Top 50 strongest characters alive 2022 Poll Round 3 #2
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How did Shiryu get imprisoned then? He's a psycho who loves killing. So if he was as strong as magellan He wouldn't have been locked up and under the mercy of Magellan. Shiryu warns BBP against Magellan. And magellan himself says he would take care of him if he betrays him after releasing him. Magellan was in the shitter for most of the time. Thus shiryu was able to go on his sadistic killing of the prisoners unrestricted. That is the reason he is "said to be" equal to Magellan. Shiryu would get negged the same was BBp did by magellan's hax lol.
Dragon has portrayal magnitudes above Shiryu lol. Shiryu will be the opponent of a yc1+ zoro. Law is already above that. Law smoked smoker. And Law had to fight Fuji and Doffy at the same time before he got taken down. And he still did amazing against doffy the second time. Doffy having to literally stitch up his innards to stay on his feets.
Law gets hit and keeps going lol. Especially with his stamina draining fruit too.
Law's shambles can only be stopped if they have yonko level haki. This is confirmed in the manga. Shiryu ain't it.
King has a gimmick lol. That is not out toughing Kaido lmao. The fact is, shiryu just hasn't shown any haki whatsoever. So until he does, don't hold your breath.
King has shit haki lol. He was carried by his gimmick. And oda had to make him retarded and throw that away for zoro to defeat him.
Yeah. Zoro with his best attack couldn't do what luffy did with his spammable low tier attacks.
Kat doesn't have the attack power to damage law lol. Law took blows from Kaido and BM and was fine.
Oden ain't shanks level. You really think He's WB roger rocks level because kaido had him in that image Lmao. So you saying Mihawk isn't as strong? That is a list of people Kaido fought. And the Kaido that fought oden was much weaker than the current kaido. Oden himself says to kaido to get stronger. Kaido got much stronger in 20 years.
Do you understand the Sun moon comparison? Do you know just how massive and powerful the sun is compared to the moon? Don't take a literary effect at face value just because the sun and the moon look the same size to you from down here lol.
Law and Kid put BM there. Even if the bomb hadn't been there. She still would have fallen to the lava and drowned. She couldn't even use her powers because of Law. She was literally grasping at straws when she tried to grab the bomb hoping it's some thing she can use to pull herself up lol.
Law has the portrayal of beating a yonko, having a yonko like bounty, and the feats to go with it. Shiryu has none.
King has a gimmick lol. King would have won if he chose to tank the attacks with the flame on. Because he saw and he himself said that zoro wouldn't have lasted long with enma sucking him off and the Mink magic medicine running out. But he chose the stupidest thing he could have done and threw that advantage away. Zoro wouldn't have won if he kept the flames on.
Zoro's coa has alreasy been upgraded thanks to enma. He doesn't need better coa now that he can use advcoc thanks to enma. And with shiryu having the clear clear fruit of all the fruits, it's highly likely it's gonna be a coo test. A gimmicky fight where shiryu stabs zoro in the back and runs and hides. And zoro has to develop his coo to tag him.
BB won't be sloppy from here on out and you won't have this argument to justify anything lol. He's now taking Law 100% seriously if he wasn't already. And if Law goes down in anything less than a high diff, i will take the L.
Rooftop showed what we have always known. Zoro ain't on luffy's level. Zoro with his best attack got a small scar on kaido. A scar that became irrelevant after like 20 chapters because luffy fucking "killed" him. And that too a much stronger Kaido with mcuh more stronger techniques and forms than anything he used against zoro lol.
Luffy is the pirate jesus and Oda will always have him over Zoro. Zoro's entire character is being the second fiddle to luffy. Throwing away his pride and asking mihawk to teach him for luffy's sake shows that clearly. But you guys stick to this pathetic agenda that Zoro is even comparable to luffy. And i doubt anything i can say will change your mind.
Dont be silly, lmao. Are Lawbros that desperate to call that thing a CoO feat because he got nothing better? 
Yeah, current Law got stronger attacks. Stronger attacks=/=better CQC.
What do you know about Shiryu's haki, lol? Imagine a top-tier swordsman with Saijo O Wazamono having shit haki...
