Anime & Manga ZKK or not ZKK? Bet your account
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Or we didnt and he had no balls to go through with all the plotlines, not just ZKK? 
Plenty of people gave reasonable and logical explanations for why zkk would never happen based on the story so far and oda's writing style. But that was all ignored. Y'all have no one to blame but yourselves.
Yamato was not pointless. She was introduced as Kaido's offspring. The one who would continue his legacy. But unlike Bigmom's Children, she rebelled against Kaido. And helped the Samurai who were the one of the only people that showed her kindness. I'll agree with you that Oden cosplay was retarded though. Who could have stalled Kaido from the Alliances side? Everyone else was either occupied or worn out. And she also serves as a guardian for Wano, because Kaido being gone is prime opportunity for someone else to swoop in and be a new dictator. So she serves purposes.
The oden Journal was never meant to reveal the secrets at all. That is for the Straw hats to find out themselves Almost everyone knew this. So that's not that big of a deal.
Toki was a missed opportunity i agree. But, we are for sure gonna have a flashback to the Void century. And she might very well be an important part of it. Not every single thing has to be revealed all at once. Build up and foreshadowing are literary devices to be used.
Scabbards. I agree that there were too many of them. But, they aren't pointless either. Kinemon, Kanjuro and The Dukes were all very essential. Kinemon and Kanjuro is self explanatory. The dukes were important in Zou. And Zou is very important due to their connection with Wano and Kozuki, The Road poneglph, and Zunisha. And they were alright in Wano and Onigashima too. Kiku is also alright. She served as example of too much kindness being a detriment. Ashura Doji, Denjiro and Kawamatsu, while a little useless, served purposes. That being, The Army, Inside Info on Kaido and Orochi forces and Onigashima layout, And the Weapons. While Oda could have condensed these 3 into maybe 2 or even 1, They did serve purposes.
And not to mention them being the people that are deserving of and yearning for Vengeance against Kaido. They were the once to start the War. Without them, this would all be pointless.
Toki's Prophecy - This was also a missed opportunity. I agree.
Opening Wano's borders and Zunisha are still very important. Just because they didn't happen now doesn't mean they are bad. This is, once again, laying the ground work for the eventual events.
We did find out some stuff about Wano. The road poneglyph obviously. And also Pluton is there. And not to mention Sea stones. And i'm pretty sure we will find out more about it down the line. Wano importance, Opening Borders, Zunisha, Toki, Oden's journal. These things are all connected to the ultimate end goal. The void century secrets. So we will find out when we reach the goal. What these does is elevate the importance of the End goal, and give us some clues about it without completely telling us anything.
Imagine if a Murder mystery story just stated who was the murderer and how and why he did it, in the middle of the story. That would be what it's like if oda revealed all these right here. No point in the rest of the journey. Or at least most of the mystery and excitement would be gone.
The citizens finding out wasn't a big deal and wasn't made to be either. And legends are often shared rather than seen.
Sukiyaki was found out by the others iirc. And then he decided to confess. Also, the enemy was vanquished, so he didn't have to hide anything anymore to those close to him. He is still hidden from the rest of the Wano people.
Wano ore, It will also come into play later imo. The Vegapunk are has already mentioned Pyroblion, so it's possible we will learn more about it soon.
The wholw BM pirates were shoe horned in. I agree. We might get a little more out of them though, who knows.
GB was not without purpose in Wano. He does have a point in going there. But he was dumb about it, and that's his personality. Too eager to impress Akainu i guess. He served as the reason for Yamato staying in wano too.
Shanks and team was shoehorned in as well. I agree. But, Shanks made GB back away from wano. If he hadn't, an Admiral would have died. So not completely without purpose.
Kaido and BM awakening - We still don't know much about it. But it was bad writing that they didn't have it. I agree.
Arbel's race and their history is most likely gonna come up again. So, we will learn about it.
Scabbards nitoyru has nothing to do with bad writing. Them believing in Oden's words is not bad. Oden was cocky.
Kaido flashback - It was short i agree. But i'm sure we will learn more when we learn about Rocks. That was the implication in the Flashback too.
