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It's possible that Oda is toying with us. Why not, wouldn't be the first time.
Still, why go the extra way to do that, showing Carrot among the Strawhats, twice in this chapter 978, when she could easily fit with the Background Minks ?
That's what strange. We are shown Minks fodders and Samurai fodders and the Strawhats and Carrot is among the latter, not the former, when she could just as well have been drawn with the other Minks.
But we know she is a fighter, a damn good one at that, at least around Mid Trio level without Sulong. And I don't see someone stronger or even as strong as Jinbe joining the crew now (save pehaps Enel, if Oda remembers him and want him to join the crew, which is even more out there in terms of theory, if you ask me, but one I like nonetheless).
For all the rebukes Carrot gets, and I can understand why she gets them, she is consistently depicted as closer to the Strawhats than a random Mink.
Still, why go the extra way to do that, showing Carrot among the Strawhats, twice in this chapter 978, when she could easily fit with the Background Minks ?
That's what strange. We are shown Minks fodders and Samurai fodders and the Strawhats and Carrot is among the latter, not the former, when she could just as well have been drawn with the other Minks.
But we know she is a fighter, a damn good one at that, at least around Mid Trio level without Sulong. And I don't see someone stronger or even as strong as Jinbe joining the crew now (save pehaps Enel, if Oda remembers him and want him to join the crew, which is even more out there in terms of theory, if you ask me, but one I like nonetheless).
For all the rebukes Carrot gets, and I can understand why she gets them, she is consistently depicted as closer to the Strawhats than a random Mink.
Carrot has countless interactions with the crew, meaningful or funny gags. In this chapter no straw hat did anything of note other than Usopp so that's a really moot point.
The point is that it's confirmed that Carrot is with the straw hats for this raid. Just to remind you:
They've split into 4 groups.
The fodder samurai and the minks faction are taking the left and right wings (they all have to enter from the same place which is what we saw this chapter), the scabbards faction are using the submarine to go from behind, and the straw hat faction are charging right through.
Carrot is literally on the sunny right now prepared to go with the straw hat group and charge the front, whilst the minks and fodder samurai take the wings.
She's clearly been separated from them. This is the moment people were expecting her to just say hi to Jinbe and then dip back to the minks, but that didn't happen. Oda showed twice this chapter that she's still with them. And if she's still with the main crew during their raid, then you can bet your ass she's gonna get some good showings and attention in the time to come as she, alongside the straw hats launches their frontal assault.
The point is that it's confirmed that Carrot is with the straw hats for this raid. Just to remind you:
They've split into 4 groups.
The fodder samurai and the minks faction are taking the left and right wings (they all have to enter from the same place which is what we saw this chapter), the scabbards faction are using the submarine to go from behind, and the straw hat faction are charging right through.
Carrot is literally on the sunny right now prepared to go with the straw hat group and charge the front, whilst the minks and fodder samurai take the wings.
She's clearly been separated from them. This is the moment people were expecting her to just say hi to Jinbe and then dip back to the minks, but that didn't happen. Oda showed twice this chapter that she's still with them. And if she's still with the main crew during their raid, then you can bet your ass she's gonna get some good showings and attention in the time to come as she, alongside the straw hats launches their frontal assault.
She traveled with the Strawhats, ill give you that. Lets see where the story takes her now.
Once again, 300 chapters after we first saw him take the wheel. Where was the praise from Luffy when they were desperately rushing to save Ace? He was helming then was he not?
Franky, was amazed at Carrot's jumping prowess which she used to look across the whole island to spot Luffy, despite originally having been surrounded in a dense jungle. In that situation there would've been nothing Usopp could do to find Luffy, whereas Carrot could do so with a single jump.
Jinbe's helming ability was absolutely nothing special when it debuted. We can wait until a moment arises when a lookout/scout is badly needed and see who does the role then. They are literally going to be infiltrating an enemy base so if, once they're inside Usopp is continuously finding lurking enemies, spotting them before anyone else can and alerting everyone and Carrot is there doing nothing, then it will be obvious. But we will see what will happen in the coming chapters since Carrot has already shown great stealth skills and surprise attacks capable of catching even Zoro off guard.
Everyone has been a background character bar Luffy and a literal handful of others. Even Momonosuke who this arc is centred around has done practically nothing of note despite being the key figure in all of this. This arc is unlikely even halfway through so there's heaps of time for Carrot to get attention. And now that she's been separated from the minks and is in the Straw Hat group, she'll get even more shine with them.
