Powers & Abilities Did Oden Have KoH?
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But Zoro never used aCoC on Kaido just like Oden never poured as much haki into Enma as Zoro does.
Oden never came close to killing Kaido. Both scars dealt the same damage and Zoro's feat is far more impressive.
The reason why Oden doesnt die from exuding haki is because he doesnt release anywhere close to how much Zoro releases.
This isnt complicated, it is made for teenagers to understand.
Oden never came close to killing Kaido. Both scars dealt the same damage and Zoro's feat is far more impressive.
The reason why Oden doesnt die from exuding haki is because he doesnt release anywhere close to how much Zoro releases.
This isnt complicated, it is made for teenagers to understand.
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He does, small clumsy amounts. But still uses it as Kaido implies.
that gave me a genuine chuckle. But in all seriousness that’s nonsense. Kaido has wet dreams over wat Oden did to him. Zoro attack some below his time, he decides a non swordsman has a better shot at beating him in (luffy)…. That’s after Oden him him looking for a swordsman for 20+ years
Based on green smoke? Legion kills me with these 4D Analysis.
U said it best, it’s for teens not complicated at all. Hence the guy wank by a Yonko for decades specifically for “Haki”!!! Literally asking people if they have “Oden Haki”. Significantly above current zoro portrayal that no Yonko acknowledged yet for haki
He does, small clumsy amounts. But still uses it as Kaido implies.
that gave me a genuine chuckle. But in all seriousness that’s nonsense. Kaido has wet dreams over wat Oden did to him. Zoro attack some below his time, he decides a non swordsman has a better shot at beating him in (luffy)…. That’s after Oden him him looking for a swordsman for 20+ years
Based on green smoke? Legion kills me with these 4D Analysis.
U said it best, it’s for teens not complicated at all. Hence the guy wank by a Yonko for decades specifically for “Haki”!!! Literally asking people if they have “Oden Haki”. Significantly above current zoro portrayal that no Yonko acknowledged yet for haki
King of Hell is just Zoro's personal description of a mode where he draws out excessive amounts of Ryuo and Conqueror's Haki, based on the sword Enma, which also is the King of Hell. We know Rayleigh had a similar epithet: King of the Underworld. Maybe it also is based on Rayleigh using a comparable mode, where he just uses high amounts of Ryuo and Conqueror's Haki in his swordsmanship.
So it's not something only Zoro "can" use. Oden could've named himself that too by releasing excessive amounts of his Hakis into his swordsmanship. Oden's Togen Totsuka probably was a technique you could contribute to the King of Hell Mode. Zoro's King of Hell Mode was just him using it constantly.
So it's not something only Zoro "can" use. Oden could've named himself that too by releasing excessive amounts of his Hakis into his swordsmanship. Oden's Togen Totsuka probably was a technique you could contribute to the King of Hell Mode. Zoro's King of Hell Mode was just him using it constantly.
How do you fail so easily at something so simple?
Enma demands from Zoro more than it ever demanded from Oden because Zoro's ambitions are far above Oden's.
Thus, CoA control over Enma which worked perfectly on rooftop is no longer working vs King while CoA was always enough for Oden.
You cannot compare anyone's ambition with Zoro's and thus a overflowing haki state like King of Hell exists only for Zoro and it isnt for Enma alone, it is for all of his swords.
Oden couldnt release as much as Zoro does, we literally saw his strongest attack and it never had any fumes nor KOH naming.
There is no proof that Zoro used aCoC whatsoever. Until someone presents it, it is nothing but headcanon.
that gave me a genuine chuckle. But in all seriousness that’s nonsense. Kaido has wet dreams over wat Oden did to him. Zoro attack some below his time, he decides a non swordsman has a better shot at beating him in (luffy)…. That’s after Oden him him looking for a swordsman for 20+ years
Yes, Oden's feat has narrative wank, Zoro's doesnt. Nothing new here, we saw it too many times with Luffy already.
Doesnt change the fact that both achieved the same thing with their strongest attacks - just a scar. And Zoro's feat is far more impressive.
