Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

Who is the traitor?


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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
SInce when can zoro use ryou ??
I don't remember zoro cuting without contact ?
When luffy used ryou zoro said so it is the haki he learned ? Showing he had no idea wtf it was.
If Zoro would ahve ryo he would not need contact with king and would not clash swords with him.
How can zoro cut kaido without ryou lmfao
 
It is clear that Oda is suffering with dementia. Internal destruction main mechanism is to destroy something from inside out despite of extremely tough outside defense. And yet barely seen in a usage when it matters, similar to FS.
 
Since Oda gave him the name "Joker" because he was supposed to be in Wano (and he'd be Law's opponent).

Crocodile has a higher bounty than King you moron. Crocodile = A failed version of Doffy, and first Warlord to be defeated.

... And how does that relate to a Joker being higher than a King exactly? You're using circular reasoning. "Joker is stronger than King so a Joker is above a King in Oda's deck because Joker is stronger than King". Baseless. Joker lies outside the structure, period.

I don't understand why you started randomly talking about Crocodile lmfao. But there is no way you're seriously bounty-scaling rn. Like please tell me you're joking. Fifth Emperor Luffy had a higher bounty then King and he would've gotten his cheeks clapped.

Luffy, Law and Kid have equal bounties and Luffy can probably beat them both at the same time. Bounty scaling has to be the most retarded form of power-scaling with so many inconsistencies that none of us have enough time to go through them all.
 
If AP wasn’t needed Oda wouldn’t have added COC coating the final stage of the fight and the only moment where Zoro gets the upper hand
Zoro needed better master over his haki/enma to stop getting overpowered/overwhelmed but coc isn't necessary

Current zoro can beat king without a using the same principles he did in koh just with coa. Unleashing excess coa through all his swords
It wouldn't be as fast and easy without coc but he should definitely be able to beat him
Nah he doesn't have better protrayal other than in durability
Queen hyped his durability not overall strength
Everyone that sees King, hype his dura ...they don't really think he's powerful as fighter or super skilled.

Different from seeing BMP hype Katakuri's strength, or Beast pirates hyping Kaido's dura and mostly his strength!
His name and the fact he's the right hand do tho
The best queen can hope for is being = with knowledge. Hes not gonna be over until portrayal changes
 
You can still hurt flames on Lunarians:
  • Or else King wouldn't be blocking and running away once EnOu zoro started landing moves
  • Or else Lasers wouldn't be an issue for seraphims
Zoro is forgetting again something
Watch him remember adcoc /hax /lasers Or other abilities that bypass durability can do the job
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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We saw the entire fight play out.
Where did he hurt King in flame mode and with what attack?
There's simply zero panels of Flame On Lunarians being damaged in the entire manga itself.

He basically said that Lunarians are Invincible in Flame On.
Else he would ask Luffy to use CoC on them, which he didn't.


Why so?
Ofc Zoro can't do it in 3 attacks like he did, he will do it in 10 or so.
And yes, difficulty of the fight will be higher but he can do it.
King didn't even land Tempuraduon or Karyudon on a distracted Zoro anyway.
Except Zoro says they aren’t, so that means he has reason to think they can hurt them with it on. The distinction is clear.

lmao this is the same argument sanj stands use. Because King can default to flame mode if the battle ever pushes him? cause King has switched forms against a faster opponent in Marco and wasn’t caught or injured during their battle or against Zoro.

Knowing how his abilities work doesn’tlet one beat him. And on top of that Oda tossed Zoro the same PU Luffy needed against Kaido, mimicked Luffy’s dialogue for Zoro. CoC was a essential power up, Oda doesn’t hand those t power ups without an immediate need for them
 
... And how does that relate to a Joker being higher than a King exactly? You're using circular reasoning. "Joker is stronger than King so Joker is above King in Oda's deck because Joker is stronger than King". Baseless.

I don't understand why you started randomly talking about Crocodile lmfao. But there is no way you're seriously bounty-scaling rn. Like please tell me you're joking. Fifth Emperor Luffy had a higher bounty then King and he would've gotten his cheeks clapped.

Luffy, Law and Kid have equal bounties and Luffy can probably beat them both at the same time. Bounty scaling has to be the most retarded form of power-scaling with so many inconsistencies that none of us have enough time to go through them all.
Because if he was in Wano, he'd be Law's opponent. Read what I wrote.

Law's opponent > Zoro's opponents/Sanji's opponents.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Zoro needed better master over his haki/enma to stop getting overpowered/overwhelmed but coc isn't necessary

Current zoro can beat king without a using the same principles he did in koh just with coa. Unleashing excess coa through all his swords
It wouldn't be as fast and easy without coc but he should definitely be able to beat him

His name and the fact he's the right hand do tho
The best queen can hope for is being = with knowledge. Hes not gonna be over until portrayal changes
No he can’t, Zoro is marginally stronger than Onigashima Zoro. Without KoH he gets similar treatment.
 
Why is Oda refusing to let even Luffy use AdvCoC here… For whatever reason Luffy has neither used advCoA or AdvCoC this entire arc…

In Wano, Zoro directly asks King why he is blocking his AdvCoC attacks in Flame mode and Oda doesn’t let us see whether Zoro can damage him

Here we have Zoro telling Luffy that he supposedly can’t damage the Seraphims no matter what… But… Why doesn’t Oda just HAVE ZORO OR LUFFY TRY… Why have we not yet seen AdvCoC used on these Lunarians yet?
 
What durability lmfao
Ryou is enough to break kaidos durability
Acoc makes you scar kaido
Both together would do massive damage

Meanwhile King took both in the first attack and was fine
ryou by pass Kaido durability . It do not break it .
How can zoro cut kaido without ryou lmfao
BY using a realy powerfull haki ? Kaido himself can't use ryou . LIke I said if zoro had ryou he would not need contact.
Enma was focusing way more haki that zoro could normally used at 1 time on enma. this is how ZOro was able to cut kaido . tought with ashura zoro used a bit of coc and kaido felted it .
 
It is clear that Oda is suffering with dementia. Internal destruction main mechanism is to destroy something from inside out despite of extremely tough outside defense. And yet barely seen in a usage when it matters, similar to FS.
When luffy uses adcoa, oda makes it clear
He just makes luffy not use fs and adcoa oftenly for plot and fake tensions

Luffy emembered adcoa when he did bajran to overcome Kaido's finisher
Which means he didn't use adcoa since the moment he used Kong gatling and ran out if haki lol
Or maybe when he used Roc g3
 
Why is Oda refusing to let even Luffy use AdvCoC here… For whatever reason Luffy has neither used advCoA or AdvCoC this entire arc…

In Wano, Zoro directly asks King why he is blocking his AdvCoC attacks in Flame mode and Oda doesn’t let us see whether Zoro can damage him

Here we have Zoro telling Luffy that he supposedly can’t damage the Seraphims no matter what… But… Why doesn’t Oda just HAVE ZORO OR LUFFY TRY… Why have we not yet seen AdvCoC used on these Lunarians yet?
Plot
 
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