Zoro reaper stuff, i'm pretty sure it will come in to play once again.
Hiyori served as an emotional sink for Wano. While some of her execution was bad.
Ryuma grave - I agree, that was bad.
Onimaru served his purpose. He collected weapons for like 10 years alone.
Flag stuff - An admiral is not like any other enemy. There won't be many enemies of that level coming to Wano often. So, Luffy's flag, along with Yamato and the scabbards will deter any enemy from Wano along with it's natural barriers. And the flag thing is symbolic, to show that Wano is officially Luffy's territory.
Pluton will come in to play when Wano is opened. It ties into that and zunisha stuff and Wano importance. An ancient weapon is not pointless.
Zoro never called himself a Samurai. A samurai in OP is a warrior hailing from the nation of Wano. Zoro never said he was from wano, and Zoro has been a Straw hat pirate for years. Kaido can't read minds to know zoro's connection to wano lol. There was no build up for that either. Kaido said Wano Samurai were weak. And they were. They needed a ton of help after all. That's not bad writing. That's just characterization for Kaido.
There are many memorable moments in Wano. Oden boiling, Oden Flash back, Luffy chapter 1000. Chapter 1010. Bigmom's fall, Kaido's fall. Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen etc etc. Just cause you are biased and salty doesn't just magically erase these moments.
We don't have to find out some "crucial information" on every single arc. The strawhats gained Yonko level and notoriety and took down 2 Yonko with the alliance. Thats a worls changing event in OP. And the SHs got a step closer to Their main goal too.
And even then, we did learn important info in wano like Pluton's location, old wano etc etc. You are treating every arc like an info dump. That isn't organic story telling. We are supposed to know about things when they come into play. Not right when they are mentioned.
I don't have much opinion on Luffy G5. It's weird i agree. But it's not that out of place within the wacky world of one piece at all. I do hate how it ruined luffy's "hard work" though.
The reaction of the World to Kaido's and BM's defeat is what we are dealing with right now. Black beard and Shanks are making moves they wouldn't have made if Kaido and BM didn't lose. And we will see more of the consequences.
But, Doffy and Kaido are very different. Kaido was an emperor who ruled his territories with fear. Doffy was a Warlord who ruled a single kingdom, and he was the underworld broker. So when Doffy fell, there were no one that could fill his role right away because he had many connections and they were now lost. But that void did get filled by Buggy.
But, Kaido was a ruler. He wasn't a broker. So it was easy enough for someone to replace him and BM as a new power. And they did.
The reaction of the world would be to the ones who took them down. And from these last chapters, we have seen some of it. Black beard waiting to ambush one of the Captain trio is a direct reaction to Kaido's demise. And as the story progresses, We will see more reactions to Kaido's fall and The Stawhats rise.
The bottom line is, you think Wano should have just revealed all the secrets and information right away. That's not how Stories work.
And, none of these Plotlines were hyped as much as ZKK at all by zoro fans. ZKK was a failed theory from it's inception. Many of the dropped plotlines you laid out are supposed to happen later. But ZKK was not. Zoro stans took every little thing as evidence for it and deluded themselves into thinking that Zoro would actually kill the Main villain of an Arc that was built up for years. When a little common sense would have sufficed to ask yourselves "would oda reaally let Zoro shine more than the fricking MC and pirate jesus Monkey D fucking Luffy?"
Remember the rice bowl with the picture of a dragon? Tell me how that confirmed ZKK at the time? It didn't. But that didn't stop Zoro fans from acting like ZKK basically already happened when that color page dropped.
Confirmation Bias
The tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
This literally describes Zoro fandom and ZKK. You guys ignored all the evidence and reason against ZKK. And selected only the evidence that were partial to the ZKK narrative. And when that didn't happen, basically the whole story was ruined for you guys. That was not Oda or Sanji fans or Luffy fans or anyone elses doing. That was all Zoro fans doing.
I might have made some mistakes or forgot something. So please do be mindful of that.
The oden Journal was never meant to reveal the secrets at all. That is for the Straw hats to find out themselves Almost everyone knew this. So that's not that big of a deal.
