General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Say, if we got 12-13 crew in total at the end of series (including luffy), what's the trio name for the new crews?
Will it be like this (12 crew):
Monster trio (luffy, zoro, sanji)
Freak trio (robin, franky, brook)
Weak trio (nami, usopp, chopper)
? Trio (jinbe, ?, ?)
Or like this (13 crew)
Captain (luffy)
Monster trio (zoro, sanji, jinbe)
Freak trio (robin, franky, brook)
Weak trio (nami, usopp, chopper)
? Trio ( ?, ?, ?)
Or is it will be quatro group? Or there's no such thing anymore?
Will it be like this (12 crew):
Monster trio (luffy, zoro, sanji)
Freak trio (robin, franky, brook)
Weak trio (nami, usopp, chopper)
? Trio (jinbe, ?, ?)
Or like this (13 crew)
Captain (luffy)
Monster trio (zoro, sanji, jinbe)
Freak trio (robin, franky, brook)
Weak trio (nami, usopp, chopper)
? Trio ( ?, ?, ?)
Or is it will be quatro group? Or there's no such thing anymore?
Last chapter proved once again how ridiculous the notion of Carrot being lookout is, we literally have a situation in which one is needed, and what happens? Usopp is the one seeing it (using the same binoculars Carrot requires as well btw, and solves the situation quickly even before somebody notices that there are shadows there.
We are still waiting for a big "Wa No Carrot scene", whatever it may entail, and Oda creates opportunities and lets them get solved by actual Strawhats.
We are still waiting for a big "Wa No Carrot scene", whatever it may entail, and Oda creates opportunities and lets them get solved by actual Strawhats.
And yet, she is consistently drawn alongside the Strawhats and no other Minks are. That's at least an indication that Oda isn't against the idea of her joining the crew, if you ask me. And that's fan which have deemed she should be a lookout. She could just as well just be a fighter. I mean, how often does Usopp's role as a cannoneer/sniper really comes into play ? I can think of two instances : the bridge at Enies Lobby and taking out Sugar a second time at Dressrosa. The rest of the time, his best ability hasn't been so used.
Alongside Wanda.
At least we can put the lookout nonsense to rest, we can agree on that at least.
Usopp also fired Gaon Cannon against Flying Fish Riders, shooting down Baby 5 and Buffalo and catching Caesar, shooting the flag in Enies Lobby, then pointing out his eyesight when he was the first one to see Moria, and also the only one to see Monet in Punk Hazard on the burning island.
And also, nobody´s skills were highlighted of the Strawhats when the supposed nakama with that specific skill was present.
At least we can put the lookout nonsense to rest, we can agree on that at least.
Usopp also fired Gaon Cannon against Flying Fish Riders, shooting down Baby 5 and Buffalo and catching Caesar, shooting the flag in Enies Lobby, then pointing out his eyesight when he was the first one to see Moria, and also the only one to see Monet in Punk Hazard on the burning island.
And also, nobody´s skills were highlighted of the Strawhats when the supposed nakama with that specific skill was present.
Carrot's situation is actually visually distinct from the other Minks, since the last three chapters. In 975, she indded seems to be just like any other Minks, in the background on the Sunny.
By 976, she's already the only one drawn onboard, at the last page, among the Strawhats. In 977, she greets Jinbe like the SH do, and while we only see Sicilion leave the ship. And in 978, Oda goes even further, because we see more Minks, but they are always drawn as separated from the SH while Carrot isn't.
Furthermore, we have to take into account the reasons for which Oda had Carrot join the crew on WCI. What was her purpose ? She couldn't be here to represent the Minks, we had Pedro and even Pekoms to a lesser extent, since he ended turning on his crew to help those who had been helped by Pedro. However, of what we saw of those three Minks, Carrot was already better than Pekoms as a fighter and inheritor of Pedro's will since she had mastered the Sulong transformation.
And unlike Pedro, a lot more experienced fighter, she has litteraly all her life to live. Pedro sacrificed himself because his life had been stolen. Carrot represent the inheritor of his will but also, in a sense, of his life. At first, i thought she'd just end being the captain of a "Mink Division" of the Strawhats Grand Fleet, but I'm really starting to doubt that Oda is only aiming at it for her. Sicilion being the head of the Mink forces during this war indicates that he's proner to fill that role in the future, and Carrot isn't mature enough to be a captain.
However, Oda has given her a combative personnality (in fact, she tends to be just as eager for a brawl as Luffy, if not more, even when not blinded by rage and grief) but also highlighted how quickly she became close to the Strawhats she traveled with.
