Character Discussion Why is it so hard for some of you to accept that Sanji is a tragedy post the TS, Oda absolutely butchered this char...
Actually.. Yes. Not that i'm am the best, there is always better. But I have noticed that around those WG plains, I do have a better understanding of One Piece than those who try to do analysis. Especially when the majority say something as ludicrous as "Oda destroyed Sanji post Timeskip" and that's not only because I effectively had special courses on the subject but also because I spent half of my life analysing One Piece.
But don't believe me.. again.. try to watch the video. Put it on x2 if you want, will be faster, at least you will avoid me doing you a sum up.
Last time I give you the link:
Next time will be a sum up.
And the people on the planet believe in something that doesn't exist. It doesn't make it right because it's a majority.
New readers tends to love post time skip as they are not influenced by the fans or the week to week pace.
Actually this is wrong (this is something I forgot to mention). Wano's panelling structure was very similar to post time skip. That's one of the reason why this arc is so good in fact. Oda let himself breeze a little during that Arc.
No you didn't understand. I meant that because there are 3 entire arc before the time skip and BECAUSE those arc are specifically focused on Luffy (and therefore have less secondary plotline) they feel like they are faster and stronger, but the reality is: those narration are the same.
And by secondary plot I mean secondary character plot: For example in WCI it's the recuperation of the poneglyph or the conquering of the mirror world by Chopper and Carrot. In wano it's some of the fight too (the strawhat fight for example or the story of Yamato), pretimeskip it was the story of the different strawhat during each arcs.
Arlong Park also had secondary plot. It was the debarking of the strawhat (Zoro and Usopp) or the fight of Zoro, sanji and Usopp.
You need to understand that the closer we get to the end, the bigger the arena of the story will be. Meaning that we will have more and more storylines. Of course Oda could only focus on Luffy, but the story wouldn't feel as lively as the theme wouldn't be as impactfull at the end of each arcs. But you also need to understand that there are no storyplot that are useless. Some are indeed weaker than other - granted - but all of them serv a purpose.
The realitythat you might not have noticed, is that since the time skip, the world of One Piece because a LOT MORE lively. The amount of characters and location are now insane and we are not now focusing on single character like Norland, but on entire families and groups that shape entire countries.
This change is something the fan missed. Pretimeskip was cool of course and had amazing arc, but post time skip is were the story really shines.
And yet Water Seven and Ennie Lobby have a lot of secondary plot as well. The reality is that secondary plot is not something problematic it only make the story shine brighter in the end. But I get that on a week to week basis, it can be frustrating. That's why I suggest readers who don't like post time skip, to read One Piece in volume rather than scans.
1. You forgot the fact that Usopp is one of the character with the most shining moment pretimeskip so its only logical that Oda let him breeze a little.
2. Usopp had a role in Fishmen even if he wasn't forfront and like all strawhat shined during his fight.
3. Usopp was one that had the best shining moment in dressrosa
4. Usopp might be the one with the best shining moment in the future as Elbaf is coming.
So no. Usopp is good, don't worry about him and Oda is not doing a poor job with him.
1. Yes he did by winning against Jora.
You don't remember this fight because you don't pay enough attention that's all mate.
2. What Brook went through whole cake was HUGE for his charater has it shows how much his bond has grown with the strawhat and how strawhat can react in front of an emperor.
3. Now.. like all the strawhat Brook's arc was thriller bark, now Brook will only evolve in the subtext. Like I said, Brook evolved during Whole cake, he went through a traumatic event that may be triggering a evolution in the future.
You really need to understand that One Piece is not about having the strawhat all evolve at the same time and have a shining moment in everyarc.
What is this quest for character development ? The development of Robin comes at the end of Wano during her fight with black Maria, during Dressrosa, Robin shined as a support character.
