General & Others How disappointed would you be if the M3 didn’t fight Calamities?

[Sadistic Senpai]

Lol Wano wont end in act 3 nor in 1 day
There's still 2 weeks left
Luffy and Kidd gonna lose anyway

King & queen arent 2 strongest of Alliance
I dont even know where you got that from.
They also irrelevant to Luffy so them being hypetool means nothing much

Regardless of whatever happens during the battle... At the end of the arc... Zoro beats King.. Sanji beats Queen.. and Luffy focuses on Kaido... not the calamities....

If Luffy clashes with anyone of calamities... it will be JUST JACK where he will sucker punch him because he promised to do that to him during Zou... JUST CLASH not full fight... so maybe he will humble jack while other characters then move in to take on Jack instead of Luffy wasting his time with him...

Meaning... assume Jack tries to attack Luffy... Luffy will do two things:
1- Future sight evasion.
2- IN HIS BASE FORM... he will shoot at him Ryuu attack blasting him back while Jack coughing blood...

That's AS FAR AS LUFFY will go with commanders... commanders will know their place... Jack will not be knocked out from just one attack... but it shows great superiority for Luffy over commanders... other members in alliance will step in... and battle starts.. and Luffy's focus will be Kaido

Also the scene will be a call back to "Rayleigh vs the elephant"

Regardless if Luffy loses first round.. 2nd round with Kaido... doesn't matter... at end of day... Luffy's focus in this will not be split and will be mainly on Kaido.. and as Luffy is defeated 1 or two rounds... Kaido also gets damaged in process..... while others will take care of underlings...

Zoro will beat King
Sanji will beat Queen

And if that doesn't happen... THEN it will be TAG TEAMS... and if that doesn't happen... it will be SOME OTHER CHARACTERS in our alliance fighting them... But King/Queen will not be TAKEN OUT from the arc by Luffy and Kidd... Those two have their hands full with Yonko... If Oda feeds calamities to Luffy and Kidd... then it's GARBAGE.... A stinky filthy Garbage that reeks of bad smell even LOL

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

This is how Zoro vs Kanjuro would go

Zoro sees Kanjuro > Zoro slashes Kanjuro > Zoro goes do other shit as Kanjuro deaded

so i guess its true we might see this magnificent 3 panel battle

Seriously...talk about failing to deliver the hype...so Oda gave Zoro Enma...Oden's sword just so he can deal with the mighty Kanjuro? lmao

there are crack theories and then there is just being retarded

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

You have a better chance of Zoro soloing Big Mom and then Kaido this arc than having his match-up be Kanjuro.

 

[Finalbeta]

You have a better chance of Zoro soloing Big Mom and then Kaido this arc than having his match-up be Kanjuro.

I guess Oda is portraying Luffy vs Big Mom solo since Luffy keeps mentioning it over his journey

He definitely won't solo Kaido instead still ~

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Regardless of whatever happens during the battle... At the end of the arc... Zoro beats King.. Sanji beats Queen.. and Luffy focuses on Kaido... not the calamities....

If Luffy clashes with anyone of calamities... it will be JUST JACK where he will sucker punch him because he promised to do that to him during Zou... JUST CLASH not full fight... so maybe he will humble jack while other characters then move in to take on Jack instead of Luffy wasting his time with him...

Meaning... assume Jack tries to attack Luffy... Luffy will do two things:
1- Future sight evasion.
2- IN HIS BASE FORM... he will shoot at him Ryuu attack blasting him back while Jack coughing blood...

That's AS FAR AS LUFFY will go with commanders... commanders will know their place... Jack will not be knocked out from just one attack... but it shows great superiority for Luffy over commanders... other members in alliance will step in... and battle starts.. and Luffy's focus will be Kaido

Also the scene will be a call back to "Rayleigh vs the elephant"

Regardless if Luffy loses first round.. 2nd round with Kaido... doesn't matter... at end of day... Luffy's focus in this will not be split and will be mainly on Kaido.. and as Luffy is defeated 1 or two rounds... Kaido also gets damaged in process..... while others will take care of underlings...

