Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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Shou Sa were core members of the original 100 and neither went out in dramatic fashion.
Shousa's death was one of the most dramatic deaths in the manga what are you talking about.
In the heat of day 14 of the Western Zhao invasion, both Shousa and En were tasked with not leaving their position. Shousa decides against that and heads for Kanto's rescue and dies in the process, basically preparing Kanto for a future position in the unit. Shin immaturely left his position just to say his goodbye.
 
Shousa's death was one of the most dramatic deaths in the manga what are you talking about.
In the heat of day 14 of the Western Zhao invasion, both Shousa and En were tasked with not leaving their position. Shousa decides against that and heads for Kanto's rescue and dies in the process, basically preparing Kanto for a future position in the unit. Shin immaturely left his position just to say his goodbye.
@Rumble
I nearly cried it was a hard fought battle climaxing and Shousa gave everything
 
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Shousa's death was one of the most dramatic deaths in the manga what are you talking about.
In the heat of day 14 of the Western Zhao invasion, both Shousa and En were tasked with not leaving their position. Shousa decides against that and heads for Kanto's rescue and dies in the process, basically preparing Kanto for a future position in the unit. Shin immaturely left his position just to say his goodbye.
@Rumble
I nearly cries it was a hard fought battle climaxing and Shousa gave everything
You're misunderstanding me.

Sudden deaths in narratives are inherently dramatic to a degree, but in the context of you suggesting this can't be it for Den Yuu because it wouldn't be a dramatic enough death, it's pretty clear that Hara hasn't given any of HSU/HSA members a drawn out, dramatic death.

Shou Sa's death was sad but it was not particularly dramatic; he got stabbed in one chapter and died just slowly enough to say goodbye in the next, and he got better than most.

Kyo Gai, who you failed to address, was torn to shreds out of nowhere and he had been with the unit since its inception. The most he got was a panel of his body and a final appearance in helping Kyou Kai back to the land of the living.

Gaku Rai, who had been with the unit for about a decade and who was arguably more important than Den Yuu (certainly in role), was killed very quickly by a superior foe. He got a flashback with the archer brothers and that was it.

Again, Bi Tou was the only one who got a drawn out, dramatic death.

Shou Sa probably felt sadder than most because his final moments were done really nicely in the manga, but you could just as easily argue Den Yuu's circumstances were just as - if not more - dramatic, regardless of Hara artistic choices.

While Shukai was no stroll in the park, they had comparable numbers and strong allies. If this is where Den Yuu dies, then he does so deep behind enemy lines, cut off from allies, surrounded on all fronts, wounded, compromised and desperate - yet never faltering a step behind his general. If this is where Den Yuu dies, he dies having defended his comrades and in securing the fall of Gian. It is a honourable death, one Hara could've made more dramatic if he made different artistic choices.
 
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Kingdom is amazing. And I caught up at the right time to witness shin and kanki vs Riboku:steef:
This is the best moment one can continue let's hope we can get your view on things too

You're misunderstanding me.

Sudden deaths in narratives are inherently dramatic to a degree, but in the context of you suggesting this can't be it for Den Yuu because it wouldn't be a dramatic enough death, it's pretty clear that Hara hasn't given any of HSU/HSA members a drawn out, dramatic death.

Shou Sa's death was sad but it was not particularly dramatic; he got stabbed in one chapter and died just slowly enough to say goodbye in the next, and he got better than most.

Kyo Gai, who you failed to address, was torn to shreds out of nowhere and he had been with the unit since its inception. The most he got was a panel of his body and a final appearance in helping Kyou Kai back to the land of the living.

Gaku Rai, who had been with the unit for about a decade and who was arguably more important than Den Yuu (certainly in role), was killed very quickly by a superior foe. He got a flashback with the archer brothers and that was it.

Again, Bi Tou was the only one who got a drawn out, dramatic death.

Shou Sa probably felt sadder than most because his final moments were done really nicely in the manga, but you could just as easily argue Den Yuu's circumstances were just as - if not more - dramatic, regardless of Hara artistic choices.

