You don't think Luffy haki was improving throughout the fight. You might be right though maybe Luffy combination of physical strength and Haki passed up a tired Kaido attack. So maybe. I don't see how this changes anything with cut yoru or Swordsman having haki to improve Swordsmanship. The way of the sword to Mihawk is teaching Zoro haki. Do you have a rebuttal for that?
Powers & Abilities Swordsmanship is All About Haki
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Zoro spent two years with Mihawk. We saw one panel of that entire two years in a flashback during the first time Zoro ever showcased Hardening, to give the readers insight as to where he learned it.
That is hardly grounds to claim that is the only thing Mihawk showed Zoro.
Explain why all of Zoro's preskip attacks, now have upgraded names, even when Haki isn't being used. What would have changed with Zoro, to make those attacks much more potent?
That is hardly grounds to claim that is the only thing Mihawk showed Zoro.
Explain why all of Zoro's preskip attacks, now have upgraded names, even when Haki isn't being used. What would have changed with Zoro, to make those attacks much more potent?
honestly willing to bet the clairvoyant guy has more keen observation haki
shanks with his haki has developed the ability to hinder others from seeing into the future ( prob conquerors related) and that might be an efficient counter.
the first statement is still off
if swordsmanship was all about haki
ppl with great haki should be perfectly fine swordsmen off the bat . he himself admits its clickbait lol .
shanks with his haki has developed the ability to hinder others from seeing into the future ( prob conquerors related) and that might be an efficient counter.
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the first statement is still off
if swordsmanship was all about haki
ppl with great haki should be perfectly fine swordsmen off the bat . he himself admits its clickbait lol .
Dunno how it hasn't been mentioned yet at all... But the entire point of having Zoro show...
Was so that he could later showcase...
Like, that was the entire point of the thing.
He learned a new technique from Kinemon, was slowly shown improving on it and growing during the battle, and finally upgraded it with AdCoC to create this new finisher.
You cannot have "Dragon Damnation" without having learned how to cut fire, a swordsmanship technique that you do not acquire solely through Haki. And you cannot have it either without AdCoC.
To watch this entire growth unfold from Zoro in both Haki and Technique and simplify it to one is absurd.
At best, you can say that his Haki growth far far surpassed his technical growth, and sure, but you cannot still downplay the fact that Oda very clearly portrayed how technical growth and Haki complement each other through Zoro's swordsmanship.
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Was so that he could later showcase...
Like, that was the entire point of the thing.
He learned a new technique from Kinemon, was slowly shown improving on it and growing during the battle, and finally upgraded it with AdCoC to create this new finisher.
You cannot have "Dragon Damnation" without having learned how to cut fire, a swordsmanship technique that you do not acquire solely through Haki. And you cannot have it either without AdCoC.
To watch this entire growth unfold from Zoro in both Haki and Technique and simplify it to one is absurd.
At best, you can say that his Haki growth far far surpassed his technical growth, and sure, but you cannot still downplay the fact that Oda very clearly portrayed how technical growth and Haki complement each other through Zoro's swordsmanship.
So do you agree that Mihawk as per his title, is stronger than Shanks despite Shanks' haki "might" be stronger
Just asking bro, don't get triggered
Just asking bro, don't get triggered
Me debating about skills and Haki to a Swordsman has nothing to do with whose stronger between Shanks and Mihawk. It's just common sense that the World's Strongest Swordsman, would be the absolute most skilled in Swordsmanship. Like who would dedicate their entire life to a Martial Art, and not care about being the best at that Martial art? That makes no sense.
Good point. We could assume that most swordsmen, after a certain level, maxed out their basic sword skills. Then the difference comes from their physical strength, haki prowess and channeling elemental powers. There are a plenty of evidence in the manga that supports this premise. We have seen only one panel of Mihawk training Zoro and it was all about haki. Most of Zoro's post-ts attacks are amped up version of pre-ts attacks. He got many times stronger, but his techniques haven't increased proportionally. I am sure Tashigi maxed out her sword skills, but she is not one of the strongest swordsmen in the world. Smoker warned her when she charged against Law that her haki cant handle it.
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I don't think Mihawk is necessarily above in all forms of haki. But it's obvious that Mihawk is above overall- that's literally his dream. This swordsmanship or skill fight nonsense is something fans come up with. Zoro doesn't care- strongest means strongest; it means you defeat any other swordsman.
IMO Mihawk's CoA and CoO are notch above Shanks', meanwhile Shanks' CoC is notch above Mihawk's, balancing out the deficient in two with strongest of all. Meanwhile Mihawk's proficiency with blade gives him an overall edge.
IMO Mihawk's CoA and CoO are notch above Shanks', meanwhile Shanks' CoC is notch above Mihawk's, balancing out the deficient in two with strongest of all. Meanwhile Mihawk's proficiency with blade gives him an overall edge.
But most have have haki and it applies to every fighting style. That's why the general statement matters.
Kaido saying "swordsmanship" transcends all makes no sense because then it won't be a general statement anymore. Then he'd be talking about a specific stuff. It is irrelevant to Luffy or Kaido.
People wank haki because it applies to everything and can be said in any context.
Superior haki is a superior swordsman. Superior haki is a superior sniper. Superior haki is a superior brawler.
Haki transcends all because no matter what you are or what your fighting style is, haki is what makes you superior.
Regardless of who you are or what fighting style you have, haki is the ultimate factor in it. There's a reason why Zoro's journey to WSS is HEAVILY based on haki.
So all those dialogues only add to Cinera's post.
Of course it doesn't mean a superior swordsman is superior in every haki than an inferior swordsman or whatever. Just that haki is a critical part of it. There are other factors in every fighting style.
Can believe that if you want, but latter is also true at this point. Shanks is part of Zoro's dream by default (He won't lose to anyone who is a swordsman, no matter what), and Mihawk is essentially WB to Shanks' Roger. Just like how Oda never once portrayed WB as weaker to Roger, he will never have Mihawk weaker to Shanks regardless of whether people wanna believe the title or not.
Kaido saying "swordsmanship" transcends all makes no sense because then it won't be a general statement anymore. Then he'd be talking about a specific stuff. It is irrelevant to Luffy or Kaido.
People wank haki because it applies to everything and can be said in any context.
Superior haki is a superior swordsman. Superior haki is a superior sniper. Superior haki is a superior brawler.
Haki transcends all because no matter what you are or what your fighting style is, haki is what makes you superior.
Regardless of who you are or what fighting style you have, haki is the ultimate factor in it. There's a reason why Zoro's journey to WSS is HEAVILY based on haki.
So all those dialogues only add to Cinera's post.
Of course it doesn't mean a superior swordsman is superior in every haki than an inferior swordsman or whatever. Just that haki is a critical part of it. There are other factors in every fighting style.
Can believe that if you want, but latter is also true at this point. Shanks is part of Zoro's dream by default (He won't lose to anyone who is a swordsman, no matter what), and Mihawk is essentially WB to Shanks' Roger. Just like how Oda never once portrayed WB as weaker to Roger, he will never have Mihawk weaker to Shanks regardless of whether people wanna believe the title or not.