I'm not saying that she's obviously joining the crew after Wano. At least not yet. But I feel that she's certainly being poised to be more important than a lot of peoples seem to want for her.
By 976, she's already the only one drawn onboard, at the last page, among the Strawhats. In 977, she greets Jinbe like the SH do, and while we only see Sicilion leave the ship. And in 978, Oda goes even further, because we see more Minks, but they are always drawn as separated from the SH while Carrot isn't.
Furthermore, we have to take into account the reasons for which Oda had Carrot join the crew on WCI. What was her purpose ? She couldn't be here to represent the Minks, we had Pedro and even Pekoms to a lesser extent, since he ended turning on his crew to help those who had been helped by Pedro. However, of what we saw of those three Minks, Carrot was already better than Pekoms as a fighter and inheritor of Pedro's will since she had mastered the Sulong transformation.
And unlike Pedro, a lot more experienced fighter, she has litteraly all her life to live. Pedro sacrificed himself because his life had been stolen. Carrot represent the inheritor of his will but also, in a sense, of his life. At first, i thought she'd just end being the captain of a "Mink Division" of the Strawhats Grand Fleet, but I'm really starting to doubt that Oda is only aiming at it for her. Sicilion being the head of the Mink forces during this war indicates that he's proner to fill that role in the future, and Carrot isn't mature enough to be a captain.
However, Oda has given her a combative personnality (in fact, she tends to be just as eager for a brawl as Luffy, if not more, even when not blinded by rage and grief) but also highlighted how quickly she became close to the Strawhats she traveled with.
I'm not saying that she's obviously joining the crew after Wano. At least not yet. But I feel that she's certainly being poised to be more important than a lot of peoples seem to want for her.
This is Wanda on the Sunny, this is Sicilian, more prominent alongside some Strawhats than Carrot, Carrot was similarly in one of the panels like this.
In 976 she was in the background of the Strawhats reacting to Jinbe (as WCI team pretty logical that she would be shown), then Scabbards are shown then Law+Kidd were shown.
In 977 she is arguably shown among the Strawhats celebrating Jinbe´s return, Wanda is in the same panel, but she does know Jinbe personally and went through much in WCI.
In the same chapter, the 7 main fighters of Strawhats each get a fighting panel, whereas the supposed 3 cowards are shown hiding, Carrot nowhere in sight (it would have been perfect to show here as next Strawhats as well, considering she is now supposed to be a combatant and all), she is also not shown among the Strawhats when they are talking about saluting and drinking to Jinbe joining (or at least i have not seen her, maybe somewhere in the corner, but not visible at all, there is one that could be both Robin or Carrot, but considering only 10 are shown in the panel, it´s much more likely it´s Robin) (another perfect opportunity to show, look here, next Strawhat).
In 978 she is shown among the Strawhats in 2 panels again.
So admittedly, it´s a toss-up between featured and not featured, but the latter happened in more crucial panels in which every Strawhats was shown.
In regards to purpose, and we have talked about this many times, why does every character need a purpose? Oda literally does thousand different things for entertainment purposes.
Fact is, we needed substitute Strawhats in both Dressrosa and WCI. In Dressrosa we had the Grand Fleet with most prominent being Barto, Cavendish and Sai, and in WCI we had Pekomz, Pedro, Carrot and Bege.
And she served that purpose very well, i find her to be a very entertaining character, and unlike some characters, Oda does not overplay her quirks too much.
In 976 she was in the background of the Strawhats reacting to Jinbe (as WCI team pretty logical that she would be shown), then Scabbards are shown then Law+Kidd were shown.
In 977 she is arguably shown among the Strawhats celebrating Jinbe´s return, Wanda is in the same panel, but she does know Jinbe personally and went through much in WCI.
In the same chapter, the 7 main fighters of Strawhats each get a fighting panel, whereas the supposed 3 cowards are shown hiding, Carrot nowhere in sight (it would have been perfect to show here as next Strawhats as well, considering she is now supposed to be a combatant and all), she is also not shown among the Strawhats when they are talking about saluting and drinking to Jinbe joining (or at least i have not seen her, maybe somewhere in the corner, but not visible at all, there is one that could be both Robin or Carrot, but considering only 10 are shown in the panel, it´s much more likely it´s Robin) (another perfect opportunity to show, look here, next Strawhat).
In 978 she is shown among the Strawhats in 2 panels again.
So admittedly, it´s a toss-up between featured and not featured, but the latter happened in more crucial panels in which every Strawhats was shown.