Zoro will beat King
Sanji will beat Queen

And if that doesn't happen... THEN it will be TAG TEAMS... and if that doesn't happen... it will be SOME OTHER CHARACTERS in our alliance fighting them... But King/Queen will not be TAKEN OUT from the arc by Luffy and Kidd... Those two have their hands full with Yonko... If Oda feeds calamities to Luffy and Kidd... then it's GARBAGE.... A stinky filthy Garbage that reeks of bad smell even LOL

everything good, even ok for Sanji VS Queen but NO WAY for Kid VS BigMom 1v1... there is no reason for Kid who along with his Whole Crew lost to Kaido alone could take on BM and not only that there is no feat for Kid, why people suddenly make him 10x stronger than Law for no reason I dont know

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Kanjuro's abilities are overpowered, I don't know why you guys are acting like he can't be strong. Oda already showed that he was basically faking his strength and was in reality much stronger than we previously thought.

He is basically a stronger version of Cracker. Using his drawing powers he can make clones. He can then use those clones to draw even more clones, basically giving him access to exponential cloning.

If he can do something like that then he could easily create mountain-sized dragons(and other animals) by using like 50 different clones to draw them at once.

In fact, I'd argue that Kanjuro has to be strong. He is Orochi's new guard dog after kyoshiro was revealed to be denjiro. If anyone is going to try to go for Orochi's head, they're probably going to have to face Kanjuro first. This is the reason why Oda gave him a power up, in order to make it actually difficult for the alliance to kill Orochi.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kanjuro was as strong as Queen.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

everything good, even ok for Sanji VS Queen but NO WAY for Kid VS BigMom 1v1... there is no reason for Kid who along with his Whole Crew lost to Kaido alone could take on BM and not only that there is no feat for Kid, why people suddenly make him 10x stronger than Law for no reason I dont know

And I never said Luffy nor Kidd will solo Kaido and Big Mom

I believe both of them will have tehir Tag-team partners from people who are currently present in the alliance.. and other people who WILL COME to back up the alliance in future....

Here is why Kidd and Luffy being partners are bad idea:

1- Kidd delivers finishing blow on Kaido will result iin unsatisfactory ending for Luffy and most fans would hate it

2- If Luffy delivers the finishing blow on Kaido... say Goodbye forever for the "supposed rivalry of Kidd".. NO ONE comes after that and say he is a rival.. fuck that.. he is not...

3- Luffy and Kidd does a Combo finishing attack... result is WORST CLICHE ENDING of a war.... Gosh it's the worst! So cringy!


What we will have is:

Luffy will have a Team consist of 3-4 people
Kidd will have a team consist of 3-4 people

And each team will take on one of the Yonko...

Luffy on Kaido.. because he's Luffy's focus in that arc
Kidd on Big Mom... because he doesn't really care AS LONG AS he gets to defeat a Yonko.. he's that type of character.. who joined the war just because of "Glory" type of shit.. he didn't want Luffy to have all the "glory" so if they saw Two Yonko who are relatively treated by Oda in the SAME WAY "both with comparable bounty and both have hard skin to penetrate" then Oda will make full use of that for Luffy and Kidd

But nevertheless... They will NOT SOLO them... both will have their teams...
If you want to see MY WANO ARC FULL MATCH UPS: check out my comment in Wano Match up threads... this is it

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/wano-match-ups.1067/post-378555

 

[Ravagerblade]

All this nonsense, Oda said he and Luffy will have to figure it out.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

All this nonsense, Oda said he and Luffy will have to figure it out.