Except Kin emon has literally no chance of joining the crew for obvious reasons relating to his role as a retainer, whereas Carrot has no obligations and has only been getting more and more qualities of a straw hat as time goes on, so...
Franky, was amazed at Carrot's jumping prowess which she used to look across the whole island to spot Luffy, despite originally having been surrounded in a dense jungle. In that situation there would've been nothing Usopp could do to find Luffy, whereas Carrot could do so with a single jump.
Jinbe's helming ability was absolutely nothing special when it debuted. We can wait until a moment arises when a lookout/scout is badly needed and see who does the role then. They are literally going to be infiltrating an enemy base so if, once they're inside Usopp is continuously finding lurking enemies, spotting them before anyone else can and alerting everyone and Carrot is there doing nothing, then it will be obvious. But we will see what will happen in the coming chapters since Carrot has already shown great stealth skills and surprise attacks capable of catching even Zoro off guard.
Everyone has been a background character bar Luffy and a literal handful of others. Even Momonosuke who this arc is centred around has done practically nothing of note despite being the key figure in all of this. This arc is unlikely even halfway through so there's heaps of time for Carrot to get attention. And now that she's been separated from the minks and is in the Straw Hat group, she'll get even more shine with them.
Except Kin emon has literally no chance of joining the crew for obvious reasons relating to his role as a retainer, whereas Carrot has no obligations and has only been getting more and more qualities of a straw hat as time goes on, so...
You can wait and see, that's totally fair.
It just seems EXTREMELY obvious to me, and many others that she is joining. How many other characters have this much going for them:
1. A very unique and original weapon (boxing gloves with retractable claws), allowing for either melee fights or battles against swordsmen. Paired with a playful fighting style + floating and electricity powers. Strong enough to easily fit into the crew's mid trio power level and is not a burden
2. An incredible thirst for adventure
3. Isolated from the world
4. A dead mentor who asked to join the previous Pirate King's crew
5. A potential set role on the crew that she has already performed countless times whilst on the ship, something regular travel companions NEVER do during their time on the Sunny
6. Very strong bonds with MULTIPLE straw hats (She's had meaningful interactions with every WCI straw hat. The least with Luffy out of all of them. That's an anomaly and it seems like Oda's waiting for the perfect moment to start pushing the development of their relationship
7. Still know little about their past, despite being in the story for close to 200 chapters. (She's 15 and was born on Zou. Where are her parents? It's not Wanda or Pedro. Heck we even saw Pekoms' parents. Carrot's still a child, so why is she under Wanda's care and not her parents? Where are there? Adventuring perhaps?)
8. Already has a potential 1 v 1 against one of the strongest enemies in the arc (Perospero, who caused the death of her mentor)
9. Has nothing tying them down. No island they need to stay at and no priorities they have to deal with first. (She literally abandoned her duties on Zou to adventure in the first place)
10. Has been mysteriously travelling and interacting with the straw hats for close to 200 chapters, for absolutely no reason other than "It would be fun".
It just seems EXTREMELY obvious to me, and many others that she is joining. How many other characters have this much going for them:
1. A very unique and original weapon (boxing gloves with retractable claws), allowing for either melee fights or battles against swordsmen. Paired with a playful fighting style + floating and electricity powers. Strong enough to easily fit into the crew's mid trio power level and is not a burden
2. An incredible thirst for adventure
3. Isolated from the world
4. A dead mentor who asked to join the previous Pirate King's crew
5. A potential set role on the crew that she has already performed countless times whilst on the ship, something regular travel companions NEVER do during their time on the Sunny
6. Very strong bonds with MULTIPLE straw hats (She's had meaningful interactions with every WCI straw hat. The least with Luffy out of all of them. That's an anomaly and it seems like Oda's waiting for the perfect moment to start pushing the development of their relationship
7. Still know little about their past, despite being in the story for close to 200 chapters. (She's 15 and was born on Zou. Where are her parents? It's not Wanda or Pedro. Heck we even saw Pekoms' parents. Carrot's still a child, so why is she under Wanda's care and not her parents? Where are there? Adventuring perhaps?)
