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[Psychiatrist]

Oda himself said - This is a story of how once mighty samurai returned their glory.
The same guy who didnt show samurai return their former glory said that they did.
The same guy who drew Zoro say - I am here to cut Kaido into pieces.

Kaido still finds the samurai of wano weak, but he aknowledges zoro as a worthy swordsman able to cut him after oden. Kaido has no idea zoro may be a samurai descendent from wano unless he had a gossip with him, so he indirectly acknowledges the wano samurai. But now since he is dead, that shouldnt matter. What we know is zoro (a samurai) and his captain and nakama alike has returned the glory of wano to Its former self. Author knows, we readers also know. Time and time again momo and scabbards have thanked luffy and zoro in the same bracket of sentence. Isnt it enough?
Now if you think he alone should have returned the glory is another discussion.

If you have trouble remembering samurai former glory - nobody dared enter Wano due to Ryuma.
Is the former glory returned by sacking all the plotlines in Wano, including the center figure - Zoro?

The Formal glory was all about Ryuma by hype alone preventing marines and pirates from invading wano. Since zoro will not be staying in wano forever - That level of hype should be maintained by the one residing in wano itself, that should be the new shogun - the ultimate samurai, the student of master teacher - WGS zoro.

There was no narrative requirement for Luffy's presence in Wano whatsoever.

Luffy had started the war with kaido himself by defeating doflamingo, which further strengthened by assuring momo that he will takedown kaido. Not zoro....
his presence in wano and defeating kaido was sealed since then.
Regarding big mom, no the straw hat pirates were not capable of defeating both the yonkos and their crews in a parrallel arc.

 

[FriedLiver]

Pick one of the following options:
1 - So anti-ZKK bois can be mad at me.
2 - Because I never agreed to it.

You bet your account, yes or no?

 

[nik87]

You bet your account, yes or no?

Option 1 or option 2?

Kaido still finds the samurai of wano weak, but he aknowledges zoro as a worthy swordsman able to cut him after oden. Kaido has no idea zoro may be a samurai descendent from wano unless he had a gossip with him, so he indirectly acknowledges the wano samurai. But now since he is dead, that shouldnt matter. What we know is zoro (a samurai) and his captain and nakama alike has returned the glory of wano to Its former self. Author knows, we readers also know. Time and time again momo and scabbards have thanked luffy and zoro in the same bracket of sentence. Isnt it enough?
Now if you think he alone should have returned the glory is another discussion.

Luffy's part could have ended as it did. Kaido should have returned for ZKK which Oda had no balls to do.
That way Luffy got his 5 minutes and everything else proceeds as the build up demands but No, let's do none of that.
Samurai of Wano have not returned to former glory as they are weaklings as Kaido said and you acknowledged.

The only samurai who is worthy of their former glory didnt get the glory. You cant compare Ryuma's glory and Zoro's glory.
There is no former glory because there is no fear of samurai that makes even the leader of Navy think twice about going in.
That can only be achieved by killing Kaido, the previous fear that kept everyone out of Wano.

Since zoro will not be staying in wano forever - That level of hype should be maintained by the one residing in wano itself, that should be the new shogun - the ultimate samurai, the student of master teacher - WGS zoro.

It doesnt need to be known that it was Zoro, what was needed to be known is that a samurai has killed the unkillable.

Luffy had started the war with kaido himself by defeating doflamingo, which further strengthened by assuring momo that he will takedown kaido. Not zoro....
his presence in wano and defeating kaido was sealed since then.
Regarding big mom, no the straw hat pirates were not capable of defeating both the yonkos and their crews in a parrallel arc.

Zoro came to Wano to kill Kaido, not Luffy. Law stopped SAD production, not Luffy.
There was absolute no need for Luffy because it wasnt neither his plan nor is he able to kill Kaido.
Luffy should have stayed in WCI and defeat Big Mom and that was easily doable.

Simply give him power-ups each time she trashes him, just like it happened in Wano.
SHs had plenty of forces to trash entire Totland. They had Jinbe and Sun Pirates as well as Caesar and Firetank pirates on top of Germa66.
Sanji should have gotten Katakuri fight, Jinbe takes out Smoothie while Luffy gets Cracker and LinLin.
Wano had half the Strawhats, Heart Pirates, Kidd pirates, Minks and Samurai of Wano including Yamato and Marco.

 

[FriedLiver]

Option 1 or option 2?

Why are yup trying to complicate this? If you made a bet you should honour it, otherwise you are a pussy

Why do you talk about people “being mad” like that matters?Are you such a pussy that care about people’s opinions?

 

[nik87]

Why are yup trying to complicate this? If you made a bet you should honour it, otherwise you are a pussy

Why do you talk about people “being mad” like that matters?Are you such a pussy that care about people’s opinions?

I'll take that as option 1 - you being mad.

 

[FriedLiver]

I'll take that as option 1 - you being mad.

Yeah because I am the one writing paragraphs , being mad at Oda lol. Oda complete shat on your passion that was this Zoro obsession, we can tell you’re mad

You are so attached to an internet forum so you go back on your words like a bitch

How we are surrounded by sad miserable people like you.

