General & Others Tobi Roppo are the main opponents of the 6 weaker SHs
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Hahaha. Mate, last arc I voted Judge > Snack, when 85% said Snack would destroy Judge. I voted for Luffy beating Katakuri, when people were saying he can't beat him bEcAuSe oF cRaCKer.
I might be wrong on plot but when there is enough proof about power scaling on a character, the arguments construct themselves.
I might be wrong on plot but when there is enough proof about power scaling on a character, the arguments construct themselves.
Bruh we have no context to how that entire fight went, Oda skipped most of it.
Even if you insinuate that, then what is Luffy and everyone supposed to just not get hit by Kaido at all? How is that going to make an entertaining fight? There's clearly a line Luffy will have to cross to withstand Kaido's blows, we should all understand that right?
If that the case, why can't people understand that every main character grows and surpasses arc villains. CP9 trained the entire fucking lives as government assassins and a group of teenage pirates wrecked ALL OF THEM
Even if you insinuate that, then what is Luffy and everyone supposed to just not get hit by Kaido at all? How is that going to make an entertaining fight? There's clearly a line Luffy will have to cross to withstand Kaido's blows, we should all understand that right?
If that the case, why can't people understand that every main character grows and surpasses arc villains. CP9 trained the entire fucking lives as government assassins and a group of teenage pirates wrecked ALL OF THEM
I agree with this but on the other hand, matchups should also be taken into consideration. Not everyone is suited to fight physical beast like the Tobi Roppo. Then you have the BMP who, same way as Strawhats, have more diverse fighting styles and abilities, so its easier to make matchups vs them. But its gonna be an all out battle at 1st imo, so by the "final rounds" it could turn into something unpredictable from this perspective
I'm sorry, but what in the fuck is a YC4 to you? Why are you making up arbitrary power scaling for Tobi Roppo, a group of people that have had zero panel time to even come off as being a Doflamingo level character each? Why is Page 1 a YC4? Why is Oven, a 300 million bounty pirate that matches the bounty of Peckoms, who got cremated by various lesser BM children, a YC4?
How long are we supposed to wait before Franky, a Pacifista of his own making, can fight people who aren't Yonko commanders. You guys have weird, made up, arbitrary power scalings and honestly it's entertaining when you all seem to be wrong in the end lmao.
How long are we supposed to wait before Franky, a Pacifista of his own making, can fight people who aren't Yonko commanders. You guys have weird, made up, arbitrary power scalings and honestly it's entertaining when you all seem to be wrong in the end lmao.
I'm not arguing that Strawhats can't fight big Mom pirates, but its astounding logic to think the 6 weaker Strawhats will only fight weaker BM children because apparently "logic" dictates it so and Strawhats apparently can't get stronger. That to me doesn't make sense. We have no idea how strong Sasaki is, yet we act like it's "impossible" for Oda to pit someone like Franky against him because for some reason all 6 Tobi roppo are only "slightly" weaker than Jack, according to some people here, with absolutely zero proof of that logic.
First of all, did you just put Doflamingo on the same level as Snack, who got beaten by Urouge? No wonder you know nothing about power scaling.
The Tobbi Roppo are next in line for Queen's spot. They are strong enough to fight other Supernovas. Whether you like it or not, Mid Trio can't beat anyone on that level. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
The Tobbi Roppo are next in line for Queen's spot. They are strong enough to fight other Supernovas. Whether you like it or not, Mid Trio can't beat anyone on that level. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
About Kaido one-shotting Luffy, generally, if a really strong character has a weapon and can use it, they'll clean their opponent in one or two hits. Two hits from Mogura would've killed Luffy, yet he endured Katakuri's other attacks for several hours. Cracker almost hacked Gear 4's arm off (which was coated in Haki) with Pretzel; Cracker's fake sword failed to bypass Base Luffy's Haki. I know the difference is that Kaido uses a blunt object whereas the other two were sharp, but still. Luffy's "L" from Kaido is a combination of not-there-yet and my point about using weapons.
Oh my god. I'm done with this thread. If you couldn't realize, I was making FUN of the power scaling bullshit. I have no idea what a stupid YC4 scaling is. It does not exist. It's a made up thing this fanbase came up with to have power level discussions which don't even belong in One piece.
This is the whole Cracker vs. Doflamingo argument all over again and I'm not having it.
Have fun daydreaming about Gallete and Mont d'Or being arc villains for the main characters. Really, have fun with that.
This is the whole Cracker vs. Doflamingo argument all over again and I'm not having it.
Have fun daydreaming about Gallete and Mont d'Or being arc villains for the main characters. Really, have fun with that.
To rephrase that, they are using their "finishers". These are amongst the most dangerous moves, that are usually hard to land, so the opponent needs to be hurt or an idiot (Luffy).
They would be equivalent to something like King Kong Gun for Luffy (or King Cobra in Snakeman) which Oda is still hiding from Dressrosa.