8. Already has a potential 1 v 1 against one of the strongest enemies in the arc (Perospero, who caused the death of her mentor)
9. Has nothing tying them down. No island they need to stay at and no priorities they have to deal with first. (She literally abandoned her duties on Zou to adventure in the first place)
10. Has been mysteriously travelling and interacting with the straw hats for close to 200 chapters, for absolutely no reason other than "It would be fun".
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Vivi was the princess of Alabasta, the kingdom she literally just saved with the straw hats help. I.e. the exact same position that Momonouske will be in, with Kin emon being a more prominent equivalent of Igaram.
Carrot is nothing of the sort. She's shown she's fine with leaving Zou for adventure because she literally did it before. I remember when people were saying Carrot was just the fun tag along to keep WCI interesting with new characters.
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in WCI anymore"
Yet Carrot is still here. The entire crew was split off during the beginning of Wano doing their own missions and whatnot. Yet when the "10 finally reunited", Carrot is with them. And guess what, Carrot is STILL with them, going into the biggest raid in the series alongside them.
Carrot is nothing of the sort. She's shown she's fine with leaving Zou for adventure because she literally did it before. I remember when people were saying Carrot was just the fun tag along to keep WCI interesting with new characters.
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in WCI anymore"
Yet Carrot is still here. The entire crew was split off during the beginning of Wano doing their own missions and whatnot. Yet when the "10 finally reunited", Carrot is with them. And guess what, Carrot is STILL with them, going into the biggest raid in the series alongside them.
What are you talking about, praise from Luffy? I never said anything about praise from Luffy about his helmsmanship. We did get a double spread of Luffy calling Jinbei incredible after calling the fish in the escape, if you want Luffy praise that's been totally lacking for Carrot.
The case with Jinbei is the second he went in the Sunny, he showed his helmanship. It very quickly became obvious it was his position. No one else on the Sunny is steering when he is there. That is patently not the case with Carrot and her supposed great lookout abilities.
Sanji could do what she did there. Again, not special to the crew.
We don't need to wait for the future chapters. We literally just saw Ussop act as a lookout and take out enemies stealthy before they could raise the alarm. Carrot did nothing. Are we supposed to pretend this didn't happen?
If Carrot was going to be a Strawhat she would be one of the "handful of others" that Oda was giving focus to. Actually setting up her up to join the crew.
What qualities, being in the background for eighty chapters in Wano without doing or saying anything of note? Doing the same thing on Zou? Having about five chapters focus in WCI?
Kine'mon may not join the crew, but he's a vastly more important character than Carrot and shows exactly how unimportant she is.
The case with Jinbei is the second he went in the Sunny, he showed his helmanship. It very quickly became obvious it was his position. No one else on the Sunny is steering when he is there. That is patently not the case with Carrot and her supposed great lookout abilities.
Sanji could do what she did there. Again, not special to the crew.
We don't need to wait for the future chapters. We literally just saw Ussop act as a lookout and take out enemies stealthy before they could raise the alarm. Carrot did nothing. Are we supposed to pretend this didn't happen?
If Carrot was going to be a Strawhat she would be one of the "handful of others" that Oda was giving focus to. Actually setting up her up to join the crew.
What qualities, being in the background for eighty chapters in Wano without doing or saying anything of note? Doing the same thing on Zou? Having about five chapters focus in WCI?
Kine'mon may not join the crew, but he's a vastly more important character than Carrot and shows exactly how unimportant she is.
I'm talking about how there was zero comment on his abilities despite having helmed all the way from Impel Down to Marineford. There was no attention drawn to it, other than "Ah, you're a helmsman". And that was it. Despite helming in an extremely intense situation, there was nothing that screamed "omfg, he's amazing! We need him to helm for our crew".
And again, the straw hats have helmed through this, pre timeskip.
Jinbe is useful because he can use the Sunny to its "fullest potential". Even though he isn't needed at all and the crew can get through pretty much any current without him if we're assessing their full list of abilities, he is still useful since he can do more than just get by. We will see if a moment similar comes to Carrot.
Just like we're supposed to pretend there aren't countless examples of straw hats steering on dangerous currents, or manipulating them completely due to Nami's navigational skills?
She navigated them through some crazy unusual currents on a shite raft without even attempting to steer. Nami's an amazing navigator. Sure an amazing helmsman would make that even better, but as mentioned before, it's a convenience and certainly not a necessity for the crew.