 

[nik87]

Yeah because I am the one writing paragraphs , being mad at Oda lol. Oda complete shat on your passion that was this Zoro obsession, we can tell you’re mad

You are so attached to an internet forum so you go back on your words like a bitch

How we are surrounded by sad miserable people like you.

I was angry at Oda for messing up royally but now I can only laugh.
You are, on the other hand, simply mad. Can you spot the difference?

 

[FriedLiver]

I was angry at Oda for messing up royally but now I can only laugh.
You are, on the other hand, simply mad. Can you spot the difference?

The only thing I’m able to spot from the way you’re acting is that your romantic life must be going very great lol

So must many of the other swordsman on here 😂

 

[nik87]

I can tell by the way you’re acting that your romantic life must be great lol
So must many of the other swordsman on here 😂

So you went from being proven mad to talking about other people's romantic life?

 

[FriedLiver]

So you went from being proven mad to talking about other people's romantic life?

That’s right buddy, you were right.

good on you you “won” an internet debate

It must feel great winning internet debates 😂

 

[nik87]

That’s right buddy, you were right.

good on you you “won” an internet debate

It must feel great winning internet debates 😂

I wasnt in an internet debate until you became mad at me.

 

[Psychiatrist]

It doesnt need to be known that it was Zoro, what was needed to be known is that a samurai has killed the unkillable.

Dude, there were CP0 watching the minute details of the war. Definitely they would have known, who killed kaido.

The only samurai who is worthy of their former glory didnt get the glory. You cant compare Ryuma's glory and Zoro's glory.
There is no former glory because there is no fear of samurai that makes even the leader of Navy think twice about going in.

Its too early for zoro to get Ryumas level of glory that was span across decades. He is collecting accolades from famous individuals like vegapunk, et al. He will surpass that glory after defeating current WGS mihawk.

That can only be achieved by killing Kaido, the previous fear that kept everyone out of Wano.

In the end, That forest guy came after wano knowing luffy just killed kaido. It wouldnt matter too if it was zoro killing kaido. So one of the reasoning of yours that no one will invade wano after kaido being killed by zoro is invalid.

Why not let kaido be killed by the inhabitant of wano in the first place itself. It would have been better if the shogun momo himself would have killed kaido after he was defeated. He had the body of Oden to wield both his katanas. And with a little bit of rage power momo could have definitely killed kaido. That way they could actually be capable of defending from the invaders, rather than just being a weak ass depending upon the straw hat pirates.
Even though cliched " the tale of dead fathers revenge" would have been far more better.

Zoro came to Wano to kill Kaido, not Luffy. Law stopped SAD production, not Luffy.
There was absolute no need for Luffy because it wasnt neither his plan nor is he able to kill Kaido.
Luffy should have stayed in WCI and defeat Big Mom and that was easily doable.

What are you saying? Luffy already had intention in defeating Kaido. He was far more interested in Kaido than big mom. WCI was only a side quest for Luffy in retrieving sanji. After all the path towards becoming Pirate king does require him defeating the strongest pirate out there. Zoro had no business with kaido at all. But i believe he was robbed off from a great feat of cutting King in his flame-on mode.

 

[Reborn]

Why this thread is still active lol

 

[FriedLiver]

I wasnt in an internet debate until you became mad at me.

Dude, no one cares about some spineless nerd like you. You are just an annoying person. Something majorly wrong with you makes you act this way.

If you had any self respect you should at least tell your swordsman buddies to honour their bets, even if it’s hard to tell whether you did or not

 

[nik87]

no one cares

And yet, here you are, still dragging me into an internet debate because you are simply mad.

Dude, there were CP0 watching the minute details of the war. Definitely they would have known, who killed kaido.

Nope, actually, there were none. The last CP0 agent that was in Wano ran away with skywalk.

Its too early for zoro to get Ryumas level of glory that was span across decades. He is collecting accolades from famous individuals like vegapunk, et al. He will surpass that glory after defeating current WGS mihawk.

No. It is not too early, we are in the endgame already.
Defeating Mihawk will not bring him the glory of killing Kaido.
While the feat itself is even more impressive, especially if he cuts Yoru, the glory simply cannot be matched, not even close.

In the end, That forest guy came after wano knowing luffy just killed kaido. It wouldnt matter too if it was zoro killing kaido. So one of the reasoning of yours that no one will invade wano after kaido being killed by zoro is invalid.

Why not let kaido be killed by the inhabitant of wano in the first place itself. It would have been better if the shogun momo himself would have killed kaido after he was defeated. He had the body of Oden to wield both his katanas. And with a little bit of rage power momo could have definitely killed kaido. That way they could actually be capable of defending from the invaders, rather than just being a weak ass depending upon the straw hat pirates.
Even though cliched " the tale of dead fathers revenge" would have been far more better.

Nope. GB didnt come to Wano knowing Luffy killed Kaido because Luffy didnt kill Kaido.
Nobody would dare step into Wano if Zoro killed Kaido. Just like they didnt dare during Ryuma's era.
Because the inhabitant of Wano is incapable of killing Kaido, like everyone else, minus Zoro.
You would eat even shit like Momo killing Kaido instead of Zoro killing Kaido, lmao.