Toki was a missed opportunity i agree. But, we are for sure gonna have a flashback to the Void century. And she might very well be an important part of it. Not every single thing has to be revealed all at once. Build up and foreshadowing are literary devices to be used.
Scabbards. I agree that there were too many of them. But, they aren't pointless either. Kinemon, Kanjuro and The Dukes were all very essential. Kinemon and Kanjuro is self explanatory. The dukes were important in Zou. And Zou is very important due to their connection with Wano and Kozuki, The Road poneglph, and Zunisha. And they were alright in Wano and Onigashima too. Kiku is also alright. She served as example of too much kindness being a detriment. Ashura Doji, Denjiro and Kawamatsu, while a little useless, served purposes. That being, The Army, Inside Info on Kaido and Orochi forces and Onigashima layout, And the Weapons. While Oda could have condensed these 3 into maybe 2 or even 1, They did serve purposes.
And not to mention them being the people that are deserving of and yearning for Vengeance against Kaido. They were the once to start the War. Without them, this would all be pointless.
Toki's Prophecy - This was also a missed opportunity. I agree.
Opening Wano's borders and Zunisha are still very important. Just because they didn't happen now doesn't mean they are bad. This is, once again, laying the ground work for the eventual events.
We did find out some stuff about Wano. The road poneglyph obviously. And also Pluton is there. And not to mention Sea stones. And i'm pretty sure we will find out more about it down the line. Wano importance, Opening Borders, Zunisha, Toki, Oden's journal. These things are all connected to the ultimate end goal. The void century secrets. So we will find out when we reach the goal. What these does is elevate the importance of the End goal, and give us some clues about it without completely telling us anything.
Imagine if a Murder mystery story just stated who was the murderer and how and why he did it, in the middle of the story. That would be what it's like if oda revealed all these right here. No point in the rest of the journey. Or at least most of the mystery and excitement would be gone.
The citizens finding out wasn't a big deal and wasn't made to be either. And legends are often shared rather than seen.
Sukiyaki was found out by the others iirc. And then he decided to confess. Also, the enemy was vanquished, so he didn't have to hide anything anymore to those close to him. He is still hidden from the rest of the Wano people.
Wano ore, It will also come into play later imo. The Vegapunk are has already mentioned Pyroblion, so it's possible we will learn more about it soon.
The wholw BM pirates were shoe horned in. I agree. We might get a little more out of them though, who knows.
GB was not without purpose in Wano. He does have a point in going there. But he was dumb about it, and that's his personality. Too eager to impress Akainu i guess. He served as the reason for Yamato staying in wano too.
Shanks and team was shoehorned in as well. I agree. But, Shanks made GB back away from wano. If he hadn't, an Admiral would have died. So not completely without purpose.
Kaido and BM awakening - We still don't know much about it. But it was bad writing that they didn't have it. I agree.
Arbel's race and their history is most likely gonna come up again. So, we will learn about it.
Scabbards nitoyru has nothing to do with bad writing. Them believing in Oden's words is not bad. Oden was cocky.
Kaido flashback - It was short i agree. But i'm sure we will learn more when we learn about Rocks. That was the implication in the Flashback too.
Zoro reaper stuff, i'm pretty sure it will come in to play once again.
Hiyori served as an emotional sink for Wano. While some of her execution was bad.
Ryuma grave - I agree, that was bad.
Onimaru served his purpose. He collected weapons for like 10 years alone.
Flag stuff - An admiral is not like any other enemy. There won't be many enemies of that level coming to Wano often. So, Luffy's flag, along with Yamato and the scabbards will deter any enemy from Wano along with it's natural barriers. And the flag thing is symbolic, to show that Wano is officially Luffy's territory.
Pluton will come in to play when Wano is opened. It ties into that and zunisha stuff and Wano importance. An ancient weapon is not pointless.
Zoro never called himself a Samurai. A samurai in OP is a warrior hailing from the nation of Wano. Zoro never said he was from wano, and Zoro has been a Straw hat pirate for years. Kaido can't read minds to know zoro's connection to wano lol. There was no build up for that either. Kaido said Wano Samurai were weak. And they were. They needed a ton of help after all. That's not bad writing. That's just characterization for Kaido.
