
Mihawk>Saint Shanks

Coz both are swordsman retard

 

[Seven7]

Your logic is 20 iq..

 

[soheilhazrat]

Debates over. Mihawks stronger.

No sensible Saint Shanks fan is here arguing, all we see are disgruntled Rupeebros & 20 iq casuals.

Im not big fan of either
I like both equally tbh, but i feel like Saint Shanks might be a little stronger. Oda is Saint Shanks fanboy
We'll se though

 

[ConquistadoR]

So titles means nothing then
Or you are saying WB can defeat roger

WB >~ Roger.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

since everyone here is soo anal about the kanji written on the panel then we will translate it literally, to which it translates as strongest

It's just something so old jeez.

Mihawk ,wb and Kaido tittle have the same kanji words only the word swordman,man and creature change.

 

[Strawhats Bible]

It's not a lie though. WB's feats are real and people not surpassing his accomplishments is also real. If Mihawk grew weaker over time, then we can have a discussion.

That's not subjective sorry.
Whitebeard wasn't the Strongest Pirate in the world or Man yet was still being called that because of accomplishments of the past, he was literally living off his name.
I am not saying the same thing is happening to Mihawk but Oda does such a poor job with him that it leaves space for doubts. Mihawk seems out of place right now, he is the WSS yet we never saw anyone come for his title bar Zoro, we have been seeing people aiming for Whitebeard's title or to become an emperor since the pre time skip...
My whole problem is how the world building around Mihawk is just lackluster, he only has one rival which he refused to fight for the past 12+ years... Oda needs to do a better job here.

Again I am not trying to push any agendas here because it doesn't really change anything for me with mihawk being stronger or weaker than Saint Shanks.

 

[Ashish]

OKAY MIHAWKFANS
I CAN GO TO SUCK CONCLUSION
IF MIHAWK VS Saint Shanks HAPPENED 101 TIMES
THEN
MIHAWK=51 WINS
Saint Shanks=50 WINS
HOW'S THAT NOW AGREE

 

[Rootbeer]

No u is really a 200iq comeback

Yeah what im saying is his reasoning is not a 10 move ahead chess play..

 

[Momonosuke]

You really have to wonder because the only person we ever saw in the story coming for his title is Zoro. When you stop wondering brief me about it.

No we saw Vista make it a point to confront him at marineford when he should have been trying to save ace. Mihawk is a side character used for zoros character development we don't need to see every single challenge he's ever had, it is obviously implied that anyone and everyone who considers themselves a top rate swordsman wants to test themselves against mihawk if given the opportunity. But again this forum is filled with oblivious idiots who have an agenda that only involves their favorite characters.

I however have spent my time reading and watching one piece focused on actually comprehending the entirety of odas work so that I may better understand the story as a whole and better predict what will happen next. You idiots are analyzing individual characters that you like, I'm analyzing ODA and everything about what he's writing so that I can predict what comes next better than all of you dumbfucks

 

[Mlzz]

So titles means nothing then
Or you are saying WB can defeat roger

Of course title means nothing
Sick roger fight equally against primebeard
Zoan Luffy beat the strongest creature

 

[soheilhazrat]

WB >~ Roger.

WB wasnt WSM in oden flashback when roger was alive or im missing something

 

[Sentry22]

This forum is something else.

Although this may in part be Oda's fault for causing such a confusion. Especially when the ones who occupy the top 5 in verse are for the most part all weapon wielders.

It's almost like putting the WSM and WSS in the same category. Both are men and both wield weapons. So whose truly the strongest of all?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Swordsmanship is the skill though his title literally has 剣 which is swordsmanship he’s considered the strongest swordsmen because of swordsmemship, what else

He's not called the most skilled swordsman though. The strongest swordsman means the strongest person who fights using swordsmanship, and that's what Mihawk is. You need not look further than Zoro to know what it takes to be a swordsman in OP.

 

[GoldDiamond]

I know mihawk fans want to ignore this , but him saying the marines fleets were a lot of work legit hypes the marines no matter how you look at it.