EVEN pretimeskip the strawhats weren't developped each arc bro.. You need to stop thinking that way. Development of the strawhats is:
1. Most of the time subtle unless the arc is really focusing on one specific character
2. It doesn't happen every arc
3. Is not a scale to gauge of the quality of an arc. For that you should be looking at the story.
Alors.. sigh..
First, no. Oda is not forgetting that Sanji also fight. But no. Sanji is not introduced as a fighter but a COOK. He fight later. (close in term of story, but later in term of introduction)
Second, yeah. I do remember baratie and the first thematic of Sanji's character arc was not his willingness to fight, but the way he treated GIN. Meaning NICELY. IT's the ONE reason why Luffy had eye on him in the first place (go check if you don't believe me)
But I'm not surprised, you are part of the 70% that are willing to throw sanji's entire character to see him fight strong people just because you are jalouse that Zoro is the badass one. Well.. you are completely missing the point that sanji is actually more badass than Zoro. But in a nicer way.
And again, there was no fake hype, there was no hype at all for Sanji fighting, it was against his character development
And yes Sanji is THAT nice. I know you guys can't accept that men can cry because they are lost.. toxic masculinity is hard.. i know.
I won't pretend. Thinking that Sanji should have a fight in whole cake is complete ignorance of:
- Storytelling
- Sanji's character
- Oda's thematic and storylines
- Common sence.
No. it's just that in that case, I do understand more and you understand less :)
Actually most of Sanji's fanbase is agreeing with you as shown by the poll. Most of you don't deserve Sanji.
A fighter doesn't care who he will fight.What oda is writting here is that Sanji is starting to question himself as a fighter and as a person. So of xcourse he will think about this. Plus he never wished he could hit a women, he was just in a situation were he didn't knew who he was. And he evolved. He learned by himself that no matter the consequences, he will stick to his credo and be someone good. That's what real good people do.
Yes it is and no it destroy nothing. To know why, WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO. Or else I will makeyou a sum up, but either way you will understand why. you just don't understand sanji's character and think that its a Zoro 2.0 with curly eyebrow and blond hair. Sanji is NOT Zoro.
Also this had nothing to do with the fight between usopp and Luffy the thematic were completely different.. Damn.. thelack of understanding is amazing here.
Yes I can't, I just don't waste my time. Watch the damn video. If you won't I'll make a sum up that you will have to read anyway.
Which was was but not "germa fast". A lot of people can disappear. Oven was just very slow. Plus you need to understand that Sanji was tired and was holding Luffy while avoiding canon shot and pistol shot..
Wtf.. you just said to me that I was right and I waas wrong in the same paragraph.. You quite something..
But you lack the understanding that Sanji made this descision despite the fact that he was thinking that he was becoming a monster. What Sanji proved to himself was not to stop himself from becoming a monster, it was to do anything to avoid becoming one because of the germa suit.. again.. you don't understand sanji's character.
That's why I suggest you to watch the video. Because I'm not the only one here who understand Sanji as a character.
But don't believe me.. again.. try to watch the video. Put it on x2 if you want, will be faster, at least you will avoid me doing you a sum up.
Last time I give you the link:
Next time will be a sum up.
And the people on the planet believe in something that doesn't exist. It doesn't make it right because it's a majority.
New readers tends to love post time skip as they are not influenced by the fans or the week to week pace.
Actually this is wrong (this is something I forgot to mention). Wano's panelling structure was very similar to post time skip. That's one of the reason why this arc is so good in fact. Oda let himself breeze a little during that Arc.
No you didn't understand. I meant that because there are 3 entire arc before the time skip and BECAUSE those arc are specifically focused on Luffy (and therefore have less secondary plotline) they feel like they are faster and stronger, but the reality is: those narration are the same.
And by secondary plot I mean secondary character plot: For example in WCI it's the recuperation of the poneglyph or the conquering of the mirror world by Chopper and Carrot. In wano it's some of the fight too (the strawhat fight for example or the story of Yamato), pretimeskip it was the story of the different strawhat during each arcs.
