Powers & Abilities If Shanks and Roger are swordmen...

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#42
Lol if Black Blade turns out to be purely CoA related (peak of it or otherwise), this agenda will be some of biggest clownery in community history.

Right next to "WSS is about skills"
What agenda ?

Mihawk can have a better COA and something more, why not.

But he isn’t stronger than Roger

The two guys revered and hyped about their swords mastery were Ryuma and Mihawk. And those two are the most linked to Zoro, the next WSS and the next one to make a black blade.

They are One piece best swordsmen

Yet Roger is stronger.

So this means, Roger and co aren’t swordsmen like Mihawk and Ryuma, they aren’t walking the same path
 
#43
What agenda ?

Mihawk can have a better COA and something more, why not.

But he isn’t stronger than Roger

The two guys revered and hyped about their swords mastery were Ryuma and Mihawk. And those two are the most linked to Zoro, the next WSS and the next one to make a black blade.

They are One piece best swordsmen

Yet Roger is stronger.

So this means, Roger and co aren’t swordsmen like Mihawk and Ryuma, they aren’t walking the same path
Roger is safe because he was before Mihawk's time. There's no rule that you need to have a black blade in order to be the strongest swordsman.

Shanks, on the other hand, doesn't get the same treatment for very obvious reasons.
 
#44
If anything applying Coa/CoC to a sword requires more skills than applying it to the body (be it fists or legs), because you've to imprint your Haki to an external tool.

So if they can imprint their Haki on their swords they can do the same with their fists as it requires less skills.
The opposite doesn't and wouldn't make sense logically speaking.


Fucking Hyogoro without a sword wasn't helpless against opponents of his level and here some geniuses suggest that Mihawk and Zoro would be done without swords because...because "I said so".
As if their physical strenght, endurance, durability, Haki, agility, speed, reflexes etc. would be gone without their swords
 
#45
I think it's lack of CoA mastery. For a black blade, I assume, you would need both very strong CoA and the ability to create the perfect flow, since this is what enables the swordsman to become one with the blade and "cut everything and nothing". In terms of strength, I guess their CoA is sufficient, but they just couldn't translate it in the best way possible. In terms of skill/technique, Ryuma and Mihawk are just better.

Inb4 people will start making a distinction between skill and power: Skill here is power, because cutting through obstacles more efficiently results in stronger attacks.
 
#46
No that's what your negative iq ass is doing.

Shanks has only ever fought using a sword all his life
He has a BELOVED SWORD with a long history of battle.
Why did shanks fight mihawk then ? Was it for shits and giggles ?
Swordsmanship is not Shanks’ primary goal. I think you are negative IQ when you don’t get my post already debunking your reasoning. The characters themselves don’t put swordsmanship as their goal. Different ambitions period.
 
#47
Swordsmanship is not Shanks’ primary goal. Different ambitions period.
Yes, being the strongest is not Shanks' primary goal, hence he isn't as strong as Mihawk. Though I know what you have in mind: "Shanks is stronger, just not in swordsmanship". Which kinda doesn't make sense. Shanks is a pure swordsman without a DF and had the WSS as his rival (with Mihawk's sense of pride, he wouldn't just pick a guy as a rival whose swordsmanship is just a "random" ability).

Independently of Shanks' ambitions and goals, with swordsmanship, he is at his strongest.
 
#48
Yes, being the strongest is not Shanks' primary goal, hence he isn't as strong as Mihawk. Though I know what you have in mind: "Shanks is stronger, just not in swordsmanship". Which kinda doesn't make sense. Shanks is a pure swordsman without a DF and had the WSS as his rival (with Mihawk's sense of pride, he wouldn't just pick a guy as a rival whose swordsmanship is just a "random" ability).

Independently of Shanks' ambitions and goals, with swordsmanship, he is at his strongest.
Not even what I’m referring about strength or who’s stronger. Stop assuming. Mihawk is on that tier with Shanks among the strongest. My point is swordsmanship is not his primary goal, and that’s pretty clear. Using the black blade thing as some pinnacle of strength in general when it’s more specific about haki mastery and focused swordsmanship. Roger and Shanks had/have other ambitions that are more worldly (just saying as it’s true).
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#49
Swordsmanship is not Shanks’ primary goal. I think you are negative IQ when you don’t get my post already debunking your reasoning. The characters themselves don’t put swordsmanship as their goal. Different ambitions period.
Irrelevant zoros goal is to make luffy king above his own dream.
You've not debunked shit.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#51
Roger is safe because he was before Mihawk's time. There's no rule that you need to have a black blade in order to be the strongest swordsman.

Shanks, on the other hand, doesn't get the same treatment for very obvious reasons.
I don’t care about Roger being the WSS of his time or not

But don’t you think Roger being the strongest swordsmen in history doesn’t make any sense ?

When you compare him to Mihawk, Ryuma and Zoro. Guys really special with the sword ?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#52
The character’s portrayal, plot and dialogue says otherwise. Maybe you should get over your obvious bias for once. Being a fan of characters is one thing, but Jesus Christ.
Yes the portrayal shows he uses a sword all his life and a sword alone
Even in his own movie he is shown nothing more than a swordsman
 
#53
You can apply this dynamic to so many fields. You can have the current undisputed best wide receiver, but other people can play that position pretty damn good too. Using that fact to prove they are better at the sport overall above others in that caliber of skill doesn’t make sense.

A painter who focuses on painting could certainly be better at making paintings than an artist who happens to paint but works in other mediums as well consistently.

it’s simply a priority thing and focus. As neither Roger nor Shanks put in dialogue emphasis that they are interested in that. And we have many many characters who use swords but lack that code and focus Ryuuma, Zoro, and Mihawk shown. It’s really not that difficult to understand unless you got big black sword on your brain nonstop
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#54
No that's what your negative iq ass is doing.

Shanks has only ever fought using a sword all his life
He has a BELOVED SWORD with a long history of battle.
Why did shanks fight mihawk then ? Was it for shits and giggles ?
Did you forgett our arrangement HA001? I thought i dont need to stalk you guys, but when this appears on my eyes randomly...
I only warn you because you made it pretty far without insulting, normaly i could immediately take action out of our contract.
 
#60
What agenda ?

Mihawk can have a better COA and something more, why not.

But he isn’t stronger than Roger

The two guys revered and hyped about their swords mastery were Ryuma and Mihawk. And those two are the most linked to Zoro, the next WSS and the next one to make a black blade.

They are One piece best swordsmen

Yet Roger is stronger.

So this means, Roger and co aren’t swordsmen like Mihawk and Ryuma, they aren’t walking the same path
If Black Blade turns out to be majorly related to peak of CoA, then this entire agenda that Roger is "special" and not a normal "swordsman" is down the drain.

Then it just means that Roger is stronger swordsman than Mihawk, just that his CoA isn't as good.

There's no same path, this path, that path to being swordsman. You're either a Kenshi, or you're not. Zoro made it pretty damn obvious when he said he can't lose to the guy spitting fire and riding a unicycle majorly just because he's a Kenshi/Swordsman. All are included in his path to WSS.

No one gives a fuck about what kind of swordsman you are other than those with their agenda crumbling. Just like with men and creatures, only thing that matters is IF you're a swordsman or not. Yes or no. Only thing that matters in any argument regarding who's one.
 
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