Powers & Abilities Dressrosa Refresher: Where Straw Hats stand power wise since they last fought

#42
I personally think Franky is yet to go all out post TS, both as a lone fighter and in General Franky. We havent seen much from the rest either since all of them (except Robin) have lost to superior characters/armies, but Franky in particular im interested in.
 
#43
I personally think Franky is yet to go all out post TS, both as a lone fighter and in General Franky. We havent seen much from the rest either since all of them (except Robin) have lost to superior characters/armies, but Franky in particular im interested in.
Well, whatever level Franky can get to, he's yet to surpass Dellinger or Lao G. Remember, Sai surpassed Don Chinjao to do this:



That is some pretty powerful CoA to pass even Chinjao. Not saying needs something like that, but with every level, more and more ridiculous feats are needed.
 
#44
I can't believe I actually have to argue this. The dude actually saved Robin from Doffy's Bullet Strings


These bullets had enough strength to fell even Law

They’re just bullets made out of strings dude. Law also fell to normal bullets from Doffy.

Robin can’t block those because she has nothing in her arsenal that would work due to her sprouted limbs also feeling pain. Remember when you were whining about feats being circumstantial?

You even said in the OP that Gladius and Pink are on the same level, but Cavendish is somehow stronger than Franky despite losing to Gladius. Makes perfect sense
 
#45
They’re just bullets made out of strings dude. Law also fell to normal bullets from Doffy.

Robin can’t block those because she has nothing in her arsenal that would work due to her sprouted limbs also feeling pain. Remember when you were whining about feats being circumstantial?

You even said in the OP that Gladius and Pink are on the same level, but Cavendish is somehow stronger than Franky despite losing to Gladius. Makes perfect sense
Already addressed but ignored, like any other argument.
 
#46
They’re just bullets made out of strings dude. Law also fell to normal bullets from Doffy.
They fell... a Shichibukai...What's next, it's just a birdcage made of strings.... Parasite is also just some random strings.

but Cavendish is somehow stronger than Franky despite losing to Gladius. Makes perfect sense
Jesus fkn Christ. Some people on this forum are beyond hope. Mate, "losing" means KOed and out of action. It's not what you think it means.
 
#47
They fell... a Shichibukai...What's next, it's just a birdcage made of strings.... Parasite is also just some random strings.



Jesus fkn Christ. Some people on this forum are beyond hope. Mate, "losing" means KOed and out of action. It's not what you think it means.
Cavendish was literally begging for Barto to save his life from Gladius lmao
 
#48
I make a thread trying to rank Straw Hats based on Dressrosa, and get sucked into arguments trying to prove Cavendish, Luffy's highest bounty subordinate until end of WCI, and 1st division commander, is stronger than Robin. This dude:



Time to start ignoring some people. It's clear some have no intention of being rational or serious.


 
#49
I make a thread trying to rank Straw Hats based on Dressrosa, and get sucked into arguments trying to prove Cavendish, Luffy's highest bounty subordinate until end of WCI, and 1st division commander, is stronger than Robin. Time to start ignoring some people. It's clear some have no intention of being rational or serious.


Dude, his bounty was lower than pre-TS Kid’s despite the fact that his alter ego is a psycopath that goes around killing people nonstop. He had 3 years over the WG and a high body count, but still couldn’t surpass pre-TS Luffy’s and Kid’s bounties until he got a 50 mil increase from being associated with Luffy. If anything, his bounty is a bad showing
 
#50
Thank you for the big colorful post, but I got skeptical when Sanji was posted as a level above Pica (how do you see Sanji vs the stone?) and stopped reading at Franky not being too far ahead of Usopp.

Also, you can't make a thread on opinion and then go on about ignoring people for having a different opinion. Robin wrapped that boy, you seen it.
 
#51
Sanji is below Kyros. stop dreaminig ffs.
DR Sanji would have been unable to beat any of the executives including Trebol.

ridiulous and badly disguised Sanji wank thread with no basis and purely idiotic logic.
plus Cavendish downplay cause Sanji would lose to him :milaugh:

must be hard to enjoy a manga when you are so obsessed with powerlevels and your favorite constantly gets shafted.
 
#53
I make a thread trying to rank Straw Hats based on Dressrosa, and get sucked into arguments trying to prove Cavendish, Luffy's highest bounty subordinate until end of WCI, and 1st division commander, is stronger than Robin. This dude:



Time to start ignoring some people. It's clear some have no intention of being rational or serious.


