Powers & Abilities The Power to Observe
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Oda never said Sanji is better at Observation than Zoro or Luffy.
He listed haki affinities for all 3 of them. Aka one color they are naturally drawn to.
As it happens, those listed are the first types of haki each of them used.
Luffy used CoC before using CoA and CoO and thus CoC affinity.
Sanji used CoO before CoA (and CoC if he has it) and thus CoO affinity.
Zoro used CoA before using CoC and CoO and thus CoA affinity.
That's all there is, it tells nothing who is better at CoO between 3 of them or CoA...
However, since Zoro is a true hakiman of the OP world, he possibly used all 3 types before Sanji and Luffy.
If Asura turns out to be CoC related and Breath he heard in Alabasta is CoO...
He listed haki affinities for all 3 of them. Aka one color they are naturally drawn to.
As it happens, those listed are the first types of haki each of them used.
Luffy used CoC before using CoA and CoO and thus CoC affinity.
Sanji used CoO before CoA (and CoC if he has it) and thus CoO affinity.
Zoro used CoA before using CoC and CoO and thus CoA affinity.
That's all there is, it tells nothing who is better at CoO between 3 of them or CoA...
However, since Zoro is a true hakiman of the OP world, he possibly used all 3 types before Sanji and Luffy.
If Asura turns out to be CoC related and Breath he heard in Alabasta is CoO...
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Mihawk knew what was being talked on the reverie despite being miles away... Both his nicknames also speak for themselves.
Zoro's CoO Power up gonna happen against shiryu exactly because mihawk's greatest weapon is most likely not his swordsmanship, but rather his insane CoO hence "clairvoyant".
By the way, film red had usopp CoO being able to see through a whole another dimension lol, not to mention yasopp's CoO aswell.
Zoro's CoO Power up gonna happen against shiryu exactly because mihawk's greatest weapon is most likely not his swordsmanship, but rather his insane CoO hence "clairvoyant".
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By the way, film red had usopp CoO being able to see through a whole another dimension lol, not to mention yasopp's CoO aswell.
Of course it is CoO, its the same thing but just for non living things.
FS user doesnt have more time to react in CQC high speed exchange, the clashes are instant. FS true advantage is before the clashes happen and if there are pauses in CQC exchange.
Everything that Katakuri does based on FS against Fujitora will be detected just the same as if he wouldnt act based on FS. All of it carries the same intent that regular Observation detects.
Not a single good Observer would struggle against FS.
FS user doesnt have more time to react in CQC high speed exchange, the clashes are instant. FS true advantage is before the clashes happen and if there are pauses in CQC exchange.
Everything that Katakuri does based on FS against Fujitora will be detected just the same as if he wouldnt act based on FS. All of it carries the same intent that regular Observation detects.
Not a single good Observer would struggle against FS.
If we go by statistics Luffy and zoro's CoO usage would be probably like this if plotted on a scatter graph:
Zoro's scatter plot
Luffy's scatter plot
Note:
The inclined line denotes basic usage of CoO
Outliers are either much higher usage of CoO/ very low usage of CoO
Looking both these graphs, it denotes that:
1. Zoro's usage of basic Coa is linear and consistent, but he does not have any Outliers
reason: Zoro is much focused than luffy during fights. he does not goof around like luffy. Lack of High Outlier is due to zoros lack of advanced CoO like foresight.
2. Luffy's basic usage of CoO is inconsistent, but he has multiple Outliers
Very High Outliers determine the usage of foresight, WHICH SPEAK ITSELF OF ADVANCED LEVEL OF CoO, that Luffy can only produce
Very low Outliers determine when he is not serious and just playing around.
Reason: luffy is just not serious as zoro while fighting consistently.
Luffy's opponents being much stronger than zoro's opponents, which can hinder concentration
Zoro's scatter plot
Luffy's scatter plot
Note:
The inclined line denotes basic usage of CoO
Outliers are either much higher usage of CoO/ very low usage of CoO
Looking both these graphs, it denotes that:
1. Zoro's usage of basic Coa is linear and consistent, but he does not have any Outliers
reason: Zoro is much focused than luffy during fights. he does not goof around like luffy. Lack of High Outlier is due to zoros lack of advanced CoO like foresight.
2. Luffy's basic usage of CoO is inconsistent, but he has multiple Outliers
Very High Outliers determine the usage of foresight, WHICH SPEAK ITSELF OF ADVANCED LEVEL OF CoO, that Luffy can only produce
Very low Outliers determine when he is not serious and just playing around.
Reason: luffy is just not serious as zoro while fighting consistently.
Luffy's opponents being much stronger than zoro's opponents, which can hinder concentration
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I'm going to use this thread just to show Kaido's CoO here.
He was easily able to "hear the voices" of the members on the roof after the Hakai, something Big Mom couldn't even though everything was covered in dust.
Even without making use of the FS he still managed to defend himself against some blows from Luffy's Snack man that are characterized by being very fast.
