Controversial The defenitive thread about swordsmanship skills and titles.
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When will people realise that DR Zoro and DR Law were WSS candidates already?
WSS is based on sword skills (especially cutting feats) that's why they bring up Zoro and Law feats od cutting mountains/golems as candidate feats for next WSS...
This alone tells you being WSS isn't much when Mihawk & Yonko Shanks are being debated with DR zoro , Law for the title.
Young Shanks is hyped for matching Great swordmaster , WSS Mihawk
In swordmanship:
Mihawk >~ Vista >~ Ushimaru > Shanks >~ Zoro
In haki : Shanks > Mihawk > Zoro > Vista/ Ushimaru
Overall : Shanks > Mihawk > Zoro > Vista >Ushimaru
Even Oden (the samurai Roger/Luffy) isn't called "Great Swordmaster" because he's a freak of nature.
Stop comparing WSS to WSM & WSC
One is a specific fighting style Title while the the latter 2 covers every single creature/man (doesn't matter your rank or work or fighting style, race...)
Btw Both WB and Kaido also held the titles of WSP.
Oda never brought up Kaido skills
When Oda talks about kaido via Brannew, He says "his sheer strength/power " not "his skills".
Roger doesn't have cutting attacks. His attack was a blast which went through Oden. Never cut his clothes or his body.
Shanks has blasting moves as Red movie shows it.
Swordsmen have cutting attacks.
Zoro with CoC still does cutting /slashing moves not Blasting moves like Roger and Shanks or Kaido do with their CoC
WSS is based on sword skills (especially cutting feats) that's why they bring up Zoro and Law feats od cutting mountains/golems as candidate feats for next WSS...
This alone tells you being WSS isn't much when Mihawk & Yonko Shanks are being debated with DR zoro , Law for the title.
Young Shanks is hyped for matching Great swordmaster , WSS Mihawk
In swordmanship:
Mihawk >~ Vista >~ Ushimaru > Shanks >~ Zoro
In haki : Shanks > Mihawk > Zoro > Vista/ Ushimaru
Overall : Shanks > Mihawk > Zoro > Vista >Ushimaru
Even Oden (the samurai Roger/Luffy) isn't called "Great Swordmaster" because he's a freak of nature.
Stop comparing WSS to WSM & WSC
One is a specific fighting style Title while the the latter 2 covers every single creature/man (doesn't matter your rank or work or fighting style, race...)
Btw Both WB and Kaido also held the titles of WSP.
Oda never brought up Kaido skills
When Oda talks about kaido via Brannew, He says "his sheer strength/power " not "his skills".
Roger doesn't have cutting attacks. His attack was a blast which went through Oden. Never cut his clothes or his body.
Shanks has blasting moves as Red movie shows it.
Swordsmen have cutting attacks.
Zoro with CoC still does cutting /slashing moves not Blasting moves like Roger and Shanks or Kaido do with their CoC
I think better continue the discussion here
All swordsmen like Zoro and Mihawk focus on cutting things, Zoro lives to cut everything he wants, Mihawk lives cutting icebergs, cutting ships and all his skills are based on cutting.
So it's only fair to say that in OP criteria, slashing skills are swordsmanship skills.
Also because it is very dumb and lame to associate meteors, fire dragons, meteors and CoC blasts are part of swordsmanship skills.
Which one are you talking about? Are you still in the shit over the Ikoku discussion?
Let's do the following, if this non-canonical information is that important to you, what does tell me about databook saying that Vista has fencing skills equal or greater than Mihawk?
Something extremely obvious doesn't need to be said. It's like saying that a character with Black Leg Style needs to use kicks to attack. There is no ambiguity for something so obvious to be revealed.
And that's precisely a technique to cut tougher things
All swordsmen like Zoro and Mihawk focus on cutting things, Zoro lives to cut everything he wants, Mihawk lives cutting icebergs, cutting ships and all his skills are based on cutting.
So it's only fair to say that in OP criteria, slashing skills are swordsmanship skills.
Also because it is very dumb and lame to associate meteors, fire dragons, meteors and CoC blasts are part of swordsmanship skills.
Which one are you talking about? Are you still in the shit over the Ikoku discussion?
Let's do the following, if this non-canonical information is that important to you, what does tell me about databook saying that Vista has fencing skills equal or greater than Mihawk?
Something extremely obvious doesn't need to be said. It's like saying that a character with Black Leg Style needs to use kicks to attack. There is no ambiguity for something so obvious to be revealed.
And that's precisely a technique to cut tougher things
Because when I show you examples of swordsmen doing stuff that isn't cutting, you ignore it. When I show you official material with Oda's backing saying Ikkoku, a blast attack, is swordsmanship, you call it fraudulent even though it's far, far more relevant than your or mine personal opinion without evidence.
It's not "fair" to say what you're saying without evidence because you're ignoring actual evidence to the contrary based on these personal rules you've come up by yourself.
And Vista's fencing skills can be equal to (it never said greater, shit translation) Mihawk, btw. What would be wrong with that?
It even says in Alabasta that swordsmen not being able to cut when they don't want to cut is a part of swordsmanship. Such as Zoro doing a very fast swing yet not cutting leaves. So if a swordsman just wants to send a shockwave to push someone away, they can.
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apparently Shanks isn't included in Zoro's dream anymore and people are agreeing with it, so Shanks being stronger than Mihawk doesn't make Zoro's dream fake since Zoro wants to be strongest Dai-Kengo and Shanks isn't one.
You should agree with this right? Doesn't go against one of the MC's dream.
:cheers:
apparently Shanks isn't included in Zoro's dream anymore and people are agreeing with it, so Shanks being stronger than Mihawk doesn't make Zoro's dream fake since Zoro wants to be strongest Dai-Kengo and Shanks isn't one.
You should agree with this right? Doesn't go against one of the MC's dream.
:cheers:
One source saying Dai-Kengo doesn't invalidate other manga source calling it in general. After all, Dai-Kengo are part of swordsmen as a whole
Except Ikkoku is canonically confirmed as swordsmanship and it's a blast attack.
Except "Two sword style: Hawk Wave" is a wind shockwave attack that does no cutting, as shown on panel and confirmed by its DB entry.
Except even Oden has a shockwave attack as shown in his FB vs Roger Pirates.
Except Alabasta outright confirmed that swordsman who don't cut with their attacks when they don't want to cut are actually good swordsmen.
Not once in the history of One Piece was it stated that swordsmanship is limited to cutting only. The contrary was shown on many times.
Except "Two sword style: Hawk Wave" is a wind shockwave attack that does no cutting, as shown on panel and confirmed by its DB entry.
Except even Oden has a shockwave attack as shown in his FB vs Roger Pirates.
Except Alabasta outright confirmed that swordsman who don't cut with their attacks when they don't want to cut are actually good swordsmen.
Not once in the history of One Piece was it stated that swordsmanship is limited to cutting only. The contrary was shown on many times.