While Shukai was no stroll in the park, they had comparable numbers and strong allies. If this is where Den Yuu dies, then he does so deep behind enemy lines, cut off from allies, surrounded on all fronts, wounded, compromised and desperate - yet never faltering a step behind his general. If this is where Den Yuu dies, he dies having defended his comrades and in securing the fall of Gian. It is a honourable death, one Hara could've made more dramatic if he made different artistic choices.
Let's hope he didn't die then 🙏
 
Korean Chapter's link :

https://manatoki153.net/comic/13654122?spage=1
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It sounds like finally know how the Saki Clan fight their opponents. :madmonk:
You were quite up to the mark like always Owl ....
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Chapter summary thanks to Jeeswah and the TKC :

HSU:
The HSU rushes into Gian and takes over the city. As they celebrate Denei says that the infantry have outdone themselves this time since it's because they took the gate that they were able to capture the castle. From a distance he sees people gathered by Denyuu and sees him on the ground and rushes over. He runs to Denyuu asking what happened and those around him are crying asking him to open his eyes. Kanto and the newbies are crying saying it's because they were so weak that they were an extra burden on Denyuu. Over by the stairs they call to Shin saying Ryusen isn't getting up and he's becoming really cold. The same thing is said about Chutetsuu who is also not moving. Denei refuses to believe that all three of them are down for the count like that.

Ten is given a report and rushes away while asking Mouten to take care of the end. As the others are grieving Kyoukai is silent while Rei asks her if she's okay. A HSU soldier asks what will happen to the HSU if they lose all three of them at once like this and Shin says it's his fault for pushing them too hard. Suugen says that it's not anyone's fault and this is the result of everyone giving their own best. Suugen tells him to get it together because Shin shouldn't drop his head at a time like this. Kanto says it's all his fault again.

Ten gets to Shin's spot the same time as the Saki clan. Shin tells them that he's not in the mood to deal with them right now and the Saki clan asks if that man still draws breath. Kanto says Denyuu's still breathing and the Saki clan says to give Denyuu to them. Shin tells them to stop spouting nonsense and the Saki clan says as a reward for taking Gian they will cure Denyuu. The others can't believe it because the Saki are known to be torturers and the thought of healing doesn't make sense with them. Ten asks if they can actually save him and the Saki says it could be too late already but the one thing that's for sure is that because they've spent so much time doing what they do they know the human body better than anyone else.

The Saki tells him to not hesitate if he wants to save Denyuu because they cannot bring a dead person back to life. Shin says if they fail to bring him back he won't leave them be and the Saki says it doesn't matter what he does but they'll do their best. The Saki clan head orders the soldiers to take Denyuu to another room and tells the HSU to bring water and boiled water. The three are brought into a room and the Saki clan begins surgery on them while Shin and the newbies wait outside the door. Shin remembers past memories with Denyuu and Ryusen. Chuutetsu never said a word but he's still in the memories too.

Gakuka:
Aisen says this time it was the HSU that did all the work. Rikusen asks Mouten about what he meant when he talked about the 2 conditions that need to met in order to survive after taking Gian. Mouten says the first condition is regarding Sekirei castle. They need to combine their strengths with any Kanki soldiers who survived and made it back there and rebuild their army. It was for something like this that they purposefully took Sekirei before attacking Gian. Rikusen says that they don't know how many of Kanki's soldiers could have survived and Aisen adds that the Riboku army could have retaken Sekirei when they left and headed north. Mouten agrees and says that's why he's relying on the strength of others because right now there's no way to check the condition of Sekirei from where they are.

When asked about the second condition Mouten says that it's if Kanki himself is still alive. That he's alive and that he'll show up to either Sekirei or Gian. If Kanki is able to take charge of one castle then they can take the other and the Qin can occupy two castles and split up their forces between them. After that, they will hold out for a day or so and hope that their reinforcements will arrive. A road that's paved in that way is the only way for them to get out of there alive. If Kanyou knows the situation they are sure to have sent reinforcements. Mouten's soldiers wonder if Kanki is actually still alive. Mouten says right now they can only hope and pray that he is. Aisen says it really is just relying on others at this point. Mouten looks over and says the sun is coming up.

HSU:
Naki is with the Saki clan and notices Shin coming up the stairs. As Naki begins to ask Shin about Denyuu and the others Shin yells out that the Saki clan is trash. However, right now it's thanks to their ability that the others were able to survive so he came to thank them as the captain. Shin says that although they'll be out of action for awhile all three of them managed to survive. It's unfortunate but it's all thanks to the Saki clan. The Saki clan head says that's good to hear and that Shin must thank the skills and knowledge they received as they messed with human lives. Naki asks if that's actually the reason they do what they do and the Saki clan says who knows. However, Kanki is not one to do things meaninglessly and him turning the Saki clan into what it is today was to fulfill various reasons for him.

No break next week!
 
