General & Others Tobi Roppo are the main opponents of the 6 weaker SHs

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Nami > mid trio tbh.

Nami is the textbook definition of glass cannon so it's hard to rank her. This is why I want Nami to find a way (don't care how) to ride Zeus. It would give her a LOT of mobility.

 

[Shuyaku]

He gave Sanji a power rangers quick fix powerup exactly for this reason. Zoro hasn't gone all out, yet still got haki focused training to prepare.

Crocodile is a case of a character being introduced too early. At this point Oda has solidified the verse and the characters among them. He knows how big the gaps are and where Luffy needs to be. Luffy doesn't just magically get exponentially stronger we saw that through all his battles post skip. Oda could have easily shown that after defeating a Cracker level opponent back on Dressrosa, he now stood clear cut above that level, but he got humbled off the bat on WCI.

Pre timeskip only looks bad in retrospect because of a lack of planning around Haki. This isn't an issue for post skip or current events. He's not perfect but when was the last time he was inconsistent? Atleast a decade ago?

Introduced early or not, you can agree that it's not consistent with where he ultimately wanted Crocodile to be at, right ? Point is, i could easily see him make the mid trio suddenly jump in power whenever he wants similar to that to fit the plot. I don't think many fans would find it crazy either given some of the posts here. He's not really the guy to prioritize logical power levels, he could pull an Enies lobby any time he wants to, especially taking into account the scale of Wano.

 

[Shiroyru]

Sanjikun thinks that Luffy can go from getting low diffed by Kaido to extreme diffing Kaido by the end of the arc, but Brook can’t go from getting low diffed by Pero to extreme diffing a Tobi Roppo an arc later (with the real reason being that he wants the Vinsmokes to come in out of nowhere and solo the F6)

 

[sanjikun]

Oh yeah but all 6 apparently will BM crew members, nice logic there. You didn't even give me 6 characters. Raisin got low diffed by Sanji in one hit you think he presents a challenge to any Strawhat? At least Page One took 3 hits and seems fine after.

And you misunderstand, not saying they can't fight them, but the whole point is this isn't really their arc to begin with. Strawhat opponents are almost always hyped before they are fought. None of those characters were even hyped in their own arc.

I guarantee you those characters will all be fodderized just like many of the headliners will in the end. None of them would ever feel like a signficant, important victory like Tobi Roppo, Numbers, Top Ministers, and All Stars would be.

Their fucking captain is about to defeat two Yonko and become pirate king, are these people supposed to not fight upper tier Yonko crew members?

This is the problem. You think BMPs are "too boring", so you want to wank the newest and coolest characters.

If you were to say Cavendish, Bartolomeo, or Sai with a powerup could beat the Tobbi Roppo, that'd be a decent guess. The other SHs are just too far.

 

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Some people are going to fight the BMPs, that's a given. Except if they suddenly vanish but that would be lame

 

[Shuyaku]

Sanjikun thinks that Luffy can go from getting low diffed by Kaido to extreme diffing Kaido by the end of the arc, but Brook can’t go from getting low diffed by Pero to extreme diffing a Tobi Roppo an arc later (with the real reason being that he wants the Vinsmokes to come in out of nowhere and solo the F6)

Because Luffy trained. What has Brook done since getting molested by Perospero ?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Gallete will get a couple of cool panels then get 1 shot by someone randomly during some event (Sulong transformations, Nami abusing the fuck out of Zeus, etc). Same with many other BM children. Anyone who's probably not Smoothie, Campote, Snack, Oven, Daifuku and Perospero probably WONT get signficant panel time over some interesting panels here and there leading to their eventual defeats.

Yes, you have Galette, Bavarois, Mont d'Or, Tamago, Amande, Cinnamon, Citron, the decuplets and more, but these characters where not hyped to be signficant in any way at WCI. They will get their few moments in Wano, I'm sure, but there are nearly 25+ upper tier villains at Wano:

- 9 Numbers (assuming it's 2-10 and that they aren't completely weak shit considering their ranking and now being introduced after the Tobi Roppo, who knows)
- 6 BM Monsters- Smoothie, Snack, Pero, Campote, Daifuku and Oven are all considered the "Monsters" of BMs crew, along with Katakuri and Cracker.
- 5 Tobi Roppo (Drake certainly is turning on them)
- 3 All Stars, maybe 4 with the "Ace" if he exists.
- 2 Yonko

Counting Kanjuro, Mimiwarigumi, Onibawanshu, as one entity each, let's say that adds to 29 arc villains.

Are the 6 other Strawhats not supposed to fight ANY of these 29 characters? Like holy fuck, do the math, they fight any character other than these 30, it's almost not even signficant to drive the plot lmao.

Ever hear of an arc having nearly 30 arc villains and Franky, Brook, Robin, Nami, Chopper and Usopp not even fighting any of them because of a limited mindset that characters can't get stronger? Main characters at that?

That's what @sanjikun is trying to argue here, and it's asinine.

This is the problem. You think BMPs are "too boring", so you want to wank the newest and coolest characters.

If you were to say Cavendish, Bartolomeo, or Sai with a powerup could beat the Tobbi Roppo, that'd be a decent guess. The other SHs are just too far.

Nobody is saying they are boring, read the above please. I'm saying there are way too many other villains for anyone to care about fucking Galette lmao.