There are many memorable moments in Wano. Oden boiling, Oden Flash back, Luffy chapter 1000. Chapter 1010. Bigmom's fall, Kaido's fall. Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen etc etc. Just cause you are biased and salty doesn't just magically erase these moments.
We don't have to find out some "crucial information" on every single arc. The strawhats gained Yonko level and notoriety and took down 2 Yonko with the alliance. Thats a worls changing event in OP. And the SHs got a step closer to Their main goal too.
And even then, we did learn important info in wano like Pluton's location, old wano etc etc. You are treating every arc like an info dump. That isn't organic story telling. We are supposed to know about things when they come into play. Not right when they are mentioned.
I don't have much opinion on Luffy G5. It's weird i agree. But it's not that out of place within the wacky world of one piece at all. I do hate how it ruined luffy's "hard work" though.
The reaction of the World to Kaido's and BM's defeat is what we are dealing with right now. Black beard and Shanks are making moves they wouldn't have made if Kaido and BM didn't lose. And we will see more of the consequences.
But, Doffy and Kaido are very different. Kaido was an emperor who ruled his territories with fear. Doffy was a Warlord who ruled a single kingdom, and he was the underworld broker. So when Doffy fell, there were no one that could fill his role right away because he had many connections and they were now lost. But that void did get filled by Buggy.
But, Kaido was a ruler. He wasn't a broker. So it was easy enough for someone to replace him and BM as a new power. And they did.
The reaction of the world would be to the ones who took them down. And from these last chapters, we have seen some of it. Black beard waiting to ambush one of the Captain trio is a direct reaction to Kaido's demise. And as the story progresses, We will see more reactions to Kaido's fall and The Stawhats rise.
The bottom line is, you think Wano should have just revealed all the secrets and information right away. That's not how Stories work.
And, none of these Plotlines were hyped as much as ZKK at all by zoro fans. ZKK was a failed theory from it's inception. Many of the dropped plotlines you laid out are supposed to happen later. But ZKK was not. Zoro stans took every little thing as evidence for it and deluded themselves into thinking that Zoro would actually kill the Main villain of an Arc that was built up for years. When a little common sense would have sufficed to ask yourselves "would oda reaally let Zoro shine more than the fricking MC and pirate jesus Monkey D fucking Luffy?"
Remember the rice bowl with the picture of a dragon? Tell me how that confirmed ZKK at the time? It didn't. But that didn't stop Zoro fans from acting like ZKK basically already happened when that color page dropped.
Confirmation Bias
The tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
This literally describes Zoro fandom and ZKK. You guys ignored all the evidence and reason against ZKK. And selected only the evidence that were partial to the ZKK narrative. And when that didn't happen, basically the whole story was ruined for you guys. That was not Oda or Sanji fans or Luffy fans or anyone elses doing. That was all Zoro fans doing.
I might have made some mistakes or forgot something. So please do be mindful of that.
She serves no purpose and she didnt achieve anything. Completely pointless character that was unnecessary.
Luffy's name couldnt guard Wano from Green Bull, Yamato wont achieve that either.
A character that repeated the whole arc how she will join SHs only to be sacked by Oda and not do it, as expected.
Seems like nothing was important enough to be revealed in Wano.
Toki revealed nothing. Scabbards achieved nothing, ultimately didnt get to do anything meaningful.
The prophecy isnt missed opportunity. It has been cut off, like ZKK has been. You didnt say ZKK is a missed opportunity...
You do know that Zunisha came and left without doing nothing?
Opening borders is ultimate goal of the arc and we have never left an arc without achieving such a goal. You are trying to brush it off as "laying the ground work for eventual events" while you ignore all the ground work for ZKK as delusions of fandom.
WG ships came and left without doing anything, just like Zunisha lol. In fact, everything was sacked we didnt even get to see them leave.
It was a big deal because they were completely clueless, never happened before.