Dragon hasnt shown anything, Imu hasnt shown anything, just like Shiryu... Doesn't mean they are weaker than Law because of it.
Law is actually quite a bad swordsman, we saw his CQC against Smoker and Doffy. Inferior to both.
Inferior to Vergo's as well. What has Law actually achieved with his CQC against Doffy?
And if you ask why Shiryu is better at CQC - because swordsmen have to be that good, they cannot allow themselves to be hit.
And Law gets hit way too often, head on.
Yeah, current Law got stronger attacks. Stronger attacks=/=better CQC.
What do you know about Shiryu's haki, lol? Imagine a top-tier swordsman with Saijo O Wazamono having shit haki...
Dragon hasnt shown anything, Imu hasnt shown anything, just like Shiryu... Doesn't mean they are weaker than Law because of it.
Law is actually quite a bad swordsman, we saw his CQC against Smoker and Doffy. Inferior to both.
Inferior to Vergo's as well. What has Law actually achieved with his CQC against Doffy?
And if you ask why Shiryu is better at CQC - because swordsmen have to be that good, they cannot allow themselves to be hit.
And Law gets hit way too often, head on.
Law gets hit and keeps going lol. Especially with his stamina draining fruit too.
Law's shambles can only be stopped if they have yonko level haki. This is confirmed in the manga. Shiryu ain't it.
King has a gimmick lol. That is not out toughing Kaido lmao. The fact is, shiryu just hasn't shown any haki whatsoever. So until he does, don't hold your breath.
King has shit haki lol. He was carried by his gimmick. And oda had to make him retarded and throw that away for zoro to defeat him.
Yeah. Zoro with his best attack couldn't do what luffy did with his spammable low tier attacks.
Kat doesn't have the attack power to damage law lol. Law took blows from Kaido and BM and was fine.
Oden ain't shanks level. You really think He's WB roger rocks level because kaido had him in that image Lmao. So you saying Mihawk isn't as strong? That is a list of people Kaido fought. And the Kaido that fought oden was much weaker than the current kaido. Oden himself says to kaido to get stronger. Kaido got much stronger in 20 years.
Do you understand the Sun moon comparison? Do you know just how massive and powerful the sun is compared to the moon? Don't take a literary effect at face value just because the sun and the moon look the same size to you from down here lol.
Law and Kid put BM there. Even if the bomb hadn't been there. She still would have fallen to the lava and drowned. She couldn't even use her powers because of Law. She was literally grasping at straws when she tried to grab the bomb hoping it's some thing she can use to pull herself up lol.
Law has the portrayal of beating a yonko, having a yonko like bounty, and the feats to go with it. Shiryu has none.
King has a gimmick lol. King would have won if he chose to tank the attacks with the flame on. Because he saw and he himself said that zoro wouldn't have lasted long with enma sucking him off and the Mink magic medicine running out. But he chose the stupidest thing he could have done and threw that advantage away. Zoro wouldn't have won if he kept the flames on.
Zoro's coa has alreasy been upgraded thanks to enma. He doesn't need better coa now that he can use advcoc thanks to enma. And with shiryu having the clear clear fruit of all the fruits, it's highly likely it's gonna be a coo test. A gimmicky fight where shiryu stabs zoro in the back and runs and hides. And zoro has to develop his coo to tag him.
BB won't be sloppy from here on out and you won't have this argument to justify anything lol. He's now taking Law 100% seriously if he wasn't already. And if Law goes down in anything less than a high diff, i will take the L.
Rooftop showed what we have always known. Zoro ain't on luffy's level. Zoro with his best attack got a small scar on kaido. A scar that became irrelevant after like 20 chapters because luffy fucking "killed" him. And that too a much stronger Kaido with mcuh more stronger techniques and forms than anything he used against zoro lol.
Luffy is the pirate jesus and Oda will always have him over Zoro. Zoro's entire character is being the second fiddle to luffy. Throwing away his pride and asking mihawk to teach him for luffy's sake shows that clearly. But you guys stick to this pathetic agenda that Zoro is even comparable to luffy. And i doubt anything i can say will change your mind.