The exact same can be done with Carrot. Both helmsman and lookout were unnecessary positions. They're just helpful at being even better. There can easily come a moment where Carrot shows her true skills, just like Jinbe was totally ordinary at first with his helming and then was suddenly revealed to be some amazing helmsman.
Oda was giving focus to characters like the scabbards because of their important to Wano's internal story. Carrot's been getting focus since WCI for absolutely no reason. Where are the scabbards now? Away with Law. Where is Carrot? With the main characters of the series. Her focus is about to double.
Read my post above.
Vivi was a vastly more important character than Robin. Would've loved to see you argue back then.
And again, the straw hats have helmed through this, pre timeskip.
Just like we're supposed to pretend there aren't countless examples of straw hats steering on dangerous currents, or manipulating them completely due to Nami's navigational skills?
The exact same can be done with Carrot. Both helmsman and lookout were unnecessary positions. They're just helpful at being even better. There can easily come a moment where Carrot shows her true skills, just like Jinbe was totally ordinary at first with his helming and then was suddenly revealed to be some amazing helmsman.
Oda was giving focus to characters like the scabbards because of their important to Wano's internal story. Carrot's been getting focus since WCI for absolutely no reason. Where are the scabbards now? Away with Law. Where is Carrot? With the main characters of the series. Her focus is about to double.
Read my post above.
Vivi was a vastly more important character than Robin. Would've loved to see you argue back then.
The bolded parts is what my problem is with her. She has a role yes, but as another poster pointed out, shes not exceptional at it like the others have shown so far. Also, 8/10 nakama have a dream thats related to their role/ability, and the 2 that dont (Jinbe, Brook) have a dream that requires them to accompany Luffy.
Youre right about Luffy, every single member has bonded with Luffy 1st before joining (except Franky who was with Usopp, but Usopp at that time wasnt a member), Carrot is so far Namis and Choppers lovely lil sister, but she and Luffy are indiferent towards each other. Thars a major obstacle, Luffy has to acknowledge/be impressed by you to invite you.
It would be fun, that doesnt cut it for a SH. Take everyones dream/ambition/reason they accompany Luffy, and compare it to Carrots.
Point 7 about her parents is actually a very good one, i havent really thought about it before.
If shes nakama to be then shes still a work in progress, and its not like its just minor details missing. Oda has work to do, on a character thats been around for 3 arcs and still hasnt had any major development to her. If shes just a support character then i have no complains, shes been written very well.
Youre right about Luffy, every single member has bonded with Luffy 1st before joining (except Franky who was with Usopp, but Usopp at that time wasnt a member), Carrot is so far Namis and Choppers lovely lil sister, but she and Luffy are indiferent towards each other. Thars a major obstacle, Luffy has to acknowledge/be impressed by you to invite you.
It would be fun, that doesnt cut it for a SH. Take everyones dream/ambition/reason they accompany Luffy, and compare it to Carrots.
Point 7 about her parents is actually a very good one, i havent really thought about it before.
If shes nakama to be then shes still a work in progress, and its not like its just minor details missing. Oda has work to do, on a character thats been around for 3 arcs and still hasnt had any major development to her. If shes just a support character then i have no complains, shes been written very well.
And as I pointed out, neither was Jinbe. Until all of a sudden it was revealed that he was exceptional.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
And she acts kinda like a granddaughter to Brook giving her a piggyback, calling her madam etc. She fits into the lil sister of the crew role too well it's almost scary. That's a role that's even missing. From Oda's comments in a SBS via the wiki:
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
Carrot having a dream relating to seeing the world would link to her role as the lookout. And although it's irrelevant, Brook doesn't even have a dream that requires him to accompany Luffy. In fact doing so literally puts him further away from his dream lol.
Carrot has bonded with Nami, Chopper, Brook and Sanji. She's not just Nami and Chopper's little sister, but Sanji's too.
- Monkey D. Luffy: Fourth son
- Roronoa Zoro: First son
- Nami: Daughter
- Usopp: Third son
- Sanji: Second son
- Tony Tony Chopper: Youngest Son
- Nico Robin: Mother
- Franky: Father
- Brook: Grandfather
Her dream hasn't been fully established though so there's nothing to compare.
I think every Carrot supporter is still saying she's a work in progress. We're just saying it's obvious these developments will come eventually considering all the set up she's got so far.
