Tbf not exactly his fault, every starwhat has been butchered massively post timeskip. Oda has just been dogshit on characterization lately. Every time they're on panel outside of battle, they're reducded to being one dimensional gags and not actual characters.
1
He once pointed a Gun against Robin, an enemy. Not saying he would have pulled the trigger but at least he made a threat instead of resorting to be a problem to the rest of the crew. Even Nami or Robin, can't remember, said it's admirable he doesn't hit women but at the very least run away and don't cause trouble.
2
His role should be smart yet reasonably strong but he should not compete against Zoro or Luffy in strength, he should use his superior stealth and skill. Doing that he has a clear role in the crew and a spot as a wing if you want providing Luffy with something the crew lacks, by competing with Zoro he provides more and actually less of the same.
In Arlong Park he understood his role was to free Luffy.
In Little Garden he got the logpose for Alabasta.
In Water 7 he got on the sea train.
In Enies Lobby he opened the Gates.
"Sanji fans" who are raging because of what Sanji is now or what happened in whole cake are not true Sanji fans. They don't understand its characterization at all, they just want a copy of Zoro as blond.
Sanji is one of the best written character in One Piece despite his flaws.
I don't think he got worse, it's just Loda that keeps betraying our expectations. Multiple gags and hypetool moments are ok but they are not sustainable on the long run without bigger and bigger pay-offs. He can't pair Sanji and Zoro in multiple occasions and then treat them so differently.
"Common sense" is often a word used to bypass the reality that is a common fallacious knowledge.
You could easily argue that Post time skip is actually narratively more coherent and deeper than pre timeskip in a various number of ways.
The real difference between pre and post time skip is the way Oda structure his panel and story. Pretime skip Oda tends to use less content in his chapter and leave more room for the panels to breeze (with huge panels sometimes) in post time skip Oda is using more narrative content so he needs to fill more in less space which is one of the reason people often say that his chapters are "too heavy".
The reality is that it was a slow evolution and not a real pretimeskip breakup. And that evolution is not necessaraly something bad as it also leave him room to place subtle hints in and there that are not noticable at the first place or to create more intense storylines.
Its just the approach that change but overall, it's the same technics of narration. Both are cool. And the saying that character got worse during post time skip is a myth.. the reality is that they got better. Sanji is one of the best example of that:
"Common sense" is often a word used to bypass the reality that is a common fallacious knowledge.
You could easily argue that Post time skip is actually narratively more coherent and deeper than pre timeskip in a various number of ways.
The real difference between pre and post time skip is the way Oda structure his panel and story. Pretime skip Oda tends to use less content in his chapter and leave more room for the panels to breeze (with huge panels sometimes) in post time skip Oda is using more narrative content so he needs to fill more in less space which is one of the reason people often say that his chapters are "too heavy".
The reality is that it was a slow evolution and not a real pretimeskip breakup. And that evolution is not necessaraly something bad as it also leave him room to place subtle hints in and there that are not noticable at the first place or to create more intense storylines.
Its just the approach that change but overall, it's the same technics of narration. Both are cool. And the saying that character got worse during post time skip is a myth.. the reality is that they got better. Sanji is one of the best example of that:
It is common sense that pre-timeskip is better than post-timeskip. And no YT video(don't even know if it yours or not) will change that.
Adding irrelevant stuff and slowing the pace of the story in an arc doesn't make it deeper and even less coherent.
It wasn't a slow evolution. It was a breakup but not at timeskip itself but precisely at Dressrosa. After timeskip we still had good arcs in the molds of pre-timeskip that are Fishmen Island and Punk Hazard which the first has the most selling manga volume of the series. And after that the downfall of sales per volume is notable.
Characters DID got worse in One Piece specially main ones. It is another common sense that the main characteres barely has any focus during the whole timeskip. And the ridiculous amount of fights that main characters get is just a proof of that. Nami, Robin and Sanji first fight are at Wano. Chopper didn't had a fight at all. Brook only fought at Dressrosa. I'm talking about real fights, tough ones like Enies Lobby, Arlong Park for example. Zoro also only had his first fight at Wano but at least he is flexing his strength in almost all arcs.
