General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Warback]

Really? Because the Goat appeared on a similar in 2002 and the year of the goat was in 2003. Also, this

https://www.opfanpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/E-26uRjXEA0WhHG-1024x682.jpg

That image is just showing the most popular characters of whatever year it was, when Carrot was 8th that's why she's there

 

[Uncle Van]

@Uncle Van and @Admiral Maynard

You guys need to understand that I'm proceeding with high caution when I theorize, even in front of elements that can prove my theories.

That's the first reason why I keep saying that you guys should take me seriously when I'm theorizing.

The second is that I never bring up elements on a whim lIke 99% of the "theorists" you can see on youtube. The first things I look up for are the elements in the story that can disprove my hypothesis, and if those elements are not strong enough, I resort to repetitive occurence of narrative evidences.

That's why - for me - that picture of Carrot with Luffy means nothing at the present time with the element we have now.

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Exemple:

The first thing to look up to disprove my hypothesis that Carrot could have an important role related to the dawn in the future is "the coronation" of Carrot as a Ruler. To completely disprove this hypothesis, the coronation would need to be completing the character arc of Carrot without question.

Problem: That's not what happens, the coronation enters in conflict with Carrot's characterization. So we need to resort to other elements. to explore that hypothesis.

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All the way from the moment I started to talk here to now, I have proceeded that way: The fact that my conclusions were not confirmed with the CarrotForNakama theory doesn't mean that my reasonning was bad, it just means that I didn't have all the observations.

You can compare that to someone who discovers gravity as a force that push things against each others.. but doesn't have all the informations to understand that what really happens is that gravity is "bending" space time, making things appear like they are attracted to more massive others. In that case, the conclusion of the first guy is wrong, but the reasonning is still correct with the element at disposition.

Same thing with my theory of CarrotForNakama. I put the disproving element at the moment of the transition between the Wano arc and the next, because this is how Oda has always proceed. So, let's imagine that Carrot join the strawhats later, my theory would still be wrong, but my reasonning (the repetitive elements / the argumentation / the analysis) would still be relevant.

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The fun thing here, is that part of my reasonning for the Carrot for Nakama theory can be reused in that second theory:

There are three point to assess and prove to explore that second theory:

- First point is to prove that Carrot despite her lack of appearance is written as a marginalized yet important character that is characterized as the opposite of a sedentary character.

For that, we first bring repetitive element showing Carrot as a potential strawhats (Strawhat elements, interactions with characters, narrative treatment compared to other similar characters, relativity to the thematics of the story, emotional relevancy etc.) then, we show occurence of Carrot not being able to stay in place, the way she look at the world, the way she acts, her age and temper etc.

By doing that we can have a first conclusion: Yes Carrot is created as someone important despite being marginalized and she is constructed as an "anti" sedentary character.

I talked about this briefly here:




- Second point is to prove if Carrot has any deep link with the thematic of the Dawn in the story.

For that, we need to look at her character in a meta way (the way she is written, the potential symbolism of her character, her actual story, her interaction and her position) and look if there is anything that can tell us that she has been repetitively connected in one way or another to the thematic of the dawn.

By doing that we can have a second conclusion: Yes repetitive narrative occurence show that Carrot as been constructed with deep links with the "dawn" thematic, and we could go as far as saying that she as been written as a narrative "representation" of the dawn herself.

I talked about that here:



- Third point is to prove that there is a huge incoming reveal or plotline linking the Mink, Wano, the book of Oden, Zunisha and the "Dawn thematic".

For that we will need to search for unresolve plotpoint, plothole and/or potential setup in the story. We will also need to see if the Dawn wasn't the end of the Wano arc.

By doing that we can have a third conclusion: There is indeed a large quantity of plothole and unresolved plotline leading to a potential narrative plot point or reveal about the Dawn in the future of the story linking the Mink / Zunisha / The book of Oden / Wano and the Dawn.

I talked about this here:




And here (to disprove the hypothesis that the Dawn was the end of wano)



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We have potentially proved 3 things:

- Carrot is constructed as important and anti sedentary
- There is a Dawn plot line incoming potentially in relationship with the Mink tribe and Zunisha (and Carrot as she is the leader)
- Carrot has a deep connection to the Dawn

Therefore there are reasons to believe the hypothesis that Carrot could be relevant/important in the future of the story concerning a potential plot line related to the Dawn thematic.