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It's comparable because she joined all the same. Wano shares many parallels to Alabasta. Obvious parallels being between Vivi to Momo and Kin emon. Robin may have been an antagonist but she didn't get nearly as much focus as Vivi did during the arc, and that's not really debatable. Just because she also had an important role doesn't mean she was as focused or key to the arc as Vivi was. And funny how Robin became a stowaway on the Sunny, in the exact same fashion as Carrot did when leaving Zou.
Here's the difference
Strawhats have managed both in the past
The second Jinbei gets on the Sunny he is given a fantastic display of helmsmanship that made it clear that would be his role. If he's on the ship, he helms.
Carrot has been on the Sunny without ever doing anything special, lookout wise. Oda has also had other characters be lookout while she is actually on the ship.
You not seeing how the presentation is totally different? If Carrot is meant to be getting set up as the lookout, why is she not doing it? Why did Nami do it two chapters ago? Why did Ussop do it now? The argument you guys used to give was that Carrot would be a spotter for Ussop's sniping. What happened to that?
These chapters should be, if Carrot was to be a crewmate, prime time for showing off want she can do. Not showing how other characters can do the exact same thing as her, and in Ussop's case, be even more useful.
Are we just pretending Kine'mon and Denjiro don't exist anymore, and that both haven't been focused on much more than Carrot (hardly difficult, she's done nothing)? Are we supposed to pretend that despite the arc being all about avenging Oden against Kaido and Orochi, suddenly the Scabbards are going to step back and the stories going to all be about Carrot's grudge against Perospero?
And both were vastly more important than Carrot has ever been. I'd love to have seen you argue back then, you'd have been calling for Pell, Chaka or Carue to join the crew.
Carrot doesn't compare in the slightest
Strawhats have managed both in the past
The second Jinbei gets on the Sunny he is given a fantastic display of helmsmanship that made it clear that would be his role. If he's on the ship, he helms.
Carrot has been on the Sunny without ever doing anything special, lookout wise. Oda has also had other characters be lookout while she is actually on the ship.
You not seeing how the presentation is totally different? If Carrot is meant to be getting set up as the lookout, why is she not doing it? Why did Nami do it two chapters ago? Why did Ussop do it now? The argument you guys used to give was that Carrot would be a spotter for Ussop's sniping. What happened to that?
These chapters should be, if Carrot was to be a crewmate, prime time for showing off want she can do. Not showing how other characters can do the exact same thing as her, and in Ussop's case, be even more useful.
Are we just pretending Kine'mon and Denjiro don't exist anymore, and that both haven't been focused on much more than Carrot (hardly difficult, she's done nothing)? Are we supposed to pretend that despite the arc being all about avenging Oden against Kaido and Orochi, suddenly the Scabbards are going to step back and the stories going to all be about Carrot's grudge against Perospero?
And both were vastly more important than Carrot has ever been. I'd love to have seen you argue back then, you'd have been calling for Pell, Chaka or Carue to join the crew.
Carrot doesn't compare in the slightest
Carrot joining would be Oda's failure. She's at best mediocre in everything. Character, dream, abilities, design. For god sake she's a template bunny girl with nothing distinctive about her even visually.
Not that SHs are master pieces in all those categories too, but at least they showed prominence in some areas before joining. She has shown none and she's been around like a damn parasite since 170 chapters ago lol.
Pre-ts Jinbe had far more going for him than carrot and he unlike her didn't have any backstories revealed for him. Then he had the whole fishman arc, then WCI and then now in Wao, but apparently she is supposed to join because heeeey, adventure!
I'm not dismissing her completely. I don't have that kind of faith in Oda as a writer. But for now I'd say the only thing that helps her indirectly is the fact that others are not in a better position for joining SHs.
Not that SHs are master pieces in all those categories too, but at least they showed prominence in some areas before joining. She has shown none and she's been around like a damn parasite since 170 chapters ago lol.
Pre-ts Jinbe had far more going for him than carrot and he unlike her didn't have any backstories revealed for him. Then he had the whole fishman arc, then WCI and then now in Wao, but apparently she is supposed to join because heeeey, adventure!
I'm not dismissing her completely. I don't have that kind of faith in Oda as a writer. But for now I'd say the only thing that helps her indirectly is the fact that others are not in a better position for joining SHs.