In regards to purpose, and we have talked about this many times, why does every character need a purpose? Oda literally does thousand different things for entertainment purposes.
Fact is, we needed substitute Strawhats in both Dressrosa and WCI. In Dressrosa we had the Grand Fleet with most prominent being Barto, Cavendish and Sai, and in WCI we had Pekomz, Pedro, Carrot and Bege.
And she served that purpose very well, i find her to be a very entertaining character, and unlike some characters, Oda does not overplay her quirks too much.
Either way, just look at the descent to FMI.
In the moment in the recent chapter, Oda probably gave Usopp a moment to make up for his cowardice the previous chapter, and because sniping enemies from afar is literally his job description. Sure it involved him spotting the enemies, but that's no different from Nami's navigation and her amazing ability at reading weather, perfect currents, where to enter them, etc. and the overlap that has with the helmsman role.
Now that they're all on land, and are still sneaking around, this will be the perfect moment to see whether Oda's gonna push for Carrot to be a scout/lookout or not.
Either way, just look at the descent to FMI.
In the moment in the recent chapter, Oda probably gave Usopp a moment to make up for his cowardice the previous chapter, and because sniping enemies from afar is literally his job description. Sure it involved him spotting the enemies, but that's no different from Nami's navigation and her amazing ability at reading weather, perfect currents, where to enter them, etc. and the overlap that has with the helmsman role.
Now that they're all on land, and are still sneaking around, this will be the perfect moment to see whether Oda's gonna push for Carrot to be a scout/lookout or not.
They saw shadows, arguably without binoculars, but Usopp did the job.
Claiming his skills were not highlighted is disingenuous when you claim Carrot´s were doing the exact same thing.
Usopp does not have the AP to deal with that arm, the sniper´s job is to shoot from a distance nobody else can, as Sanji literally pointed out in Enies Lobby, do what nobody else of us can. The fact that Chopper defended against one tentacle, Franky shot off another, Robin being able to grow huge arms underwater and so on, a lot of people can step in, hence not a specific problem of a sniper.
Nobody could have prevented Sugar from turning Law and Luffy to toys with that distance though, same for Enies Lobby and a few other instances. Nobody can replace Franky as shipwright, which is stated, nobody else can play all instruments to the degree of even influencing the mood of people, nobody else can cook like Sanji, hence Luffy constantly missing his food when he is not around, nobody has the medical skills and knowledge of Chopper, a lot of people can use binoculars, and have used binoculars.
Just look at Jinbe, the moment he got onto the ship, it was natural for him to immediately go to the helm and steer it, and people once again pointing out how incredible he is as doing it.
We had several opportunities for Carrot, even in last chapter, nope.
Carrot could have easily spotted them and then tell Usopp to do something about it, would have been a team effort that naturally integrates Carrot with a specific role.
We are more and more extending the supposed deadline of when Carrot is gonna show these lookout skills.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but your interpretation has a big flaw for me. It doesn't explain why Carrot was there in WCI and is still drawn closer with the crew than any other Minks - just because she was on WCI doesn't warrant her hugging Jinbe and all, to me, not if Oda hasn't ulterior motives with the character.
Pedro was here, and Pekoms could have served Carrot's role, out of a sense of duty, when fights truly started. Or even a Samurai, such as Kin'emon, it wasn't as if he was indispensable in Wano, considering that he seems to have spent most time there stuck in the bushes all day...
Pedro was here, and Pekoms could have served Carrot's role, out of a sense of duty, when fights truly started. Or even a Samurai, such as Kin'emon, it wasn't as if he was indispensable in Wano, considering that he seems to have spent most time there stuck in the bushes all day...
I don't believe Carrot's shown what she can really do, and we may very well see that moment very shortly. You can come back and quote me on this.
I provided the official translation. They didn't see "shadows" like the fan translated scans, they saw people. I.e. Usopp spotting the guards was nothing special since others, without binoculars saw them too. It wasn't being highlighted, unlike the fact that he put them to sleep was.
Carrot spots something and then shouts down to the rest of the crew alerting them of the danger. Usopp spotted some guards (that others also spotted) and then sniped them, because he's the sniper.
Carrot's significance in the lookout position lies in the fact that she consistently did it a vast number of times. Not in any of the actual feats in WCI alone, since none of those were individually impressive.
I'm not saying, "Carrot's already amazing lookout, she can look through binoculars". I'm saying, that when working on the ship, Carrot has consistently found her role in the lookout/scout position. Even in her very introduction into the series. It is therefore possible that Oda will reveal her to have a talent at doing so, just like he did with Jinbe who had helmed before in the series, but all of a sudden had a huge focus put on his ability to do so that didn't previously exist.