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Korean Chapter's link :

https://manatoki153.net/comic/13654122?spage=1
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You were quite up to the mark like always Owl ....
:myman:
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Chapter summary thanks to Jeeswah and the TKC :

HSU:
The HSU rushes into Gian and takes over the city. As they celebrate Denei says that the infantry have outdone themselves this time since it's because they took the gate that they were able to capture the castle. From a distance he sees people gathered by Denyuu and sees him on the ground and rushes over. He runs to Denyuu asking what happened and those around him are crying asking him to open his eyes. Kanto and the newbies are crying saying it's because they were so weak that they were an extra burden on Denyuu. Over by the stairs they call to Shin saying Ryusen isn't getting up and he's becoming really cold. The same thing is said about Chutetsuu who is also not moving. Denei refuses to believe that all three of them are down for the count like that.

Ten is given a report and rushes away while asking Mouten to take care of the end. As the others are grieving Kyoukai is silent while Rei asks her if she's okay. A HSU soldier asks what will happen to the HSU if they lose all three of them at once like this and Shin says it's his fault for pushing them too hard. Suugen says that it's not anyone's fault and this is the result of everyone giving their own best. Suugen tells him to get it together because Shin shouldn't drop his head at a time like this. Kanto says it's all his fault again.

Ten gets to Shin's spot the same time as the Saki clan. Shin tells them that he's not in the mood to deal with them right now and the Saki clan asks if that man still draws breath. Kanto says Denyuu's still breathing and the Saki clan says to give Denyuu to them. Shin tells them to stop spouting nonsense and the Saki clan says as a reward for taking Gian they will cure Denyuu. The others can't believe it because the Saki are known to be torturers and the thought of healing doesn't make sense with them. Ten asks if they can actually save him and the Saki says it could be too late already but the one thing that's for sure is that because they've spent so much time doing what they do they know the human body better than anyone else.

The Saki tells him to not hesitate if he wants to save Denyuu because they cannot bring a dead person back to life. Shin says if they fail to bring him back he won't leave them be and the Saki says it doesn't matter what he does but they'll do their best. The Saki clan head orders the soldiers to take Denyuu to another room and tells the HSU to bring water and boiled water. The three are brought into a room and the Saki clan begins surgery on them while Shin and the newbies wait outside the door. Shin remembers past memories with Denyuu and Ryusen. Chuutetsu never said a word but he's still in the memories too.

Gakuka:
Aisen says this time it was the HSU that did all the work. Rikusen asks Mouten about what he meant when he talked about the 2 conditions that need to met in order to survive after taking Gian. Mouten says the first condition is regarding Sekirei castle. They need to combine their strengths with any Kanki soldiers who survived and made it back there and rebuild their army. It was for something like this that they purposefully took Sekirei before attacking Gian. Rikusen says that they don't know how many of Kanki's soldiers could have survived and Aisen adds that the Riboku army could have retaken Sekirei when they left and headed north. Mouten agrees and says that's why he's relying on the strength of others because right now there's no way to check the condition of Sekirei from where they are.

When asked about the second condition Mouten says that it's if Kanki himself is still alive. That he's alive and that he'll show up to either Sekirei or Gian. If Kanki is able to take charge of one castle then they can take the other and the Qin can occupy two castles and split up their forces between them. After that, they will hold out for a day or so and hope that their reinforcements will arrive. A road that's paved in that way is the only way for them to get out of there alive. If Kanyou knows the situation they are sure to have sent reinforcements. Mouten's soldiers wonder if Kanki is actually still alive. Mouten says right now they can only hope and pray that he is. Aisen says it really is just relying on others at this point. Mouten looks over and says the sun is coming up.

HSU:
Naki is with the Saki clan and notices Shin coming up the stairs. As Naki begins to ask Shin about Denyuu and the others Shin yells out that the Saki clan is trash. However, right now it's thanks to their ability that the others were able to survive so he came to thank them as the captain. Shin says that although they'll be out of action for awhile all three of them managed to survive. It's unfortunate but it's all thanks to the Saki clan. The Saki clan head says that's good to hear and that Shin must thank the skills and knowledge they received as they messed with human lives. Naki asks if that's actually the reason they do what they do and the Saki clan says who knows. However, Kanki is not one to do things meaninglessly and him turning the Saki clan into what it is today was to fulfill various reasons for him.

No break next week!
Humm, so guys, is that what a understand,the head of Saki clan make only this ritual with somebody they like it? So she like it Shin? So when Kanki dies, i remember people saying that Saki clan will be with Kyoukai, so Maybe it's true.
 
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