I notice how you keep saying the second Jinbe gets on the "Sunny". What happened to the first showing of Jinbe when he was helming? Why do you consistently ignore that? Maybe because of the fact that there was zero attention drawn to his abilities at all. Luffy was right there with him, but nothing. Totally skipped over with no focus whatsoever on his skills in helming. The focus would only come 300 chapters later.
She is doing it.
You're looking at an instance in which Usopp, who has decent sight in his own respect thanks to his goggles spots some enemies whom he was already warned would be there and then snipes them. Yes, that's certainly a role that could've been given to Carrot, with her making him aware of the enemies for him to then snipe, but it's hardly a deal-breaker. Nami's navigational skills put the 1 main helming feat Jinbe's displayed to shame.
Navigating the ship up the knock up stream, sea snake currents, currents surrounding Enies Lobby and more impressive than dodging a big wave.Yes it wasn't helming, but it was still a very similar feat she accomplished without even needing to helm. Had the full crew been present, Jinbe's surfing wouldn't even have been necessary since they could've just blasted a hole through the wave, just like they did pre timeskip with the far bigger Aqua Laguna.
I agree. And that's why Carrot will need to show her stuff in the upcoming chapters. Usopp got shine here to make up for his cowardice the previous chapter. So you can be sure that Carrot's will be soon to come too. They're sneaking into a massive HQ with enemies crawling all over the place. Carrot was introduced as a scout, lurking the bushes who then jumped Zoro. This should be the perfect opportunity for her to show her stuff.
By the way, I'm interested to know your reasoning as for why Carrot's still with the crew, on their ship at the moment. Why didn't she go with the minks?
No, we're supposed to realise that there can be more than one plot within an arc. Especially one on the scale of Wano...
Jinbe was background to Sanji and the Big Mom Pirates in WCI. And he had to share his focus with Shirahoshi and the royals in FMI. Even his backstory was just lumped in together with a backstory of the entire island, unlike an individual backstory like every single one of the straw hats got before him. Things have got to such a large scale that Oda doesn't spend entire arcs giving focus to just a straw hat anymore. So yes, Carrot will still get shine. Will she more important than defeating Kaido and Orochi? No. Will she have a significant story arc? Yes, most probably.
C'mon now Hero Garp. We've been arguing on this since 2016. Would've thought you'd know me a bit better than that.
You're right. Whilst Robin was considered a mysterious enemy, Carrot's already a straw hat in all but name. Interacting with them, gatecrashing their group spreads, stealing their panel time and riding on their ship. It's just a matter of time.
She is doing it.
Navigating the ship up the knock up stream, sea snake currents, currents surrounding Enies Lobby and more impressive than dodging a big wave.Yes it wasn't helming, but it was still a very similar feat she accomplished without even needing to helm. Had the full crew been present, Jinbe's surfing wouldn't even have been necessary since they could've just blasted a hole through the wave, just like they did pre timeskip with the far bigger Aqua Laguna.
I agree. And that's why Carrot will need to show her stuff in the upcoming chapters. Usopp got shine here to make up for his cowardice the previous chapter. So you can be sure that Carrot's will be soon to come too. They're sneaking into a massive HQ with enemies crawling all over the place. Carrot was introduced as a scout, lurking the bushes who then jumped Zoro. This should be the perfect opportunity for her to show her stuff.
By the way, I'm interested to know your reasoning as for why Carrot's still with the crew, on their ship at the moment. Why didn't she go with the minks?
No, we're supposed to realise that there can be more than one plot within an arc. Especially one on the scale of Wano...
Jinbe was background to Sanji and the Big Mom Pirates in WCI. And he had to share his focus with Shirahoshi and the royals in FMI. Even his backstory was just lumped in together with a backstory of the entire island, unlike an individual backstory like every single one of the straw hats got before him. Things have got to such a large scale that Oda doesn't spend entire arcs giving focus to just a straw hat anymore. So yes, Carrot will still get shine. Will she more important than defeating Kaido and Orochi? No. Will she have a significant story arc? Yes, most probably.
C'mon now Hero Garp. We've been arguing on this since 2016. Would've thought you'd know me a bit better than that.
You're right. Whilst Robin was considered a mysterious enemy, Carrot's already a straw hat in all but name. Interacting with them, gatecrashing their group spreads, stealing their panel time and riding on their ship. It's just a matter of time.