Of course it exists. Big Mom had 4 Commanders. The 4th strongest is the YC4. It's really not that hard. In Kaido's crew, it'd be whoever the 4th in line is (out of the TR).
They would be equivalent to something like King Kong Gun for Luffy (or King Cobra in Snakeman) which Oda is still hiding from Dressrosa.
Of course it exists. Big Mom had 4 Commanders. The 4th strongest is the YC4. It's really not that hard. In Kaido's crew, it'd be whoever the 4th in line is (out of the TR).
Except its massive, arbitrary power scaling that only works for one crew based on YOUR assumptions.
Are the Tobi Roppo under Jack in strength? Well, yeah that's obvious. Are they "YC4"? Like, wtf does that mean? They are all the same equal strength? They are all snack level? They are all stronger than Oven? Daifuku? Perospero?
I don't get it, and you aren't going to convince me of a less dumb mindset on it.
Are the Tobi Roppo under Jack in strength? Well, yeah that's obvious. Are they "YC4"? Like, wtf does that mean? They are all the same equal strength? They are all snack level? They are all stronger than Oven? Daifuku? Perospero?
I don't get it, and you aren't going to convince me of a less dumb mindset on it.
but didn't Gallete low diff Nami?
They are portrayed to be stronger than some supernova. Hawkins and Apoo are headliners, the tobi roppo are the strongest headliners. hence at the very least they will probably have bounties above 350 mil and will likely be tough fights for even the strongest supernova.
Look at the AP of the no name swipe Page one threw at sanji. And page was portrayed as the weakest tobi roppo.
The tobi roppo are a better matchup for the monster trio than the mid or weak trios. Jinbe and sasaki look very similar. They have similar teeth and clothes.
Who's Who is also a much better fight for Sanji than Queen imo. Given his portrayal against Drake, Sanji doesn't seem to be on par with the calamities just yet.
Who's Who's name sounds like an onomatopoeia for an Owl's call(hoo hoo) and his helmet makes him look like an owl. If Oda gave him an owl zoan, he could have a sky battle with Sanji.
They are portrayed to be stronger than some supernova. Hawkins and Apoo are headliners, the tobi roppo are the strongest headliners. hence at the very least they will probably have bounties above 350 mil and will likely be tough fights for even the strongest supernova.
Look at the AP of the no name swipe Page one threw at sanji. And page was portrayed as the weakest tobi roppo.
The tobi roppo are a better matchup for the monster trio than the mid or weak trios. Jinbe and sasaki look very similar. They have similar teeth and clothes.
Who's Who is also a much better fight for Sanji than Queen imo. Given his portrayal against Drake, Sanji doesn't seem to be on par with the calamities just yet.
Who's Who's name sounds like an onomatopoeia for an Owl's call(hoo hoo) and his helmet makes him look like an owl. If Oda gave him an owl zoan, he could have a sky battle with Sanji.
He could do that, I just don't see why he has to do it. Wano isn't the final arc and there will still be at least a few arcs before Luffy fights blackbeard.
The straw hat pirates do not need to become the equals of the beast pirates in wano kuni. Especially since we will likely have an arc against the marines right after in order to save Sabo.
Hence, given how these characters stand currently, I think its far more likely that they fight weaker characters and take on people on the same level as the tobi roppo next arc.
rapid, erratic, powerlevel jumps aren't a good thing
The straw hat pirates do not need to become the equals of the beast pirates in wano kuni. Especially since we will likely have an arc against the marines right after in order to save Sabo.
Hence, given how these characters stand currently, I think its far more likely that they fight weaker characters and take on people on the same level as the tobi roppo next arc.
rapid, erratic, powerlevel jumps aren't a good thing
I'm not saying they need to become equals. I've been arguing for years at this point that Luffy would not take down Kaido alone. Big Mom being present just solidifies that for me (that it's going to a massive chaotic shitstorm of a battle). I've also been arguing that there are plenty of arcs/plotlines left. But there is a point where strawhats, even the weakest ones, won't be overshadowed by supporting characters. Giving them insignificant fights against lesser BM children does not make sense to me.
Realize there are nearly 30 Names arc villains this arc:
- Kaido/BM
- BM's Sweet Commander: Smoothie
- Kaido's 3 Executives: Jack, Queen, and King
- BM's 5 Monster Ministers: Snack, Perospero, Campote, Daifuku and Oven
- 5 Tobi Roppo, discounting Drake who will likely betray them
- 9 or so Numbers (assuming they are 2-10)
- Kanjuro
- Onibawanshu (count them as one)
- Mimiwarigumi (count them as one)
That's 28 characters/groups of characters. And this doesn't include other lesser headliners or BM children likely to take up panel space. There aren't even enough people on the alliance side to take on the above if the 6 weaker Strawhats do NOT participate in the above:
- 10 strawhats
- 8 Scabbards + Shinobu
- 6 Supernova (sans Luffy/Zoro, assuming Drake, Hawkins and Apoo ALL betray Kaido).