He has a guy as strong as him and the entire prison staff against him, he walked into a cell willingly...
He isnt at Magellan's mercy, he is sitting in prison, that's all. And Magellan releases Shiryu to take care of the same guys that Magellan ended up taking care of. No, that is not the reason why he was said to be equal with Magellan, that was the reason why he was said to be more dangerous than Magellan. Their power being equal is a separate statement that has nothing to do with Magellan's diarhea.
You do understand that Shiryu's ability doesnt take time to neg anyone? It negs people instantly.
You are obviously trying to undermine Shiryu here but Zoro's opponents prove over and over again that they are something special.
And he has yet to show what he will be able to make with Clear no Mi and I can understand anti-Zolo pirates shaking...
Dragon ran away from the guy who ran away from Rayleigh, lol.
Shiryu will have to stop a guy who TWO Emperors combined couldnt stop. Zoro is top tier since Sabaody and since Wano, he is in the "handful of very strongest". Law is not above any YC1 character, forget about being above Zoro and Shiryu, lol.
Smoker grabbed Law by the neck and slammed him into the ground. Ridiculously bad showing from Law.
Doffy had to stitch himself because Law played dead to land a cheap shot, not becuase Law is good in CQC. You need to try better, lol.
Doffy dispatched rather easily of him and Doffy's damage aint among the best out there, certainly not comparable to swordsmen...
Says who? Doc Q's ability didnt need Yonko level haki to be stopped. You have no clue how good Shiryu's haki is, that's a fact.
There is no gimmick. You cannot work around his flame ON, there is no trick to beat it. And yes, King literally said his toughess is another level compared to Kaido's and we saw it with our own eyes when he took 0 damage from attacks that damaged Kaido.
Shiryu doesnt need to show anything for me to scale him properly. Just like I didnt need anything from Zoro to know that he is the strongest among rooftop 5. Remember that I can predict long before feats confirm it. That's why I predicted Zoro> everyone and Luffy's every L he took vs Kaido. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Shiryu aint that guy and good luck with it.
King doesnt need any haki whatsoever. He has an ability that the world ended up calling godly. And that ability isnt a gimmick that you can trick yourself around it. You have to rely on King's mercy to turn it off. And even then he can face tank aCoC slashes from Zoro.
Flame on or off, King is the toughest guy in the world. Indeed, Oda had to make him leave flame mode because it simply isnt defeatable.
I like the copium but it doesnt work with me. Through Luffy's own admission, his hits didnt do anything because they were too shallow.
Meanwhile, after Zoro ripped his chest open, Kaido think he could rule the world with his strength. There are levels to this.
Katakuri's spinning Mogura will take Law's head off. Taking blunt damage and taking piercing/tearing/slashing damage isnt same.
Meme and Kaido couldnt take Law's arm off, Doffy could. Katakuri can. Zoro can. Shiryu can. Lethality wins.
Tell that to Kaido who didnt make any distinction between Oden and Roger, Shanks, Whitebeard and Rocks.
Yes, he is that level because even the author himself said that Oden returned to Wano triumphant and invincible. And on top of all that, among those 5, he is the only one who actually managed to leave a scar on Kaido. Seems like Oden was above them all...
Kaido never fought Mihawk, I guess. Kaido who fought Oden was already in his prime and not much weaker than now, that's copium.
The point of the Moon aka RHM is not to be incomparable to the captain but to actually be like a 2nd captain. Shanks is a fool just like Luffy and thus Zoro and Beckman take charge due to those two gagging around.
Law and Kidd never came close to taking her out, she took two nukes and fell into magma. Law or Kidd simply aint that guy.
She was a free fall, that's why she was trying to grab onto anything and why wouldnt she... lol
Law absolutely does not have a portrayal of beating a Yonko. That's straight up a delusion.
Neither did he take a Yonko by himself nor did he take a Yonko with someone else helping him but it was two nukes who took out a Yonko when Law and another guy were at the end and admitted they couldnt fight anymore.