We wouldnt have to guess about Wano's ore if Oda didnt dip out of Wano in half the time it took him to dip out of Dressrosa.
We didnt get anything from them in Wano because everything was abandoned.
Actually, GB being in Wano ruins many things and proves the "Wano's guardian" narrative wrong.
GB would not die with Shanks scaring him off. There was no narrative build-up for his death.
Luffy got awakening while Kaido and Big Mom, the veteran pirates didnt get it... Simply cut off, both should have returned.
Arbel is gone and no one is around to tell why he was specifically waiting for Joyboy.
Scabbards believing nittoryu is greatest is bad writing because Santoryu is greater. Oda didnt show them Zoro's greatness.
You skipped a whole lot of other points here...
Point is, Wano was the perfect spot to spill the beans and Reaper is just one of many sacked plotlines.
Ryuma's grave isnt bad, it didnt happen whatsoever, together with many other things. I told you, this is far from ZKK alone.
Onimaru did nothing, Kawamatsu collected them too, Onimaru's purpose was to recognize Zoro as Ushimaru's lookalike. Didnt happen.
We will see if the flag will do anything considering that I suspect that Pluton will fall into someone else's hands.
You forgot that Zoro grew up in Shimotsuki village's culture who happen to be samurai from Wano.
Kaido indeed cant read minds, that's why Oda has to explain it but he preferred to sack all of it.
Samurai needed someone who restores their former glory and nobody did that while Oda said they managed to do it.
That is proof that he sacked all of ZKK plotline that should have returned glory to the samurai.
Aside from Oden's boiling, none of those are worthy of remembering. There is one memorable moment from TB, it's Zoro's Nothing Happened and that's Odens boiling, in 10 years nobody will remember Luffy's shit from ch1000 or 1010 because it simply isnt an impactful moment.
We absolutely do need to find crucial information in a 4 year long arc that had 12 years of build-up. Didnt happen, sacked, all of it.
World-changing event that lost two Emperors and gained two Emperors? Seems like we are back to square one, lol.
Luffy had Yonko status before Wano. What main goal did SHs get closer to? Many of the SHs didnt do anything...
There is no reaction of the world to their defeat because, like I said, we are back to square one. Their positions are filled, Yonko deadlock is still in place instead of getting torn down. Blackbeard made a step forward only to take 2 steps back. Shanks did nothing.
There are no Kaido's territories, we only got to see Wano and an island in stripes in the cover story... Doffy's loss was far more impactful because it's really not hard to outdo no impact whatsoever...
Blackbeard's ambush has nothing to do with it. BB could have sent Shiryu to make a rubbing of Kaido's PG rubbing and he wouldnt need Law at all. Egghead and Elbaf wont show anything about Kaido's fall because it is irrelevant to them.
Yes, Wano should have revealed a lot of stuff instead of revealing nothing and instead adding more stuff that needs to be revealed...
Wano was end game, adding more work is no longer viable, the story needs answers instead of more mysteries that may never be addressed because we just saw that Oda can walk out of the mega arc without addressing anything.
ZKK wasnt hyped either. Its fame came from anti-ZKK people fearing it so much. ZKK wasnt a theory, it was obvious build up that you keep ignoring. Many of the plot lines I lined up you agreed or skipped without addressing, you dont want to admit that plenty of stuff was abandoned and ZKK is simply one of them. And what is wrong with Zoro killing a main villain? MCbros being upset? Who cares, lol...
Oda should have let Zoro shine more than MC Luffy because Luffy would have survived just as would have his sensitive fans. Kaido was simply not Luffy's job. Whole Wano was not Luffy's job. Wano should have happened simultaneously with WCI while Luffy isnt present.
Rice bowl is one of many hints that contributed to the whole ZKK build-up. If you want to actually understand ZKK, read Samurai and Dragons. You are simply clueless that Luffy vs Kaido has no build-up whatsoever when compared to a samurai vs Kaido and Zoro is the only samurai among the main cast. Luffy is the unwanted intruder in the whole thing and thus should never have been part of Wano battle and instead should have defeated LinLin in WCI while Zoro kills Kaido in Wano.