Now, this conclusion could be wrong, as I said, I don't have all the observations as I don't know the end of One Piece, but this theory is once again very solid.

So I suggest that you don't brush it off like its nothing.

Wondering why you randomly tagged me, but Carrot was never meant to be a SH and never received any treatment that would suggest she ever would.

Carrot could have a role later? Many could and many will so there's no reason to write so much as if Carrot is different.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Prejudice breeds stability

I breed Mink girls

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

As the queen of Zou

Actually, I finally understand that plotline, and where Oda was going with it.

Since Vivi and Carrot will join around each other, Oda wanted to set up Carrot being royalty, and having her be a true representative of the Minks. Inu and Neku realized that younger Minks needed to take over the Minks, fresh dreamers for the new era. That's why Wanda was introduced alongside Carrot as royalty, so the Minks have stable leadership while Carrot is away with the crew.

Vivi and Carrot will hit it off as fellow sovereigns, since Carrot is the New World Vivi parallel, I just never put it together because I didn't really view Carrot as Royalty. If you do, stuff makes more sense, and you can start to see a lot of parallels and connecting themes between the two characters.

-Vivi and Carrot attacked the crew upon meeting them while in/on a giant animal (Laboon, Zunesha). They then sail with the crew in a slightly suspicious way
-They have an overall goal (get to Alabasta/Wano) but have to go to a bunch of other smaller islands first (Little Garden, Drum, then Totto Land just... uh... being a shitton of islands close to each other)
-Despite being strong for their age, Vivi and Carrot were too ignorant about war and death. Vivi gets punched by Luffy for being too idealistic about keeping people from dying in a war; Carrot learns how dangerous piracy is when Pedro sacrifices himself to save her and the Straw Hats.

-Both of their countries were destroyed by a powerful pirate looking for information about the Void Century, with Alabasta being dried up by Crocodile, and Zou being ravaged by Jack the Drought
-Both are associated with jumping (Vivi's final attack against Mr. 6 and Ms... Father's Day??? I forget her name, and her leaping off the ship before the Reverie), and using close ranged attacks with odd hand-based weapons (Vivi's Peacock Slasher, Carrot's Paw Gauntlets)
-Both have had their mentor die in the Post Time Skip (Pedro and Cobra)
-Both are connected to Pluton, as Zunesha is meant to destroy Wano's borders to unleash Pluton, while Vivi's country, Alabasta, hid the information that Pluton existed in Wano

Both journeyed to get revenge against an evil force that destroyed their kingdom, then were left behind to rejoin the crew later.

Vivi and Carrot will join soon, then we'll pick Yamato, Tama, and Momo back up in Wano.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

is he trolling the haters? Trolling the fans?

Yes
Oda marketing genius

 

[KonyaruIchi]

Actually, I finally understand that plotline, and where Oda was going with it.

Since Vivi and Carrot will join around each other, Oda wanted to set up Carrot being royalty, and having her be a true representative of the Minks. Inu and Neku realized that younger Minks needed to take over the Minks, fresh dreamers for the new era. That's why Wanda was introduced alongside Carrot as royalty, so the Minks have stable leadership while Carrot is away with the crew.

Vivi and Carrot will hit it off as fellow sovereigns, since Carrot is the New World Vivi parallel, I just never put it together because I didn't really view Carrot as Royalty. If you do, stuff makes more sense, and you can start to see a lot of parallels and connecting themes between the two characters.

-Vivi and Carrot attacked the crew upon meeting them while in/on a giant animal (Laboon, Zunesha). They then sail with the crew in a slightly suspicious way
-They have an overall goal (get to Alabasta/Wano) but have to go to a bunch of other smaller islands first (Little Garden, Drum, then Totto Land just... uh... being a shitton of islands close to each other)
-Despite being strong for their age, Vivi and Carrot were too ignorant about war and death. Vivi gets punched by Luffy for being too idealistic about keeping people from dying in a war; Carrot learns how dangerous piracy is when Pedro sacrifices himself to save her and the Straw Hats.