That's 24 right there, and sure, add Carrot or Wanda or Shishilian or the Yakuza bosses, hell even add the Whitebeard captains, it still is a terrible assumption to think that 6 Strawhats wont even fight against any of the 30 referenced villains above and will fight someone "lesser" than these.
Does it make sense for Oda to spend dedicated chapters having Nami fight Galette, a character not even hyped in her own arc, while a supernova takes on Ulti or Black Maria, characters who clearly are centralized ito Wano's plot?
Hell, let's just assume that:
- Zoro v. Who's who
- Jinbe v. Sasaki
- Sanji v. Drake
Is what you are expecting, then who fights Kaido's 3 Calamities? Who fights BM's 5 monsters and 1 sweet commander? Who fights the numbers? We need to stop assuming these characters are "weaker" than they are implied to be.
Oda has never truly adhered to power scaling, his main characters seem weak when he wants to show off the villains (I.e. Lucci and Blueno recking everyone or Perospero trapping Chopper/Brook) or make a situation seem hopeless. His main characters are much stronger when he wants them to grow into the next phase of the story.
Realize there are nearly 30 Names arc villains this arc:
- Kaido/BM
- BM's Sweet Commander: Smoothie
- Kaido's 3 Executives: Jack, Queen, and King
- BM's 5 Monster Ministers: Snack, Perospero, Campote, Daifuku and Oven
- 5 Tobi Roppo, discounting Drake who will likely betray them
- 9 or so Numbers (assuming they are 2-10)
- Kanjuro
- Onibawanshu (count them as one)
- Mimiwarigumi (count them as one)
That's 28 characters/groups of characters. And this doesn't include other lesser headliners or BM children likely to take up panel space. There aren't even enough people on the alliance side to take on the above if the 6 weaker Strawhats do NOT participate in the above:
- 10 strawhats
- 8 Scabbards + Shinobu
- 6 Supernova (sans Luffy/Zoro, assuming Drake, Hawkins and Apoo ALL betray Kaido).
That's 24 right there, and sure, add Carrot or Wanda or Shishilian or the Yakuza bosses, hell even add the Whitebeard captains, it still is a terrible assumption to think that 6 Strawhats wont even fight against any of the 30 referenced villains above and will fight someone "lesser" than these.
Does it make sense for Oda to spend dedicated chapters having Nami fight Galette, a character not even hyped in her own arc, while a supernova takes on Ulti or Black Maria, characters who clearly are centralized ito Wano's plot?
Hell, let's just assume that:
- Zoro v. Who's who
- Jinbe v. Sasaki
- Sanji v. Drake
Is what you are expecting, then who fights Kaido's 3 Calamities? Who fights BM's 5 monsters and 1 sweet commander? Who fights the numbers? We need to stop assuming these characters are "weaker" than they are implied to be.
Oda has never truly adhered to power scaling, his main characters seem weak when he wants to show off the villains (I.e. Lucci and Blueno recking everyone or Perospero trapping Chopper/Brook) or make a situation seem hopeless. His main characters are much stronger when he wants them to grow into the next phase of the story.
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Who do you have in mind ?
Headliners beside Hawkins have all been trash-tier, I wouldn't put them above the New Fishmen Lieutenants. Oniwabanshu are also trash-tier, just their designs are enough to know that they'll be dealt with by Shinobu+ Raizo. They lost their marbles seeing Ghost Brook, for fuck sake. The Mimagawari or whatever are also utterly irrelevant.
Big Mom's kid have better feats than them and a lot of people are trashing them, so even if the Weak/Mid trio fought them I doubted it'd make anyone change their minds about the lower end of the crew.
And the Strawhats are in dire need of a leap forward. Chopper can't keep getting afraid of his shadow at this point of the story, for instance. Same for Nami and Usopp, they've got two Yonko crews they need to surpass 1v1 at that point, Shanks' and Blackbeard's !
Headliners beside Hawkins have all been trash-tier, I wouldn't put them above the New Fishmen Lieutenants. Oniwabanshu are also trash-tier, just their designs are enough to know that they'll be dealt with by Shinobu+ Raizo. They lost their marbles seeing Ghost Brook, for fuck sake. The Mimagawari or whatever are also utterly irrelevant.
Big Mom's kid have better feats than them and a lot of people are trashing them, so even if the Weak/Mid trio fought them I doubted it'd make anyone change their minds about the lower end of the crew.
And the Strawhats are in dire need of a leap forward. Chopper can't keep getting afraid of his shadow at this point of the story, for instance. Same for Nami and Usopp, they've got two Yonko crews they need to surpass 1v1 at that point, Shanks' and Blackbeard's !
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