1. Usopp does have the attack power to deal with that arm
2. Franky was the only one to actually shoot at the Kraken. Chopper just blocked and Robin pushed the ship away from danger. Franky literally fired projectiles at it when they were in a situation where they needed to attack it from a distance. A situation where the sniper should be the man to call.
3. Usopp then does almost the exact same thing as Franky a few chapters later and is also praised.
Actually Franky is able to play music to influence Luffy's mood.
This took place in the very arc that they got an official musician, despite it already being shown that Luffy loved Franky's music. At the time you could bet that people would point to this as proof that a musician isn't needed since they've already got Franky who has on multiple occasion whipped out his guitar to Luffy's pleasure.
That aside, I understand each straw hat can do something in their role that none of the others can do, hence why I expect Carrot to do the same shortly.
Jinbe had already helmed on a ship when they were rushing as fast as they could to Marineford to go save Ace. Jinbe was helming and there was zero focus on it. That would've been the perfect opportunity to reveal, "Wow, you're an amazing helmsman Jinbe! We got to Marineford so fast all because of your incredible skills at the wheel!" That never happened though. And zero attention would be drawn to his skills until another 300 chapters after that, until a situation was specifically created in which Oda finally wished to reveal it.
Yeah, I agree there were opportunities for Carrot's skills to have played a role. But I'm also aware that Oda's not always consistent in doing this and these skills come second to the plot. There are instances in which characters have a skill that could easily solve a situation, but they simply don't. Law choosing to leave Momo to his fate a few chapters ago for example. Or any of the others not doing anything about it.
That doesn't mean he will never showcase her ability though, and as I've said, I believe he will do so very shortly.
Jinbe had a whopping 300 chapters before his reveal. I think Carrot's fine.
I provided the official translation. They didn't see "shadows" like the fan translated scans, they saw people. I.e. Usopp spotting the guards was nothing special since others, without binoculars saw them too. It wasn't being highlighted, unlike the fact that he put them to sleep was.
Carrot spots something and then shouts down to the rest of the crew alerting them of the danger. Usopp spotted some guards (that others also spotted) and then sniped them, because he's the sniper.
Carrot's significance in the lookout position lies in the fact that she consistently did it a vast number of times. Not in any of the actual feats in WCI alone, since none of those were individually impressive.
I'm not saying, "Carrot's already amazing lookout, she can look through binoculars". I'm saying, that when working on the ship, Carrot has consistently found her role in the lookout/scout position. Even in her very introduction into the series. It is therefore possible that Oda will reveal her to have a talent at doing so, just like he did with Jinbe who had helmed before in the series, but all of a sudden had a huge focus put on his ability to do so that didn't previously exist.
1. Usopp does have the attack power to deal with that arm
2. Franky was the only one to actually shoot at the Kraken. Chopper just blocked and Robin pushed the ship away from danger. Franky literally fired projectiles at it when they were in a situation where they needed to attack it from a distance. A situation where the sniper should be the man to call.
3. Usopp then does almost the exact same thing as Franky a few chapters later and is also praised.
Actually Franky is able to play music to influence Luffy's mood.
This took place in the very arc that they got an official musician, despite it already being shown that Luffy loved Franky's music. At the time you could bet that people would point to this as proof that a musician isn't needed since they've already got Franky who has on multiple occasion whipped out his guitar to Luffy's pleasure.
That aside, I understand each straw hat can do something in their role that none of the others can do, hence why I expect Carrot to do the same shortly.
Jinbe had already helmed on a ship when they were rushing as fast as they could to Marineford to go save Ace. Jinbe was helming and there was zero focus on it. That would've been the perfect opportunity to reveal, "Wow, you're an amazing helmsman Jinbe! We got to Marineford so fast all because of your incredible skills at the wheel!" That never happened though. And zero attention would be drawn to his skills until another 300 chapters after that, until a situation was specifically created in which Oda finally wished to reveal it.
Yeah, I agree there were opportunities for Carrot's skills to have played a role. But I'm also aware that Oda's not always consistent in doing this and these skills come second to the plot. There are instances in which characters have a skill that could easily solve a situation, but they simply don't. Law choosing to leave Momo to his fate a few chapters ago for example. Or any of the others not doing anything about it.
That doesn't mean he will never showcase her ability though, and as I've said, I believe he will do so very shortly.
Jinbe had a whopping 300 chapters before his reveal. I think Carrot's fine.
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