There is no evidence against ZKK except MCbros being butthurt and nobody cares about that. That is not evidence.
You still want to ignore the huge build-up for ZKK and pretend that things like rice bowl is all there is, lmao.
Zoro fans didnt do anything except read what Oda laid out there for us to read, while yall pretended it didnt exist.
The fear of anti-ZKK ppl is what made ZKK so popular. If there was no mountain of evidence for it, everyone would have ignored ZKK instead of crying about it. Nobody gets to pretend like it was Zoro fans' imagination because it simply wasnt.
Oda had no balls to go through with something that he built up for a long, long time.
Luffy's name couldnt guard Wano from Green Bull, Yamato wont achieve that either.
A character that repeated the whole arc how she will join SHs only to be sacked by Oda and not do it, as expected.
Seems like nothing was important enough to be revealed in Wano.
Toki revealed nothing. Scabbards achieved nothing, ultimately didnt get to do anything meaningful.
The prophecy isnt missed opportunity. It has been cut off, like ZKK has been. You didnt say ZKK is a missed opportunity...
You do know that Zunisha came and left without doing nothing?
Opening borders is ultimate goal of the arc and we have never left an arc without achieving such a goal. You are trying to brush it off as "laying the ground work for eventual events" while you ignore all the ground work for ZKK as delusions of fandom.
WG ships came and left without doing anything, just like Zunisha lol. In fact, everything was sacked we didnt even get to see them leave.
It was a big deal because they were completely clueless, never happened before.
We wouldnt have to guess about Wano's ore if Oda didnt dip out of Wano in half the time it took him to dip out of Dressrosa.
We didnt get anything from them in Wano because everything was abandoned.
Actually, GB being in Wano ruins many things and proves the "Wano's guardian" narrative wrong.
GB would not die with Shanks scaring him off. There was no narrative build-up for his death.
Luffy got awakening while Kaido and Big Mom, the veteran pirates didnt get it... Simply cut off, both should have returned.
Arbel is gone and no one is around to tell why he was specifically waiting for Joyboy.
Scabbards believing nittoryu is greatest is bad writing because Santoryu is greater. Oda didnt show them Zoro's greatness.
You skipped a whole lot of other points here...
Point is, Wano was the perfect spot to spill the beans and Reaper is just one of many sacked plotlines.
Ryuma's grave isnt bad, it didnt happen whatsoever, together with many other things. I told you, this is far from ZKK alone.
Onimaru did nothing, Kawamatsu collected them too, Onimaru's purpose was to recognize Zoro as Ushimaru's lookalike. Didnt happen.
We will see if the flag will do anything considering that I suspect that Pluton will fall into someone else's hands.
You forgot that Zoro grew up in Shimotsuki village's culture who happen to be samurai from Wano.
Kaido indeed cant read minds, that's why Oda has to explain it but he preferred to sack all of it.
Samurai needed someone who restores their former glory and nobody did that while Oda said they managed to do it.
That is proof that he sacked all of ZKK plotline that should have returned glory to the samurai.
Aside from Oden's boiling, none of those are worthy of remembering. There is one memorable moment from TB, it's Zoro's Nothing Happened and that's Odens boiling, in 10 years nobody will remember Luffy's shit from ch1000 or 1010 because it simply isnt an impactful moment.
We absolutely do need to find crucial information in a 4 year long arc that had 12 years of build-up. Didnt happen, sacked, all of it.
World-changing event that lost two Emperors and gained two Emperors? Seems like we are back to square one, lol.
Luffy had Yonko status before Wano. What main goal did SHs get closer to? Many of the SHs didnt do anything...
There is no reaction of the world to their defeat because, like I said, we are back to square one. Their positions are filled, Yonko deadlock is still in place instead of getting torn down. Blackbeard made a step forward only to take 2 steps back. Shanks did nothing.
There are no Kaido's territories, we only got to see Wano and an island in stripes in the cover story... Doffy's loss was far more impactful because it's really not hard to outdo no impact whatsoever...