Arlong Park also had secondary plot. It was the debarking of the strawhat (Zoro and Usopp) or the fight of Zoro, sanji and Usopp.
You need to understand that the closer we get to the end, the bigger the arena of the story will be. Meaning that we will have more and more storylines. Of course Oda could only focus on Luffy, but the story wouldn't feel as lively as the theme wouldn't be as impactfull at the end of each arcs. But you also need to understand that there are no storyplot that are useless. Some are indeed weaker than other - granted - but all of them serv a purpose.
The realitythat you might not have noticed, is that since the time skip, the world of One Piece because a LOT MORE lively. The amount of characters and location are now insane and we are not now focusing on single character like Norland, but on entire families and groups that shape entire countries.
This change is something the fan missed. Pretimeskip was cool of course and had amazing arc, but post time skip is were the story really shines.
And yet Water Seven and Ennie Lobby have a lot of secondary plot as well. The reality is that secondary plot is not something problematic it only make the story shine brighter in the end. But I get that on a week to week basis, it can be frustrating. That's why I suggest readers who don't like post time skip, to read One Piece in volume rather than scans.
1. You forgot the fact that Usopp is one of the character with the most shining moment pretimeskip so its only logical that Oda let him breeze a little.
2. Usopp had a role in Fishmen even if he wasn't forfront and like all strawhat shined during his fight.
3. Usopp was one that had the best shining moment in dressrosa
4. Usopp might be the one with the best shining moment in the future as Elbaf is coming.
So no. Usopp is good, don't worry about him and Oda is not doing a poor job with him.
1. Yes he did by winning against Jora.
You don't remember this fight because you don't pay enough attention that's all mate.
2. What Brook went through whole cake was HUGE for his charater has it shows how much his bond has grown with the strawhat and how strawhat can react in front of an emperor.
3. Now.. like all the strawhat Brook's arc was thriller bark, now Brook will only evolve in the subtext. Like I said, Brook evolved during Whole cake, he went through a traumatic event that may be triggering a evolution in the future.
You really need to understand that One Piece is not about having the strawhat all evolve at the same time and have a shining moment in everyarc.
What is this quest for character development ? The development of Robin comes at the end of Wano during her fight with black Maria, during Dressrosa, Robin shined as a support character.
EVEN pretimeskip the strawhats weren't developped each arc bro.. You need to stop thinking that way. Development of the strawhats is:
1. Most of the time subtle unless the arc is really focusing on one specific character
2. It doesn't happen every arc
3. Is not a scale to gauge of the quality of an arc. For that you should be looking at the story.
Alors.. sigh..
First, no. Oda is not forgetting that Sanji also fight. But no. Sanji is not introduced as a fighter but a COOK. He fight later. (close in term of story, but later in term of introduction)
Second, yeah. I do remember baratie and the first thematic of Sanji's character arc was not his willingness to fight, but the way he treated GIN. Meaning NICELY. IT's the ONE reason why Luffy had eye on him in the first place (go check if you don't believe me)
But I'm not surprised, you are part of the 70% that are willing to throw sanji's entire character to see him fight strong people just because you are jalouse that Zoro is the badass one. Well.. you are completely missing the point that sanji is actually more badass than Zoro. But in a nicer way.
And again, there was no fake hype, there was no hype at all for Sanji fighting, it was against his character development
And yes Sanji is THAT nice. I know you guys can't accept that men can cry because they are lost.. toxic masculinity is hard.. i know.
I won't pretend. Thinking that Sanji should have a fight in whole cake is complete ignorance of:
- Storytelling
- Sanji's character
- Oda's thematic and storylines
- Common sence.
No. it's just that in that case, I do understand more and you understand less :)
Actually most of Sanji's fanbase is agreeing with you as shown by the poll. Most of you don't deserve Sanji.
