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By feats and portrayal, Ray looks to be at least a little bit above. Like Garp post training was struggling against Chinjao. We know Garp and Roger "fought to near death" from time to time, but it begs the question when that happened. Maybe not even at their primes. I need to see Haoshoku coating from Garp.
Okay a simple question
If Roger and Rayleigh fought in raftel..is Roger not getting pushed to near death?

I think that's the least he's going to.
Blackbeard haulted ass with his crew because he knew even if he pulls out a W he would be near dead. And that's Old man 99 year old Rayleigh
 
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