-Both of their countries were destroyed by a powerful pirate looking for information about the Void Century, with Alabasta being dried up by Crocodile, and Zou being ravaged by Jack the Drought
-Both are associated with jumping (Vivi's final attack against Mr. 6 and Ms... Father's Day??? I forget her name, and her leaping off the ship before the Reverie), and using close ranged attacks with odd hand-based weapons (Vivi's Peacock Slasher, Carrot's Paw Gauntlets)
-Both have had their mentor die in the Post Time Skip (Pedro and Cobra)
-Both are connected to Pluton, as Zunesha is meant to destroy Wano's borders to unleash Pluton, while Vivi's country, Alabasta, hid the information that Pluton existed in Wano

Both journeyed to get revenge against an evil force that destroyed their kingdom, then were left behind to rejoin the crew later.

Vivi and Carrot will join soon, then we'll pick Yamato, Tama, and Momo back up in Wano.

See here's the thing right, even if you end up being correct about this (which I hope you are but honestly I don't have much faith in Oda to follow through with his setups anymore. While it would make sense if that's what he is going for, it doesn't matter since this whole situation was brought forward by a poorly introduced and barely justified set-up (being that Carrot is somehow Queen of Zou which came out of nowhere, that Yamato would decide to stay behind because "Oden LUL", and nevermind multiple other plot threads that went nowhere like Zoro's story) so I'm at a point where even if it happens I probably won't really be happy or care because ultimately Oda fucked it up in my eyes even if he ends up course correcting or whatever, and if he doesn't well it's really nothing new

 

[Pot Goblin]

This thread is feeling pretty nostalgic
Just like when I first joined the forum

 

[KonyaruIchi]

This thread is feeling pretty nostalgic
Just like when I first joined the forum

I'm glad I'm pretty much disconnected compared to before so I can just enjoy the show

 

[AverageNamiEnjoyer]

Chan
San
Sama

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

See here's the thing right, even if you end up being correct about this (which I hope you are but honestly I don't have much faith in Oda to follow through with his setups anymore. While it would make sense if that's what he is going for, it doesn't matter since this whole situation was brought forward by a poorly introduced and barely justified set-up (being that Carrot is somehow Queen of Zou which came out of nowhere, that Yamato would decide to stay behind because "Oden LUL", and nevermind multiple other plot threads that went nowhere like Zoro's story) so I'm at a point where even if it happens I probably won't really be happy or care because ultimately Oda fucked it up in my eyes even if he ends up course correcting or whatever, and if he doesn't well it's really nothing new

I just want Yamato, Carrot, and Vivi to join, then forget all this stupid ass Nakama bait bullshit by Oda ever happened in the first place.

At this point, I don't trust Oda to make it work fully thematically, but, fuck it, as long as they join, I'll take it at this point.

 

[Reborn]

I just want Yamato, Carrot, and Vivi to join, then forget all this stupid ass Nakama bait bullshit by Oda ever happened in the first place.

At this point, I don't trust Oda to make it work fully thematically, but, fuck it, as long as they join, I'll take it at this point.

They aren't joining though lol

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

 

[AverageNamiEnjoyer]

Edit Stussy-sama there

 

[Reborn]

Stussy is sailing with shs

Hint

Sanji - to think the would come that I'd be able to SAIL with stussy sama

 

[OnePiss]

I don’t like Nami not standing next to Luffy there

Toei doing canon dirty again

 

[AverageNamiEnjoyer]

I don’t like Nami not standing next to Luffy there

Toei doing canon dirty again

"wInGs oF pIrAte kInG"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don’t like Nami not standing next to Luffy there

Toei doing canon dirty again

I mean I don’t think Nami stood next to luffy in any of the team shots except the barrel right before the grand line.

 

[OnePiss]

"wInGs oF pIrAte kInG"

Not a thing outside of power scaling

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I mean I don’t think Nami stood next to luffy in any of the team shots except the barrel right before the grand line.

No in Memories anime ending and the one this was based off of they were

They just made Wings stand next to him cause of Wano tbf

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Edit Stussy-sama there

 

[OnePiss]

Stussy Sama joining crew to be Jinbeis future wifey