So bottom line, not only did he not take out a Yonko but his feats also are lacking and his bounty is thanks to 9 bil being split 3 ways and still a nobody like Shiryu skins him alive...
King was tanking attacks head on with flames and didnt win. Once again, do you even know what a gimmick is?
It wasnt Enma who was sucking Zoro dry, it was his new haki state King of Hell which he can turn off any time he wants but sure, Mink medicine was a time bomb which usually wouldnt be there on a fresh Zoro so with it removed, he cant play a long game and win.
And he didnt throw advantage away, he flew into the sky which is where he has advantage and was still beaten. If flame ON is invincible and King never leaves it, Zoro loses only due to Mink medicine, not because of King himself. Not being able to damage him =/= losing.
You are too much of a casual to understand why Zoro needs better CoA to beat Shiryu... Having strong CoA and being able to cut Nothing are two different worlds. Just because you have strong CoA, doesnt mean you can cut fire - Luffy is the best example. He cant do shit to fire. And Zoro's CoO is way too good to be challenged by mere invisibility. The goal of Shiryu fight is to deal with his Awakening and no way Zoro will be backstabbed by Shiryu. Damage from swordsmen is way too high to allow clean hits, aint happening.
Blackbeard will always be sloppy just like Meme was, from start to finish. And Law didnt push Blackbeard even to a low diff, lol.
Using a couple of named attacks doesnt make the fight a high diff even if you wish it was...
You are delusional, rooftop Zoro has proven that he is far above other 4 put together. Neither of them came even close to leaving a permanent mark on Kaido that he cant recover or even bigger flex, blocking Hakai. They were all toddlers compared to Zoro.
Luffy didnt kill anything, he is incapable of killing a fly. Blazing Bagua is an easy target for Zoro and we saw how magma attacks get chopped up by the King of Hell... Zoro is the strongest being in the world and yall are either pretending or simply delusional to not see it.
No, Zoro is never comparable to Luffy. He could never be that weak. Imagine Zoro needing 11 hours to defeat people... He could never be that incompetent. Zoro is the ultimate fighting machine in OP world and comparing him with Luffy is an absolute insult to his overwhelming power. That cannot be debated.
He isnt at Magellan's mercy, he is sitting in prison, that's all. And Magellan releases Shiryu to take care of the same guys that Magellan ended up taking care of. No, that is not the reason why he was said to be equal with Magellan, that was the reason why he was said to be more dangerous than Magellan. Their power being equal is a separate statement that has nothing to do with Magellan's diarhea.
You do understand that Shiryu's ability doesnt take time to neg anyone? It negs people instantly.
You are obviously trying to undermine Shiryu here but Zoro's opponents prove over and over again that they are something special.
And he has yet to show what he will be able to make with Clear no Mi and I can understand anti-Zolo pirates shaking...
Dragon ran away from the guy who ran away from Rayleigh, lol.
Shiryu will have to stop a guy who TWO Emperors combined couldnt stop. Zoro is top tier since Sabaody and since Wano, he is in the "handful of very strongest". Law is not above any YC1 character, forget about being above Zoro and Shiryu, lol.
Smoker grabbed Law by the neck and slammed him into the ground. Ridiculously bad showing from Law.
Doffy had to stitch himself because Law played dead to land a cheap shot, not becuase Law is good in CQC. You need to try better, lol.
Doffy dispatched rather easily of him and Doffy's damage aint among the best out there, certainly not comparable to swordsmen...
Says who? Doc Q's ability didnt need Yonko level haki to be stopped. You have no clue how good Shiryu's haki is, that's a fact.
There is no gimmick. You cannot work around his flame ON, there is no trick to beat it. And yes, King literally said his toughess is another level compared to Kaido's and we saw it with our own eyes when he took 0 damage from attacks that damaged Kaido.
Shiryu doesnt need to show anything for me to scale him properly. Just like I didnt need anything from Zoro to know that he is the strongest among rooftop 5. Remember that I can predict long before feats confirm it. That's why I predicted Zoro> everyone and Luffy's every L he took vs Kaido. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Shiryu aint that guy and good luck with it.