What are you saying? Luffy already had intention in defeating Kaido. He was far more interested in Kaido than big mom. WCI was only a side quest for Luffy in retrieving sanji. After all the path towards becoming Pirate king does require him defeating the strongest pirate out there. Zoro had no business with kaido at all. But i believe he was robbed off from a great feat of cutting King in his flame-on mode.

He also had the intention of defeating Big Mom. Did his intention matter at all?
Side quest WCI should have been his 5 minutes vs LinLin while Law and Zoro take care of Wano.
Instead, the guy who had no plotlines attached to himself had to be pushed in where he doesnt belong.
Zoro had no business with Kaido while he came to Onigashima specifically because of Kaido? lol
Did Roger defeat the strongest pirate on the path to becoming Pirate King?
Luffy should have defeated LinLin who he resembles the most while Zoro kills the one who he resembles the most - Kaido.

 

[NikaInParis]

And yet, here you are, still dragging me into an internet debate because you are simply mad.


Nope, actually, there were none. The last CP0 agent that was in Wano ran away with skywalk.


No. It is not too early, we are in the endgame already.
Defeating Mihawk will not bring him the glory of killing Kaido.
While the feat itself is even more impressive, especially if he cuts Yoru, the glory simply cannot be matched, not even close.


Nope. GB didnt come to Wano knowing Luffy killed Kaido because Luffy didnt kill Kaido.
Nobody would dare step into Wano if Zoro killed Kaido. Just like they didnt dare during Ryuma's era.
Because the inhabitant of Wano is incapable of killing Kaido, like everyone else, minus Zoro.
You would eat even shit like Momo killing Kaido instead of Zoro killing Kaido, lmao.


He also had the intention of defeating Big Mom. Did his intention matter at all?
Side quest WCI should have been his 5 minutes vs LinLin while Law and Zoro take care of Wano.
Instead, the guy who had no plotlines attached to himself had to be pushed in where he doesnt belong.
Zoro had no business with Kaido while he came to Onigashima specifically because of Kaido? lol
Did Roger defeat the strongest pirate on the path to becoming Pirate King?
Luffy should have defeated LinLin who he resembles the most while Zoro kills the one who he resembles the most - Kaido.

You're reading the wrong manga

MC beats/kills the main villain. Nothing ever pointed in another direction.

Wishful thinking is one thing and God knows everyone can interpret the story differently, but fooling yourself into an imagined narrative only to be confirmed a fool and then blame the author for unfulfilled expectations (that you yourself set up) isn't a good look

 

[nik87]

Nothing ever pointed in another direction.

Still lying to yourself?

 

[NikaInParis]

Still lying to yourself?

ok, you're just fishing and baiting for responses
good luck with getting any more of those from me

 

[Psychiatrist]

Nope. GB didnt come to Wano knowing Luffy killed Kaido because Luffy didnt kill Kaido.

Who killed kaido?

Nobody would dare step into Wano if Zoro killed Kaido. Just like they didnt dare during Ryuma's era.
Because the inhabitant of Wano is incapable of killing Kaido, like everyone else, minus Zoro.

1. Cant luffy using internal ryou and adcoc kill kaido by punching him into a brain hemorrhage, bypassing his durability? Mind you strongest of athlete have died from brain hemorrhage.

He also had the intention of defeating Big Mom. Did his intention matter at all?
Side quest WCI should have been his 5 minutes vs LinLin while Law and Zoro take care of Wano.
Instead, the guy who had no plotlines attached to himself had to be pushed in where he doesnt belong.

Didnt i showed you the panel specifically where his intention is to defeat kaido.

Did Roger defeat the strongest pirate on the path to becoming Pirate King?

Didnt the roger pirates defeat the strongest pirate Xebec.

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Luffy should have defeated LinLin who he resembles the most while Zoro kills the one who he resembles the most - Kaido.

Its history repeating itself like roger robbed big mom of her poneglyph and also defeated the strongest pirate out there. luffy also robbed big moms poneglyph withought fighting her and then defeated the strongest pirate that is kaido.

 

[nik87]

Who killed kaido?

Nobody.

1. Cant luffy using internal ryou and adcoc kill kaido by punching him into a brain hemorrhage, bypassing his durability? Mind you strongest of athlete have died from brain hemorrhage.

No. He did that countless of times.

Didnt i showed you the panel specifically where his intention is to defeat kaido.

You want me to show you a panel of his intention of defeating Big Mom?|

Didnt the roger pirates defeat the strongest pirate Xebec.

He didnt.

Its history repeating itself like roger robbed big mom of her poneglyph and also defeated the strongest pirate out there. luffy also robbed big moms poneglyph withought fighting her and then defeated the strongest pirate that is kaido.

Just like Roger couldnt defeat Rocks alone, Luffy couldnt defeat Kaido alone either. Both should have left the job to Zoro since he is the one obsessed with strength and automatically targets anyone with World's Strongest title. Drunkard vs drunkard, hungry boy vs hungry mom.