Because I don't think it's relevant or really compares at all. It's what happens on the Sunny that matters, not in a Marine battleship.
We knew that Jinbei could helm though it hadn't been focused on
We know that Carrot can look through binoculars but it hasn't been focused on
When Jinbei gets his first go at helming the Sunny, it made into a massive deal by Oda, to show off that Jinbei isn't just a helmsman, he's a genius at it
On the other hand, when Carrot gets her first go at being lookout in the Sunny, it isn't a big deal. And then other characters, on the same ship that she's on, do the exact same thing.
She isn't though, is she? She was doing it on the WCI trip- although so we're other characters- then the second the crew has gathered together we don't get any of it. Hell, she didn't even do it on the approach to Wano, which ended in the ship being sucked into a whirlpool.
What happened before Jinbei got on the ship is irrelevant, much in the same way what happened prior to Carrot getting in the ship is irrelevant. What matters is how Oda displays the characters when they get on the Sunny
-we see Jinbei get a great helming feat, characters comment on how he's great at it, the ship actually sinks in the approach to Wano without him, he reappears and Nami tells Franky he's a brilliant helmsman
-Carrot is a lookout, no one comments on it, other characters do it while she's actually on the ship.
Eh, we don't know if she's still with the crew. She wasn't shown this chapter after the crew disembarked. And prior to that all the main Minks were on the Sunny, not just Carrot.
There's a difference between sharing focus and not having any at all. Jinbei, Law, Shirahoshi, Kine'mon, Momo, Pudding, Rebecca et al had to share multichapter flashbacks and arcs, but they still stood at the forefront of them. Carrot hasn't. She didn't even get to stand out in Zou, in her home island. Her relationship with Pedro got summed up in a measly three panels. Why should I expect her to have a significant story arc now? The Dawn? Pedro told us that's relates to the Kozuki's and the Minks, she'll see what it means, but she's not likely to overshadow Momo or Kin. A fight with Perospero? Maybe, but Perospero isn't exactly one of the outstanding villains of the arc, and we've already seen her Su Long.
Damn right, Paul- I mean Carrot, will clearly be a Strawhat.
We knew that Jinbei could helm though it hadn't been focused on
We know that Carrot can look through binoculars but it hasn't been focused on
When Jinbei gets his first go at helming the Sunny, it made into a massive deal by Oda, to show off that Jinbei isn't just a helmsman, he's a genius at it
On the other hand, when Carrot gets her first go at being lookout in the Sunny, it isn't a big deal. And then other characters, on the same ship that she's on, do the exact same thing.
She isn't though, is she? She was doing it on the WCI trip- although so we're other characters- then the second the crew has gathered together we don't get any of it. Hell, she didn't even do it on the approach to Wano, which ended in the ship being sucked into a whirlpool.
What happened before Jinbei got on the ship is irrelevant, much in the same way what happened prior to Carrot getting in the ship is irrelevant. What matters is how Oda displays the characters when they get on the Sunny
-we see Jinbei get a great helming feat, characters comment on how he's great at it, the ship actually sinks in the approach to Wano without him, he reappears and Nami tells Franky he's a brilliant helmsman
-Carrot is a lookout, no one comments on it, other characters do it while she's actually on the ship.
Eh, we don't know if she's still with the crew. She wasn't shown this chapter after the crew disembarked. And prior to that all the main Minks were on the Sunny, not just Carrot.
There's a difference between sharing focus and not having any at all. Jinbei, Law, Shirahoshi, Kine'mon, Momo, Pudding, Rebecca et al had to share multichapter flashbacks and arcs, but they still stood at the forefront of them. Carrot hasn't. She didn't even get to stand out in Zou, in her home island. Her relationship with Pedro got summed up in a measly three panels. Why should I expect her to have a significant story arc now? The Dawn? Pedro told us that's relates to the Kozuki's and the Minks, she'll see what it means, but she's not likely to overshadow Momo or Kin. A fight with Perospero? Maybe, but Perospero isn't exactly one of the outstanding villains of the arc, and we've already seen her Su Long.
You're right. Whilst Robin was considered a mysterious enemy, Carrot's already a straw hat in all but name. Interacting with them, gatecrashing their group spreads, stealing their panel time and riding on their ship. It's just a matter of time.
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