Yes I also Believe Luffy wont be taking someone else help in his fight ..... And I dont want Kid to take credit for defeating a Yonko as well, I would rather all other SuperNovas and Top fighters (Kid, Killer, Drake, Hawkins, Jinbe, Sicillian and other minks revenge of pedro) VS BigMom and Luffy VS Kaido

 

[Monkey D Theories]

People keep using this pattern argument. "Because Zoro is 2nd strongest and Sanji is 3rd strongest(debatable imo), they should fight king and queen because that's how it is in every other arc."

except no, because

not all arcs are the same. Literally no SHs got 1v1s in WCI except Luffy, not even sanji, who the story revolved around. Sanji also didn't get a fight in dressrosa and neither did Robin. The last time all of the SHs got 1v1s against their respective counterparts on opposing crews was fishman island. Yes, this pattern existed, but it mostly existed pre-skip, with the 2 major arcs we've seen in post skip, WCI and Dressrosa, shaking up the formula quite a bit.

Wano is actually the least like Enies lobby or alabasta since there are so many allies and most of the SHs aren't nearly as strong as their counterparts. That's another thing. Its an outright fact that Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido. Its also a fact that the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo, who are all portrayed to be on par with the supernova.

If the Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido and the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo, then if you do a bit of interpolation, it should be clear that the m3 can't 1v1 the calamities. This is especially true for Sanji, who lacks the portrayal to even beat a YC3. We haven't seen much of jinbe, but the guy is worth only 400 mil and was given trouble by a couple of big mom pirate mid tiers during the tea party.

Jinbe couldn't even outright beat Ace and that was before Ace joined the whitebeard pirates. Honestly, his 400 mil bounty makes sense. The WG knew his strength, unlike those of the yonko commanders who's bounties are estimated from their captain's. Also, a ton of his strength comes from his abilities in water. In a fight on land, he might honestly not be that powerful. Overall, he has nothing to put him above a YC3 as well.

Zoro's the only one who is most likely capable of beating a yonko commander. I'm sure he could beat Cracker. Smoothie? possibly. However him beating Katakuri honestly seems like a stretch. Unless King is weaker than Kata, i just can't see it.

 

[sanjikun]

not all arcs are the same.

True but it doesn't mean they're all that different either.

Its an outright fact that Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido

It's not an outright fact. Luffy 1 v. 1'ing Crocodile pre-TS was way more ridiculous than him 1 v. 1'ing Kaido. Luffy is a Top Tier atm and he got a powerup that's a DIRECT counter to Kaido.

Its also a fact that the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo

Yes, although some are still delusional.

If the Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido and the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo, then if you do a bit of interpolation, it should be clear that the m3 can't 1v1 the calamities.

Your interpolation is based on a wrong premise. King and Queen just ain't that strong and they're Zooans like EL, which is perfect for SHs. They are not on Katakuri's level. Dressrosa/WCI Luffy would have beaten every single one of them 1 v. 1.

Let go of this narrative about the commanders, and all will be fine. Luffy only struggled with Katakuri/Cracker because he couldn't land a hit on them. Once he did, he ran them over:

There is no matchup issues with King/Queen/Jack. Zoro/Sanji don't have to worry about them hiding.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's not an outright fact. Luffy 1 v. 1'ing Crocodile pre-TS was way more ridiculous than him 1 v. 1'ing Kaido. Luffy is a Top Tier atm and he got a powerup that's a DIRECT counter to Kaido.

are you sure about that? Crocodile never took hits. He got his ass beat in the new world so he decided to run away to paradise where nobody knew haki and he could pretend to be invincible. Hence it made sense for Luffy to be able to beat his ass once he could hit him.

Kaido is the exact opposite. Kaido is a physical fighter, a mythical zoan. Being able to hurt him doesn't mean that you can 1v1 him, its actually just the bare minimum strength you need to be able to defeat him in any way shape or form.

Kaido 1 shot Luffy's strongest form in his weakest form. Kaido doesn't just have any zoan. he has a mythical zoan, one of the strongest zoans in existence. His full beast form literally makes him as big as a city.

In terms of pure physical strength alone, Kaido's hybrid should be overwhelming. That's not factoring in all the special abilities hybrid form will likely have such as flight, fire breathing, and possibly even more.

