Questions & Mysteries Who is Zoro's final opponent?
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Mihawk was stated to be the strongest swordsman both in title and in actuality. Meaning, there is no swordsman alive that is above Mihawk right now.
If we were told he is only the strongest in title, then a possibility exists that there are unknown swordsmen stronger than him. However, he is stated to be the stronges in actuality. This leave no room for any swordsman alive to be stronger than him esp the top tier swordsmen.
New up and coming swordsmen like Zoro, Shiryuu etc who are still growing have the possibility of surpassing Mihawk. However, until Mihawk is defeated, no swordsman is stronger than him.
If we were told he is only the strongest in title, then a possibility exists that there are unknown swordsmen stronger than him. However, he is stated to be the stronges in actuality. This leave no room for any swordsman alive to be stronger than him esp the top tier swordsmen.
New up and coming swordsmen like Zoro, Shiryuu etc who are still growing have the possibility of surpassing Mihawk. However, until Mihawk is defeated, no swordsman is stronger than him.
Look at the Baratei arc. Luffy and co were busy fighting against the Don Kreig pirates, while Zoro went and fought against Mihawk.
Mihawk vs Zoro had no bearing on SH vs Don Kreig pirates.
It made no sense for Zoro to go and decide to fight against Mihawk whilst SH were busy dealing with Don Kreig pirates. However, this still happened
Anyway, since Oda already did it in the past, nothing stops him from doing it in the future.
Mihawk vs Zoro had no bearing on SH vs Don Kreig pirates.
It made no sense for Zoro to go and decide to fight against Mihawk whilst SH were busy dealing with Don Kreig pirates. However, this still happened
Anyway, since Oda already did it in the past, nothing stops him from doing it in the future.
This doesn't even slightly compare to the Baratie arc.
Krieg was a small time pirate that Luffy was perfectly capable of dealing with entirely by himself. This was also pre-character development Zoro we're talking about- the Mihawk fight is literally what changes his character around and sets him on the path of putting Luffy's dream above his own, leading to the Thriller Bark sacrifice and him begging Mihawk for training.
We're talking about the final war here. Everything that One Piece has led up to. In-series, nine hundred years of history leading up to this moment. Out-series, thirty years worth of writing.
And you guys are suggesting that Zoro abandons his crew in the middle of it for a fight against a man that has literally nothing to this great war. A guy who's been a positive influence on Zoro's life, trained him for two years.
Absolutely no chance.
It would be like having the walk to Arlong Park... then Zoro bolts halfway to fight someone with nothing to do with Arlong or Nami. Or him leaving Robin to her fate in EL cause there was a better swordsman than Kaku out there for him to fight. It's antithetical to everything Zoro has become as the series developed.
Krieg was a small time pirate that Luffy was perfectly capable of dealing with entirely by himself. This was also pre-character development Zoro we're talking about- the Mihawk fight is literally what changes his character around and sets him on the path of putting Luffy's dream above his own, leading to the Thriller Bark sacrifice and him begging Mihawk for training.
We're talking about the final war here. Everything that One Piece has led up to. In-series, nine hundred years of history leading up to this moment. Out-series, thirty years worth of writing.
And you guys are suggesting that Zoro abandons his crew in the middle of it for a fight against a man that has literally nothing to this great war. A guy who's been a positive influence on Zoro's life, trained him for two years.
Absolutely no chance.
It would be like having the walk to Arlong Park... then Zoro bolts halfway to fight someone with nothing to do with Arlong or Nami. Or him leaving Robin to her fate in EL cause there was a better swordsman than Kaku out there for him to fight. It's antithetical to everything Zoro has become as the series developed.
The Swordsman Zoro never surpass
The Yonko Zoro never would stand equal to him
The King Zoro serve under him
Can I offer a slightly different approach? Before I get crucified: Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman.
Nothing is impossible with Oda, if he made an unlikely team of pirates fall from the sky to Marineford, he can make Mihawk theoretically fall in Zoro's lap from a cloud. Times are uncertain as we don't know what Mihawk's next move is, and he has to make some sort of move - or forever roam on his little boat alone.
Now listen why this fight is unlikely:
1) Zoro and Mihawk spent two years training together. So, safe to assume they fought together every day. They know each other's strength levels perfectly. Zoro, THE PUPIL, is probably still weaker than his master, as not a lot of time went by and he had 0 challenges since then. So it makes no sense to turn around now or in three months and fight Mihawk when he made no progress since then. It would be very anti-climatic. Further along the story, in a few years OP time, sure.
2) Mihawk himself noted that he found a cause greater than his own ambition. Which is true because Zoro gave up even his pride for Luffy and Luffy's dream. IF you think about it, none of the Straw Hats really talk about their dreams anymore past time skip, they all decided to give their all to their captain. So Zoro also decided this was what he was going to do, he's not going to go on about his ambition anymore now. Maybe in the far future they do crash, but again it makes no sense now. You don't have to fight sameone to surpass them in skill.
3) People keep mentioning chapter 51, yes, that is where the ambition got fired up, as well as the setting for their future crash. But why is it impossible that between this and chapter 597 (not bothered to check) when he became his teacher, which is 13 YEARS apart (not even Oda could have predicted the manga would last more than a few years!!!!!), Oda might have changed his mind and decided to have Zoro cast his ambition aside to learn from the world's strongest swordsman? Thus making it kinda pointless to fight now as there is very little tension between these characters and mutual respect instead?
Now, if Mihawk does by some plot twist end up being his opponent, it will be interesting. Just don't see it happening, especially as final.
Disclaimer: please don't repeat like a parrot about him achieving his dream. I just spent five minutes talking about him postponing his ambition for the time being.
Nothing is impossible with Oda, if he made an unlikely team of pirates fall from the sky to Marineford, he can make Mihawk theoretically fall in Zoro's lap from a cloud. Times are uncertain as we don't know what Mihawk's next move is, and he has to make some sort of move - or forever roam on his little boat alone.
Now listen why this fight is unlikely:
1) Zoro and Mihawk spent two years training together. So, safe to assume they fought together every day. They know each other's strength levels perfectly. Zoro, THE PUPIL, is probably still weaker than his master, as not a lot of time went by and he had 0 challenges since then. So it makes no sense to turn around now or in three months and fight Mihawk when he made no progress since then. It would be very anti-climatic. Further along the story, in a few years OP time, sure.
2) Mihawk himself noted that he found a cause greater than his own ambition. Which is true because Zoro gave up even his pride for Luffy and Luffy's dream. IF you think about it, none of the Straw Hats really talk about their dreams anymore past time skip, they all decided to give their all to their captain. So Zoro also decided this was what he was going to do, he's not going to go on about his ambition anymore now. Maybe in the far future they do crash, but again it makes no sense now. You don't have to fight sameone to surpass them in skill.
3) People keep mentioning chapter 51, yes, that is where the ambition got fired up, as well as the setting for their future crash. But why is it impossible that between this and chapter 597 (not bothered to check) when he became his teacher, which is 13 YEARS apart (not even Oda could have predicted the manga would last more than a few years!!!!!), Oda might have changed his mind and decided to have Zoro cast his ambition aside to learn from the world's strongest swordsman? Thus making it kinda pointless to fight now as there is very little tension between these characters and mutual respect instead?
Now, if Mihawk does by some plot twist end up being his opponent, it will be interesting. Just don't see it happening, especially as final.
Disclaimer: please don't repeat like a parrot about him achieving his dream. I just spent five minutes talking about him postponing his ambition for the time being.
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