Blackbeard's ambush has nothing to do with it. BB could have sent Shiryu to make a rubbing of Kaido's PG rubbing and he wouldnt need Law at all. Egghead and Elbaf wont show anything about Kaido's fall because it is irrelevant to them.
Yes, Wano should have revealed a lot of stuff instead of revealing nothing and instead adding more stuff that needs to be revealed...
Wano was end game, adding more work is no longer viable, the story needs answers instead of more mysteries that may never be addressed because we just saw that Oda can walk out of the mega arc without addressing anything.
ZKK wasnt hyped either. Its fame came from anti-ZKK people fearing it so much. ZKK wasnt a theory, it was obvious build up that you keep ignoring. Many of the plot lines I lined up you agreed or skipped without addressing, you dont want to admit that plenty of stuff was abandoned and ZKK is simply one of them. And what is wrong with Zoro killing a main villain? MCbros being upset? Who cares, lol...
Oda should have let Zoro shine more than MC Luffy because Luffy would have survived just as would have his sensitive fans. Kaido was simply not Luffy's job. Whole Wano was not Luffy's job. Wano should have happened simultaneously with WCI while Luffy isnt present.
Rice bowl is one of many hints that contributed to the whole ZKK build-up. If you want to actually understand ZKK, read Samurai and Dragons. You are simply clueless that Luffy vs Kaido has no build-up whatsoever when compared to a samurai vs Kaido and Zoro is the only samurai among the main cast. Luffy is the unwanted intruder in the whole thing and thus should never have been part of Wano battle and instead should have defeated LinLin in WCI while Zoro kills Kaido in Wano.
There is no evidence against ZKK except MCbros being butthurt and nobody cares about that. That is not evidence.
You still want to ignore the huge build-up for ZKK and pretend that things like rice bowl is all there is, lmao.
Zoro fans didnt do anything except read what Oda laid out there for us to read, while yall pretended it didnt exist.
The fear of anti-ZKK ppl is what made ZKK so popular. If there was no mountain of evidence for it, everyone would have ignored ZKK instead of crying about it. Nobody gets to pretend like it was Zoro fans' imagination because it simply wasnt.
Oda had no balls to go through with something that he built up for a long, long time.
Definitely there were groundworks for the theory.
but why does oda have no balls for letting go of ZKK?
If he has the audacity to change Luffy DF near end of a story and change it to looney tunes, simultaneously risking the popularity of one piece and his story. Did he preferred looney tunes story more than the samurai and dragons part? Wasnt it his childhood drama of drawing looney tunes. Or is it???
The core issue of this part is, ODA has never called his story as a work of fiction. He is building his own story and living his dreams. It is possible, he may have scrapped several theories just like ZKK, because he just wants his narrative of putting luffy toones over everything else. Dont we scrap several ideas ourself when going for a project? Whats wrong in it? So narratively i believe luffy is over everyone else.
The question remains
(1) Are we having fun?
Majority of this forum may not be. But i am having fun.
(2) Is Oda having fun?
Definitely a big YES
Now criticize as much as you want but int he end he is having fun.
but why does oda have no balls for letting go of ZKK?
If he has the audacity to change Luffy DF near end of a story and change it to looney tunes, simultaneously risking the popularity of one piece and his story. Did he preferred looney tunes story more than the samurai and dragons part? Wasnt it his childhood drama of drawing looney tunes. Or is it???
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The core issue of this part is, ODA has never called his story as a work of fiction. He is building his own story and living his dreams. It is possible, he may have scrapped several theories just like ZKK, because he just wants his narrative of putting luffy toones over everything else. Dont we scrap several ideas ourself when going for a project? Whats wrong in it? So narratively i believe luffy is over everyone else.
The question remains
(1) Are we having fun?
Majority of this forum may not be. But i am having fun.
(2) Is Oda having fun?
Definitely a big YES
Now criticize as much as you want but int he end he is having fun.
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Because he has no balls to let Zoro overwhelmingly overshadow Luffy.
Because he didnt finish what he was building up for so long and with great effort, mind you.
Because of the mindless insert of Luffy into every situation, he constantly keeps ruining his own work despite him "having fun".