Im not even going to talk about zoan awakening.

Your interpolation is based on a wrong premise. King and Queen just ain't that strong and they're Zooans like EL, which is perfect for SHs. They are not on Katakuri's level. Dressrosa/WCI Luffy would have beaten every single one of them 1 v. 1.

Let go of this narrative about the commanders, and all will be fine. Luffy only struggled with Katakuri/Cracker because he couldn't land a hit on them. Once he did, he ran them over:

I doubt it. Jack's full beast form had better portrayal than inuarashi. At the end of the first day, Inuarashi was panting and was out of breath whereas Jack wasn't.

2 legged Inuarashi should be on a similar level to sanji tbh.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

First of all Zoro gets clapped by Cracker or Smoothie

Luffy needs nothing to beat King/Queen
Only g4 is enough!

Zoro & Sanji have it easier to solo King & Queen than beat Cracker.

Kata>>King.
King is treated by Oda as background dude, mot even relevant in the arc as Cracker was in WCI.
King has no hype, BM thought of Luffy as powerful homie material if she kills him, while King is merely a collection as brook.

Inu was panting but Jack never beat Inu
Jack never got the best of Dukes 1 v 1, they matched him 5 days straight

 

[Zenos7]

Luffy needs nothing to beat King/Queen
Only g4 is enough!

needs nothing - needs g4. what is it?

King is treated by Oda as background dude, mot even relevant in the arc as Cracker was in WCI.
King has no hype, BM thought of Luffy as powerful homie material if he kills her, while King is merely a collection as brook.

the same cracker that got defeated at the beginning of the arc and never came back?

and king is a collection like brook? didnt she want him to join her crew?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

not all arcs are the same. Literally no SHs got 1v1s in WCI except Luffy, not even sanji, who the story revolved around. Sanji also didn't get a fight in dressrosa and neither did Robin. The last time all of the SHs got 1v1s against their respective counterparts on opposing crews was fishman island. Yes, this pattern existed, but it mostly existed pre-skip, with the 2 major arcs we've seen in post skip, WCI and Dressrosa, shaking up the formula quite a bit.

These are false equivalencies. Half of the Straw Hats left in the middle of Dressrosa, and Oda wanted to show off Luffy's Grand Fleet. And in WCI Arc, there was no match-ups or boss battle (Katakuri doesn't count), so your point is moot. Here in Wano, ALL Straw Hats are present, and they intend to fight the Beasts Pirates.

Using your logic, Kaido won't fall here because Big Mom didn't fall in WCI.

 

[Finalbeta]

First of all Zoro gets clapped by Cracker or Smoothie

Kata>>King.

Based on?

 

[ranady]

People keep using this pattern argument. "Because Zoro is 2nd strongest and Sanji is 3rd strongest(debatable imo), they should fight king and queen because that's how it is in every other arc."

except no, because

not all arcs are the same. Literally no SHs got 1v1s in WCI except Luffy, not even sanji, who the story revolved around. Sanji also didn't get a fight in dressrosa and neither did Robin. The last time all of the SHs got 1v1s against their respective counterparts on opposing crews was fishman island. Yes, this pattern existed, but it mostly existed pre-skip, with the 2 major arcs we've seen in post skip, WCI and Dressrosa, shaking up the formula quite a bit.

Wano is actually the least like Enies lobby or alabasta since there are so many allies and most of the SHs aren't nearly as strong as their counterparts. That's another thing. Its an outright fact that Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido. Its also a fact that the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo, who are all portrayed to be on par with the supernova.

If the Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido and the mid and weak trio can't 1v1 the tobi roppo, then if you do a bit of interpolation, it should be clear that the m3 can't 1v1 the calamities. This is especially true for Sanji, who lacks the portrayal to even beat a YC3. We haven't seen much of jinbe, but the guy is worth only 400 mil and was given trouble by a couple of big mom pirate mid tiers during the tea party.