Usopp only good arc was Dressrosa, all others he did absolutely nothing.
Brook despite having a fight at Dressrosa(which we easily forget) he only shined a little(really little) at WCI because he stole the Red Poneglyph.
Robin is completely disappeared through the whole timeskip up to Wano.
Sanji had moments of fake hype when facing Vergo, Doflamingo. When he got his own arc (WCI) he still didn't had any fight only more fake hype with Oven and Daifuku.
And talking about Sanji, his character was completely destroyed. After timeskip he is all about simping women and gag moments about it. At Wano he even said he wish he could hit a woman which goes against everything his character represents, he was suppose to be a gentleman and hitting a woman shouldn't even cross his mind it was never something that he was incapable of doing of incapable of thinking. He was ready to give up on his dream because he didn't trust his captain to protect how is important to both of them(Zeff is important to Luffy too, of course). He beated Luffy for nothing, there is no narrative to explain that beating. His speed feats in the arc got destroyed by his brother calling him too slow. All the development they made about Sanji's backstory with his true family got destroyed at Wano arc (right the next arc). His mother sacrifice was good for nothing, he used the weapons of the family he so hated, he also got the genes that used to made him different from his family.
"Sanji fans" who are raging because of what Sanji is now or what happened in whole cake are not true Sanji fans. They don't understand its characterization at all, they just want a copy of Zoro as blond.
Sanji is one of the best written character in One Piece despite his flaws.
I don't think anybody denies that Sanji was butchered. I think most people are arguing that he's still a great character. Personally I think all the Monster trio were butchered with Luffy being the worse by far. Zoro was butchered to and is now more like a stripper than a swordsman.
Did you actually watch it ? I could explain its content in text, but it would need a LOT. That would be easier that way.
Common sense in that context is bad. It's a missconception created by people who started analysing the story without having storytelling knowledge to do it properly.
It wasn't a slow evolution. It was a breakup but not at timeskip itself but precisely at Dressrosa. After timeskip we still had good arcs in the molds of pre-timeskip that are Fishmen Island and Punk Hazard which the first has the most selling manga volume of the series. And after that the downfall of sales per volume is notable.
Yes it was a slow evolution. You can check in fact the way Marineford is narratively and structurally handled as close to the way the new arcs are handle. There are just less secondary plots as the action is logically focused on Luffy.
The illusion that Post time skip is better is because 3 arc just before the post time skip are focused on the narration of the story of a SINGLE character and not entire slot of characters like thriller Bark, Alabasta, Skypiea or Waterseven/ennie Lobby. So the pacing feels a lot more focused, but the narration is the same.
Which is wrong as Robin shined during Dressrosa and the end of Wano. I think you are confusing the way Oda handles arcs focused on one character and arcs focused on a story.
Sanji had moments of fake hype when facing Vergo, Doflamingo. When he got his own arc (WCI) he still didn't had any fight only more fake hype with Oven and Daifuku.
Thinking that Sanji should get a fight when his entire storyline (WCI) is focusing on Sanji being the opposite of a fighter and someone nice in opposition to the will of his biological father, is a complete missunderstanding of Sanji's characterization and one of the reason why "common sense" is often "ignorant narrative stance". There is a narrative reason why Sanji didn't get a fight in WCI. And there was no "fake hype" there was no hype at all on Sanji having a fight, it was against the purpose of his storyline.
And if you really want to know why Sanji had such a beautiful character arc, here is the perfect video for you (and its not from me):
At Wano he even said he wish he could hit a woman which goes against everything his character represents, he was suppose to be a gentleman and hitting a woman shouldn't even cross his mind it was never something that he was incapable of doing of incapable of thinking.
He was ready to give up on his dream because he didn't trust his captain to protect how is important to both of them(Zeff is important to Luffy too, of course)
Damn.. A lot of lack of understanding here. But I'm not surprised.. most people here don't understand the narrative feat of Oda post time skip. They are too focused on what they "think" they analysed right and battles..
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.