A fighter doesn't care who he will fight.What oda is writting here is that Sanji is starting to question himself as a fighter and as a person. So of xcourse he will think about this. Plus he never wished he could hit a women, he was just in a situation were he didn't knew who he was. And he evolved. He learned by himself that no matter the consequences, he will stick to his credo and be someone good. That's what real good people do.
Yes it is and no it destroy nothing. To know why, WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO. Or else I will makeyou a sum up, but either way you will understand why. you just don't understand sanji's character and think that its a Zoro 2.0 with curly eyebrow and blond hair. Sanji is NOT Zoro.
Also this had nothing to do with the fight between usopp and Luffy the thematic were completely different.. Damn.. thelack of understanding is amazing here.
Yes I can't, I just don't waste my time. Watch the damn video. If you won't I'll make a sum up that you will have to read anyway.
Which was was but not "germa fast". A lot of people can disappear. Oven was just very slow. Plus you need to understand that Sanji was tired and was holding Luffy while avoiding canon shot and pistol shot..
Wtf.. you just said to me that I was right and I waas wrong in the same paragraph.. You quite something..
But you lack the understanding that Sanji made this descision despite the fact that he was thinking that he was becoming a monster. What Sanji proved to himself was not to stop himself from becoming a monster, it was to do anything to avoid becoming one because of the germa suit.. again.. you don't understand sanji's character.
That's why I suggest you to watch the video. Because I'm not the only one here who understand Sanji as a character.
Luffy isn't going to have 3 wings unless he suddenly becomes a biblical seraphim, but then he'd need 6.
You need multiples of 2 to fly.
Also, just because it needs to be said @CarrotForNakama Can you stop posting the video? You've done it a dozen times on this forum already. If you can't debate something on your own without forcing others to watch something then don't debate. This is why essays quote their sources, it literally gives you a weak argument to keep jamming a link in front of peoples faces for your point.
You need multiples of 2 to fly.
Also, just because it needs to be said @CarrotForNakama Can you stop posting the video? You've done it a dozen times on this forum already. If you can't debate something on your own without forcing others to watch something then don't debate. This is why essays quote their sources, it literally gives you a weak argument to keep jamming a link in front of peoples faces for your point.
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"Has the most development and a great arc full of depth in WCI alone, key moments elsewhere, gets so much depth it even starves other shws at times off space"
"but it somehow doesnt count because also has silly joke about liking women"
I know you just pretending to bait cause its how you cope with not being able to cancel the imaginary character cause he likes women as a joke and that reminded you of your loneliness and being puritan is how you cope with virginity, but you need Therapy asap, even for a femcel, youre too desperate and btthurt
So besides being envious and repressed youre also a liar AND an arc-skipper, since she got scenes even in this arc and that was 10 chapters not to mention everything in the rest. Crying and seething at Sanjino jokes and Nami's body gives away this is seethy femcel behavior instead of just bait
she got development but magically doesnt count because her big baboonga reminds you no dude wanna touch you, even the fat sweaty ones. Evil Oda should make her barrel shaped and wearing a hazmat suit just so no lil baby start crying in fear, what does eternal lack of physical contact and attention does to a mf lmao
"but it somehow doesnt count because also has silly joke about liking women"
I know you just pretending to bait cause its how you cope with not being able to cancel the imaginary character cause he likes women as a joke and that reminded you of your loneliness and being puritan is how you cope with virginity, but you need Therapy asap, even for a femcel, youre too desperate and btthurt
So besides being envious and repressed youre also a liar AND an arc-skipper, since she got scenes even in this arc and that was 10 chapters not to mention everything in the rest. Crying and seething at Sanjino jokes and Nami's body gives away this is seethy femcel behavior instead of just bait
she got development but magically doesnt count because her big baboonga reminds you no dude wanna touch you, even the fat sweaty ones. Evil Oda should make her barrel shaped and wearing a hazmat suit just so no lil baby start crying in fear, what does eternal lack of physical contact and attention does to a mf lmao