Jinbe couldn't even outright beat Ace and that was before Ace joined the whitebeard pirates. Honestly, his 400 mil bounty makes sense. The WG knew his strength, unlike those of the yonko commanders who's bounties are estimated from their captain's. Also, a ton of his strength comes from his abilities in water. In a fight on land, he might honestly not be that powerful. Overall, he has nothing to put him above a YC3 as well.

Zoro's the only one who is most likely capable of beating a yonko commander. I'm sure he could beat Cracker. Smoothie? possibly. However him beating Katakuri honestly seems like a stretch. Unless King is weaker than Kata, i just can't see it.

This:cheers:.

I never consider zoro and sanji are already ready to solo king and queen atm, which is YC1 and YC2. Even luffy had hard time against YC3 (cracker) and barely "defeat" a YC1 (kata).
I consider zoro is strong enough to defeat YC2 xtreme diff. But sanji no way man.
But if oda decides, everything could happen, just like asspulls in enies lobby

 

[Patryipe]

Sanji vs Vergo

Sanji vs Kanjuro

Let Kinemon or Kawamatsu handle this moron.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

In retrospect I think Kanjuro probably wouldn't be a good fight for Zoro. He simply doesn't have enough set up as a high tier, and zoro can't be fighting mid tiers in wano. Now if Kanjuro did gain high tier portrayal, that would all but confirm zoro vs Kanjuro for me. However, as of yet, he still remains under the calamities in terms of portrayal and zoro probably can't fight someone like that.

but I think my issues with zoro vs king still stand. It is too much of a power jump and there isn't enough build up for it. Oda has built up Zoro's arc to follow that of Hiyori and orochi. Whomever zoro beats in wano, it has to be tied to that storyline.

Out of all 3 high tiers in Kaido's crew, King does seem like the best matchup for Zoro. He has a katana, so I take that as an indicator form Oda that he's probably the best swordsman.

Oda just needs to do 2 things

1. Make it believable for Zoro to beat King
2. tie King to orochi's story

I think that for #2, Kaido could easily make king Orochi's bodyguard. However #1 would be a bit more difficult. I think Zoro vs King should have 2 rounds. The first in which King obliterates Zoro and a second where zoro extreme diffs. This was the format Oda used in Luffy vs kata and I think it would work again with Zoro vs King.

I think round 1 would probably end in King showcasing DF awakening and breaking the sandai kitetsu. In round 2, Zoro uses the nidai kitetsu, gets a stronger version of asura, and wins.

 

[Enma]

In retrospect I think Kanjuro probably wouldn't be a good fight for Zoro. He simply doesn't have enough set up as a high tier, and zoro can't be fighting mid tiers in wano. Now if Kanjuro did gain high tier portrayal, that would all but confirm zoro vs Kanjuro for me. However, as of yet, he still remains under the calamities in terms of portrayal and zoro probably can't fight someone like that.

but I think my issues with zoro vs king still stand. It is too much of a power jump and there isn't enough build up for it. Oda has built up Zoro's arc to follow that of Hiyori and orochi. Whomever zoro beats in wano, it has to be tied to that storyline.

Out of all 3 high tiers in Kaido's crew, King does seem like the best matchup for Zoro. He has a katana, so I take that as an indicator form Oda that he's probably the best swordsman.

Oda just needs to do 2 things

1. Make it believable for Zoro to beat King
2. tie King to orochi's story

I think that for #2, Kaido could easily make king Orochi's bodyguard. However #1 would be a bit more difficult. I think Zoro vs King should have 2 rounds. The first in which King obliterates Zoro and a second where zoro extreme diffs. This was the format Oda used in Luffy vs kata and I think it would work again with Zoro vs King.

I think round 1 would probably end in King showcasing DF awakening and breaking the sandai kitetsu. In round 2, Zoro uses the nidai kitetsu, gets a stronger version of asura, and wins.

Finally you saw the light
Agree with everything, but maybe the second round thingy. I still don't know how Oda will deliver Alliance retreat from Onigashima if they are losing.