King doesnt need any haki whatsoever. He has an ability that the world ended up calling godly. And that ability isnt a gimmick that you can trick yourself around it. You have to rely on King's mercy to turn it off. And even then he can face tank aCoC slashes from Zoro.
Flame on or off, King is the toughest guy in the world. Indeed, Oda had to make him leave flame mode because it simply isnt defeatable.
I like the copium but it doesnt work with me. Through Luffy's own admission, his hits didnt do anything because they were too shallow.
Meanwhile, after Zoro ripped his chest open, Kaido think he could rule the world with his strength. There are levels to this.
Katakuri's spinning Mogura will take Law's head off. Taking blunt damage and taking piercing/tearing/slashing damage isnt same.
Meme and Kaido couldnt take Law's arm off, Doffy could. Katakuri can. Zoro can. Shiryu can. Lethality wins.
Tell that to Kaido who didnt make any distinction between Oden and Roger, Shanks, Whitebeard and Rocks.
Yes, he is that level because even the author himself said that Oden returned to Wano triumphant and invincible. And on top of all that, among those 5, he is the only one who actually managed to leave a scar on Kaido. Seems like Oden was above them all...
Kaido never fought Mihawk, I guess. Kaido who fought Oden was already in his prime and not much weaker than now, that's copium.
The point of the Moon aka RHM is not to be incomparable to the captain but to actually be like a 2nd captain. Shanks is a fool just like Luffy and thus Zoro and Beckman take charge due to those two gagging around.
Law and Kidd never came close to taking her out, she took two nukes and fell into magma. Law or Kidd simply aint that guy.
She was a free fall, that's why she was trying to grab onto anything and why wouldnt she... lol
Law absolutely does not have a portrayal of beating a Yonko. That's straight up a delusion.
Neither did he take a Yonko by himself nor did he take a Yonko with someone else helping him but it was two nukes who took out a Yonko when Law and another guy were at the end and admitted they couldnt fight anymore.
So bottom line, not only did he not take out a Yonko but his feats also are lacking and his bounty is thanks to 9 bil being split 3 ways and still a nobody like Shiryu skins him alive...
King was tanking attacks head on with flames and didnt win. Once again, do you even know what a gimmick is?
It wasnt Enma who was sucking Zoro dry, it was his new haki state King of Hell which he can turn off any time he wants but sure, Mink medicine was a time bomb which usually wouldnt be there on a fresh Zoro so with it removed, he cant play a long game and win.
And he didnt throw advantage away, he flew into the sky which is where he has advantage and was still beaten. If flame ON is invincible and King never leaves it, Zoro loses only due to Mink medicine, not because of King himself. Not being able to damage him =/= losing.
You are too much of a casual to understand why Zoro needs better CoA to beat Shiryu... Having strong CoA and being able to cut Nothing are two different worlds. Just because you have strong CoA, doesnt mean you can cut fire - Luffy is the best example. He cant do shit to fire. And Zoro's CoO is way too good to be challenged by mere invisibility. The goal of Shiryu fight is to deal with his Awakening and no way Zoro will be backstabbed by Shiryu. Damage from swordsmen is way too high to allow clean hits, aint happening.
Blackbeard will always be sloppy just like Meme was, from start to finish. And Law didnt push Blackbeard even to a low diff, lol.
Using a couple of named attacks doesnt make the fight a high diff even if you wish it was...
You are delusional, rooftop Zoro has proven that he is far above other 4 put together. Neither of them came even close to leaving a permanent mark on Kaido that he cant recover or even bigger flex, blocking Hakai. They were all toddlers compared to Zoro.
Luffy didnt kill anything, he is incapable of killing a fly. Blazing Bagua is an easy target for Zoro and we saw how magma attacks get chopped up by the King of Hell... Zoro is the strongest being in the world and yall are either pretending or simply delusional to not see it.
No, Zoro is never comparable to Luffy. He could never be that weak. Imagine Zoro needing 11 hours to defeat people... He could never be that incompetent. Zoro is the ultimate fighting machine in OP world and comparing him with Luffy is an absolute insult to his overwhelming power. That cannot be debated.