Pick one of the following options:
1 - So anti-ZKK bois can be mad at me.
2 - Because I never agreed to it.
Which one do you prefer more?
Because he didnt finish what he was building up for so long and with great effort, mind you.
Because of the mindless insert of Luffy into every situation, he constantly keeps ruining his own work despite him "having fun".
Pick one of the following options:
1 - So anti-ZKK bois can be mad at me.
2 - Because I never agreed to it.
Which one do you prefer more?
Because he has no balls to let Zoro overwhelmingly overshadow Luffy.
Because he didnt finish what he was building up for so long and with great effort, mind you.
Because of the mindless insert of Luffy into every situation, he constantly keeps ruining his own work despite him "having fun".
Pick one of the following options:
1 - So anti-ZKK bois can be mad at me.
2 - Because I never agreed to it.
Which one do you prefer more?
Because he didnt finish what he was building up for so long and with great effort, mind you.
Because of the mindless insert of Luffy into every situation, he constantly keeps ruining his own work despite him "having fun".
Pick one of the following options:
1 - So anti-ZKK bois can be mad at me.
2 - Because I never agreed to it.
Which one do you prefer more?
You bet your account Nikky, it's okay if you're too scared to follow through with it but don't pretend like you never made the bet
biggest pussy ever
See, your hate for luffy is way greater than your love for zoro. What if oda already thinks zoro has done enough and translated through the acknowledgement from kaido. So he further did not wanted to focus on zoro.
You wanted Zoro to have the individual accolade but infact straw hat pirates collectively has taken the accolades. Zoro has already got the respect as a great samurai he deserves from the wano citizens, peer wano samurais, scabbards and the shogun himself.
Mind you ODA has preferred luffy over everyone else. So it is natural for him to not let anybody outshine luffy.
If you were the writer of one piece, i bet you would make zoro kill all the beast pirates by himself, that too in one swing of blade. You would even make luffy as a cabin boy in the green haired pirates crew.
Conclusion : its a case of selection bias. Everyone has its preference. Oda prefers luffy more.
You wanted Zoro to have the individual accolade but infact straw hat pirates collectively has taken the accolades. Zoro has already got the respect as a great samurai he deserves from the wano citizens, peer wano samurais, scabbards and the shogun himself.
Mind you ODA has preferred luffy over everyone else. So it is natural for him to not let anybody outshine luffy.
If you were the writer of one piece, i bet you would make zoro kill all the beast pirates by himself, that too in one swing of blade. You would even make luffy as a cabin boy in the green haired pirates crew.
Conclusion : its a case of selection bias. Everyone has its preference. Oda prefers luffy more.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Oda himself said - This is a story of how once mighty samurai returned their glory.
The same guy who didnt show samurai return their former glory said that they did.
The same guy who drew Zoro say - I am here to cut Kaido into pieces.
If you have trouble remembering samurai former glory - nobody dared enter Wano due to Ryuma.
Is the former glory returned by sacking all the plotlines in Wano, including the center figure - Zoro?
Are you aware that Luffy had no plotlines in Wano whatsoever?
There was no narrative requirement for Luffy's presence in Wano whatsoever.
Indeed, Oda prefers Luffy more and that is the problem. He inserts Luffy where Luffy shouldnt be.
It's funny how you are perfectly aware of that and still dont see it as a problem.
Because of Luffy bias considering he is your fave?
Oda himself said - This is a story of how once mighty samurai returned their glory.
The same guy who didnt show samurai return their former glory said that they did.
The same guy who drew Zoro say - I am here to cut Kaido into pieces.
If you have trouble remembering samurai former glory - nobody dared enter Wano due to Ryuma.
Is the former glory returned by sacking all the plotlines in Wano, including the center figure - Zoro?
Are you aware that Luffy had no plotlines in Wano whatsoever?
There was no narrative requirement for Luffy's presence in Wano whatsoever.
Indeed, Oda prefers Luffy more and that is the problem. He inserts Luffy where Luffy shouldnt be.
It's funny how you are perfectly aware of that and still dont see it as a problem.
Because of Luffy bias considering he is your fave?