 

[ZenZu]

Why are we so sure there will be clear cut matchups anyway and not a free for all somewhat like Marineford? Too many characters to juggle imo for everyone and their mothers to get a clean 1v1. I'm assuming things will get too hectic for most.

 

[Shiroyru]

Because Luffy trained. What has Brook done since getting molested by Perospero ?

What did Zoro do to earn Ashura? What did Sanji do to earn DJ?

 

[Shiroyru]

Why are we so sure there will be clear cut matchups anyway and not a free for all somewhat like Marineford? Too many characters to juggle imo for everyone and their mothers to get a clean 1v1.

SHs will get chapters dedicated to their fights while the side characters get only glimpses of their fights shown imo

 

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Because Luffy trained. What has Brook done since getting molested by Perospero ?

He seems to be able to Aokiji'd people now. He had freezing power since the timeskip but I don't remember it being to the extent of freezing a whole body but maybe my memory is faulty..

 

[Shuyaku]

What did Zoro do to earn Ashura? What did Sanji do to earn DJ?

You can't just gift them powerups. There is zero indication they're strong enough for someone like Page One as it stands.

 

[sanjikun]

Sanjikun thinks that Luffy can go from getting low diffed by Kaido to extreme diffing Kaido by the end of the arc, but Brook can’t go from getting low diffed by Pero to extreme diffing a Tobi Roppo an arc later (with the real reason being that he wants the Vinsmokes to come in out of nowhere and solo the F6)

Yes, because Luffy had 1 main problem against Kaido: he couldn't penetrate his skin. He trained for 2 weeks to solve that problem.

He already sent Kaido flying and crashing through buildings. What did Brook do to Perospero?

 

[sanjikun]

No one cares about Galette. Oda isn’t gonna make SHs fight random background characters while side characters like the Scabbards get the enemies be fleshed out

Again, back to my point. You guys want to wank the newest and coolest characters, without logic to where players stand.

Oda clearly put a gap between the Mid Trio and Monster Trio, with guys like Cavendish, Bartolomeo and Sai. Mid Trio has to first reach Cavendish, Barto and Sai, before even thinking about the Tobbi Roppo.

 

[Shiroyru]

Again, back to my point. You guys want to wank the newest and coolest characters, without logic to where players stand.

Oda clearly put a gap between the Mid Trio and Monster Trio, with guys like Cavendish, Bartolomeo and Sai. Mid Trio has to first reach Cavendish, Barto and Sai, before even thinking about the Tobbi Roppo.

Lmao what? Mid Trio already is at the same level as Cavendish, Barto, and Sai

Nami has one of the 3 main weapons of a Yonko dude. Zeus alone is stronger than Galette

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yes, because Luffy had 1 main problem against Kaido: he couldn't penetrate his skin. He trained for 2 weeks to solve that problem.

He already sent Kaido flying and crashing through buildings. What did Brook do to Perospero?

Luffy got hit hy one attack broski, and lost. What makes you think Kaido was even remotely trying? What makes you think Luffy will "demolish" Kaido if he takes a few hits from the new Haki? You haven't even seen what Kaido's upper limits are, yet dude one shotted someone who took 100's of hits from Katakuri without even really trying.

You guys need to stop taking power scaling seriously in this manga, it's never worked out for you, ever.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

The Strawhats are all to different in fighting style and all grow in different ways. Nami never was a fighter, she only improves through mastery of weather science and Usopp upgrading her weapon. Franky is a robot, he simply puts new ideas and weapons into himself and doesent get stronger by fighting like Luffy or Zoro for example. So do they have to have extreme difficult victories vs Kaidos top warriors in order to grow? No. Oda gave Nami Zeus, so she got stronger by "not moving a finger" whereas Luffy fought a superior monster for hours to achieve the same. Usopp is a sniper and grows in a similar way, he incorporates new things he finds on the journey into his sniping like dials, plants etc. Unlike the other two however, he should get both versions of haki and start improving it, so for him it would be good if he overcame a super strong opponent. But does it have to be a physical ancient zoan brawler? Brook and Chopper i could understand, they both need to improve their strength and haki same way as Usopp, and they are close combat fighters. Robin probably as well. Its time for them to learn haki so they should get into matchups where theyre outclassed but not by too much, so they can outgrow their opponents during the fight

 

[sanjikun]

Luffy got hit hy one attack broski, and lost. What makes you think Kaido was even remotely trying? What makes you think Luffy will "demolish" Kaido if he takes a few hits from the new Haki? You haven't even seen what Kaido's upper limits are, yet dude one shotted someone who took 100's of hits from Katakuri.

You guys need to stop taking power scaling seriously in this manga, it's never workedbout for you, ever.

So did this guy. What is your point? We know where they stand power scaling wise.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

How the fuck can any of them beat the tobi roppo if the weakest member was able to ragdoll raid suit sanji.

They will either fight the numbers or tag team.

 

[Paperchampion23]

So did this guy. What is your point? We know where they stand power scaling wise.

Uh, no he didnt? Did you read the chapter? Him and Kaido fought for a while, that was just the final two attacks in their battle. Oden was already bloody fighting Kaido during that battle. We have no idea how or what types of blows were exchanged during that fight.