With Kaidou deciding to make use of his FS overcoming all of Luffy's blow and blitzing him in the process.
Kaidou's CoO has the all-encompassing ability and scope of knowing everything that's going on in Onigashima with him knowing what happened to Big Mom while Luffy doesn't, Luffy only came to question whether Kid and Law had defeated Big Mom after Kaidou told him.
Another evidence of Kaidou's CoO being able to easily identify what goes on inside the castle and across the island is the speed with which he found Momonosuke.
Kaidou's FS surpasses Luffy's FS and in general Kaidou's CoO still has better characteristics compared to Luffy's CoO such as the ability to sense the presence of individuals even far away as was the case here and even "voices"...
In general, Kaidou has the 3 characteristics:
- Feel the voices
- Feel the presences.
- See the future.
While Luffy's, although he has the ability to see the future, he failed in the aspect of sensing long-distance presences as was the case here with Kaidou who managed to see that Linlin lost even though he was outside Onigashima.
He was easily able to "hear the voices" of the members on the roof after the Hakai, something Big Mom couldn't even though everything was covered in dust.
Even without making use of the FS he still managed to defend himself against some blows from Luffy's Snack man that are characterized by being very fast.
With Kaidou deciding to make use of his FS overcoming all of Luffy's blow and blitzing him in the process.
Kaidou's CoO has the all-encompassing ability and scope of knowing everything that's going on in Onigashima with him knowing what happened to Big Mom while Luffy doesn't, Luffy only came to question whether Kid and Law had defeated Big Mom after Kaidou told him.
Another evidence of Kaidou's CoO being able to easily identify what goes on inside the castle and across the island is the speed with which he found Momonosuke.
Kaidou's FS surpasses Luffy's FS and in general Kaidou's CoO still has better characteristics compared to Luffy's CoO such as the ability to sense the presence of individuals even far away as was the case here and even "voices"...
In general, Kaidou has the 3 characteristics:
- Feel the voices
- Feel the presences.
- See the future.
While Luffy's, although he has the ability to see the future, he failed in the aspect of sensing long-distance presences as was the case here with Kaidou who managed to see that Linlin lost even though he was outside Onigashima.
I'm going to use this thread just to show Kaido's CoO here.
He was easily able to "hear the voices" of the members on the roof after the Hakai, something Big Mom couldn't even though everything was covered in dust.
Even without making use of the FS he still managed to defend himself against some blows from Luffy's Snack man that are characterized by being very fast.
With Kaidou deciding to make use of his FS overcoming all of Luffy's blow and blitzing him in the process.
Kaidou's CoO has the all-encompassing ability and scope of knowing everything that's going on in Onigashima with him knowing what happened to Big Mom while Luffy doesn't, Luffy only came to question whether Kid and Law had defeated Big Mom after Kaidou told him.
Another evidence of Kaidou's CoO being able to easily identify what goes on inside the castle and across the island is the speed with which he found Momonosuke.
Kaidou's FS surpasses Luffy's FS and in general Kaidou's CoO still has better characteristics compared to Luffy's CoO such as the ability to sense the presence of individuals even far away as was the case here and even "voices"...
In general, Kaidou has the 3 characteristics:
- Feel the voices
- Feel the presences.
- See the future.
While Luffy's, although he has the ability to see the future, he failed in the aspect of sensing long-distance presences as was the case here with Kaidou who managed to see that Linlin lost even though he was outside Onigashima.
He was easily able to "hear the voices" of the members on the roof after the Hakai, something Big Mom couldn't even though everything was covered in dust.
Even without making use of the FS he still managed to defend himself against some blows from Luffy's Snack man that are characterized by being very fast.
With Kaidou deciding to make use of his FS overcoming all of Luffy's blow and blitzing him in the process.
Kaidou's CoO has the all-encompassing ability and scope of knowing everything that's going on in Onigashima with him knowing what happened to Big Mom while Luffy doesn't, Luffy only came to question whether Kid and Law had defeated Big Mom after Kaidou told him.
Another evidence of Kaidou's CoO being able to easily identify what goes on inside the castle and across the island is the speed with which he found Momonosuke.
Kaidou's FS surpasses Luffy's FS and in general Kaidou's CoO still has better characteristics compared to Luffy's CoO such as the ability to sense the presence of individuals even far away as was the case here and even "voices"...
In general, Kaidou has the 3 characteristics:
- Feel the voices
- Feel the presences.
- See the future.
While Luffy's, although he has the ability to see the future, he failed in the aspect of sensing long-distance presences as was the case here with Kaidou who managed to see that Linlin lost even though he was outside Onigashima.
Probably due to his toughness, he doesnt observe all the time. He doesnt need to.
Especially against blunt damage users like Luffy who cant harm him significantly.
Also, I dont think he has FS but rather an ability to copy/steal from others with Drunken Thief.
Zoro fought the same guy and his Observation was never hindered.
Luffy's up time is simply far too low to be a good Observer.