A sword not piercing somebody´s flesh and nearly breaking, he needing to dodge without Chinjao using Haki nor Hasshoken -> feat for Cavendish.
Yes, you need to prove it, since everything says otherwise.
 
#54
There is no evidence that vergo or pica are superior or inferior to each other. Obviously sanji at the time was slightly below vergo due to damage nami gave him.
 
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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#55
Not used with those ranks, anyways

Luffy and Zoro: well above YC1 level
Jinbe (land) and Sanji: YC3.5
Mid trio: still below veteran level
Weak trio: even below mid trio except for Nami who is stronger
 
#56
Since I was accused of not knowing anything about power levels
When you say something like this


Vergo (A+)
- - - Sanji (A) - - -
Pica (A-)
Then follow it up with this...

It becomes quite hard to defend the first statement.

Non of the Strawhats bar Luffy and possibly Ussop went all out in DR so you can't use that to make a power level argument for Wano several arcs later
 
#57
When you say something like this



Then follow it up with this...

It becomes quite hard to defend the first statement.

None of the Strawhats bar Luffy and possibly Ussop went all out in DR so you can't use that to make a power level argument for Wano several arcs later
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Most of the strawhats bar luffy sanji ussopp and brook have not gone all out in the new world therefore you can't really scale them.
I mean though it wasn't really fair as far as power scaling ussopp goes as he is a long distance fighter which in one piece is a very minor speciality which even some yonko don't have. He has taken out ceasar, and sugar low diff.
Luffy has always had caveats to his fights. Hody making him bleed and having to stop the ark, ceasar getting cheap wins against him, teaming up with law to take out doffy, katakuri stabbing himself but luffy breaking out of prison just beforehand.
Sanji was nerfed before fighting vergo.
Jinbe has taken blows from a yonko but ultimately we don't know how many blows from big mom he could take.
Brooke was up against a yonko when he lost.
Law outright beat smoker and vergo and vergo beat smoker who was stalling him. But then lost against doffy and fujitora.

Zoro low diff beat Monet and maybe at a stretch mid diff beat pics who spent the whole fight running away.

Zoro got beat by benkei when he was fighting killer.

None of this is outright usable to scale characters because honestly the way oda writes and draws most fights there are lots of ifs and buts left so creating a ranking to model fights although in some ways is predictive is not really feasible as sometimes oda does rug pulls like luffy being immune to enel ability or learning future sight mid battle.
Example in a head on fight would ceasar really be able to take out luffy. Probably not.
 
#58
Robin willingly putting her Body over Law's to protect him from Flamingo ,is twisted to say that Cavendish protected her ,as if she was incapable of dodging it .
Amazing stuff.
I Might as well use this to say that Diamante wouldn't be able to Deal with Robin because she could constantly Redirect his attacks if she wanted.


Hakuba that can't be reasoned with ,was stopped in his tracks and couldn't escape Robin's hands is somehow ignored for match up reasons.

Blitzing Dblock doesn't matter when there wasn't any notable fighter there,and Rebecca managed to get away from it.
Delinger was unaware of his existence .

Bounties reasons= no comment...

There'd be a point for Pink = Franky if Franky used Radical beams and CDB attacks..
Btw in Franky Vs Pink Franky was constantly getting hit in his back something that won't happen in other fights..His durability didn't get tested there at all.
 
#59
Power levels don't exist in this manga. Stop making up random grades like 4 year old.

Douriki is the only time Oda ever compared "power" within a villain group and it was never used again.
 
#60
Robin willingly putting her Body over Law's to protect him from Flamingo ,is twisted to say that Cavendish protected her ,as if she was incapable of dodging it .
Amazing stuff.
I Might as well use this to say that Diamante wouldn't be able to Deal with Robin because she could constantly Redirect his attacks if she wanted.


Hakuba that can't be reasoned with ,was stopped in his tracks and couldn't escape Robin's hands is somehow ignored for match up reasons.

Blitzing Dblock doesn't matter when there wasn't any notable fighter there,and Rebecca managed to get away from it.
Delinger was unaware of his existence .

Bounties reasons= no comment...

There'd be a point for Pink = Franky if Franky used Radical beams and CDB attacks..
Btw in Franky Vs Pink Franky was constantly getting hit in his back something that won't happen in other fights..His durability didn't get tested there at all.
Yep also good points i failed to see/mention. The dude literally went for Franky´s back for 30 times.
 
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