He cant cry about Zoro's scar when he already went through that experience with Oden's scar nor can he look for a swordsman like Zoro if he is dead, lol.
Based on Oden having no clue about aCoC for decades and based on lack of haki fumes and based on lack of KOH naming.
Nobody in the world has a better haki portrayal than Zoro when he is in KOH state and it is not even close.
Judging by Asura, KOH too will remain a Zoro unique thing.
Enma demands from Zoro more than it ever demanded from Oden because Zoro's ambitions are far above Oden's.
Thus, CoA control over Enma which worked perfectly on rooftop is no longer working vs King while CoA was always enough for Oden.
You cannot compare anyone's ambition with Zoro's and thus a overflowing haki state like King of Hell exists only for Zoro and it isnt for Enma alone, it is for all of his swords.
Oden couldnt release as much as Zoro does, we literally saw his strongest attack and it never had any fumes nor KOH naming.
There is no proof that Zoro used aCoC whatsoever. Until someone presents it, it is nothing but headcanon.
that gave me a genuine chuckle. But in all seriousness that’s nonsense. Kaido has wet dreams over wat Oden did to him. Zoro attack some below his time, he decides a non swordsman has a better shot at beating him in (luffy)…. That’s after Oden him him looking for a swordsman for 20+ years
Doesnt change the fact that both achieved the same thing with their strongest attacks - just a scar. And Zoro's feat is far more impressive.
He cant cry about Zoro's scar when he already went through that experience with Oden's scar nor can he look for a swordsman like Zoro if he is dead, lol.
Based on Oden having no clue about aCoC for decades and based on lack of haki fumes and based on lack of KOH naming.
Nobody in the world has a better haki portrayal than Zoro when he is in KOH state and it is not even close.
Judging by Asura, KOH too will remain a Zoro unique thing.
KoH is just the name Zoro uses when he releases CoA and CoC from his swords
Zoro using ashura exhaling CoC and Ryou couldn't do 1/3 of what Oden's Togen Totsuka could do. See how the scar Zoro made on Kaido we have to look for binoculars to find it, because it was much smaller than the Oden base could do.
That said, not only could Oden exude CoC and CoA from his swords, but too his haki was much stronger than Zoro's.
Zoro using ashura exhaling CoC and Ryou couldn't do 1/3 of what Oden's Togen Totsuka could do. See how the scar Zoro made on Kaido we have to look for binoculars to find it, because it was much smaller than the Oden base could do.
That said, not only could Oden exude CoC and CoA from his swords, but too his haki was much stronger than Zoro's.
I think Oda just didn't want to display its visuals like that in the flashback. Especially since it was just one attack. Rather wanting to save it up for Zoro.
Zoro himself said to Enma: Are you saying Oden could wield you like a feather while that much Haki was being drained away from him?
@nik87 we also know that when Luffy uses a lot of Ryuo, he also has a steamy cloud around him, like with G4. And when using Conqueror's Haki, he also has black fluid released from his body. Even Yamato has black lightning coming out of her club. So it's not a sign of just having more Haki poured out than Oden.
Zoro himself said to Enma: Are you saying Oden could wield you like a feather while that much Haki was being drained away from him?
@nik87 we also know that when Luffy uses a lot of Ryuo, he also has a steamy cloud around him, like with G4. And when using Conqueror's Haki, he also has black fluid released from his body. Even Yamato has black lightning coming out of her club. So it's not a sign of just having more Haki poured out than Oden.
I disagree with that because he displayed aCoC and didnt save it for Luffy or Zoro.
Zoro is wondering if Oden poured that much which he didnt.
Oden was never called King of Hell, he never had haki fumes or named his attacks KOH.
And he tamed Enma with CoA alone for decades.
It is due to Oden's ambitions being lower than Zoro's and thus Enma testing Oden is not the same as Enma testing Zoro.
Zoro is wondering if Oden poured that much which he didnt.
Oden was never called King of Hell, he never had haki fumes or named his attacks KOH.
And he tamed Enma with CoA alone for decades.
It is due to Oden's ambitions being lower than Zoro's and thus Enma testing Oden is not the same as Enma testing Zoro.
