[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

you know whats more weird
when we all voted innocent
he still wanted to get lynched
voting guilty till drago told him off
and the fool tactic of playing scorned and being the first person to go with the vote
it all seems sketchy to me
go back and read the their post
flower seemed to be complainining about hw in one post
and another talking very differently

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Cinera claimed Butler. If there are no duplications he is lying.

problem is we cant trust you unless you are counter claiming as well.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

The timing and content of this post is very strange. Unless if @Dragomir confirms it, you’re a Seeker in panic 😀

I am not converted. Cults who can mess with my investigation are Ritualist and Apostle. My ability cannot be accurate with the presence of Ritualist and Apostle so I'm probably the least threat to them and we haven't caught player with Ritualist/Apostle role.

 

[Seraphoenix]

What what what what, why?

Not gonna elaborate but if there are no duplications then he is lying.

problem is we cant trust you unless you are counter claiming as well.

Make of it what you will. However I am not going to claim unless I feel it necessary. Putting all our chips on the table allows cult to pick and choose who they want to convert. Not a smart thing to do.

 

[Natalija]

I am not converted. Cults who can mess with my investigation are Ritualist and Apostle. My ability cannot be accurate with the presence of Ritualist and Apostle so I'm probably the least threat to them and we haven't caught player with Ritualist/Apostle role.

Meh, even if they did mess with your results, you wouldn’t know. Let alone say you definitely were wrong.
Good chances are we started out with a Leader and Apostle and you’re the Seeker now.

Dear lord, suddenly we have a hoard of Butlers 😂

 

[Seraphoenix]

Flower implies that she was forced to post that stuff yesterday. If she was the fool wouldn't it continue? Or does it pass onto someone else?

Also did TAC answer for his weird posts? If it was flavour then surely he would confirm? If not then he was also forced to post a certain way.

Any roles where you can force someone to post a certain way? Or a role where you have to post a certain way to unlock abilities?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Flower implies that she was forced to post that stuff yesterday. If she was the fool wouldn't it continue? Or does it pass onto someone else?

Also did TAC answer for his weird posts? If it was flavour then surely he would confirm? If not then he was also forced to post a certain way.

Any roles where you can force someone to post a certain way? Or a role where you have to post a certain way to unlock abilities?

scorned and fool
peep this
One viable strategy is convincing people you are The Scorned. You can do this by trollboxing a player into making a silly accusation against someone else, and then backing up that accusation yourself while being the first to vote up the fake target. The goal is to have Blue Dragon execute you instead under suspicion of being The Scorned.

Use your Trollbox to make another player say something incriminating while you are on stand

cinera when he was accused after he claimed still voted guilty.

 

[Flower]

Can more people contribute? Feels like the same people are talking while others take a backseat.

 

[Natalija]

Flower implies that she was forced to post that stuff yesterday. If she was the fool wouldn't it continue? Or does it pass onto someone else?

Also did TAC answer for his weird posts? If it was flavour then surely he would confirm? If not then he was also forced to post a certain way.

Any roles where you can force someone to post a certain way? Or a role where you have to post a certain way to unlock abilities?

Flower and Queen probably wanted to sound weird on purpose. Apostle can force you to vote for someone during the day. This is why I believe there is definitely an Apostle, the bastard.

I’m just shooting in the dark. Let’s not trust Flower, Queen and NW for now and focus on someone else?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Flower and Queen probably wanted to sound weird on purpose. Apostle can force you to vote for someone during the day. This is why I believe there is definitely an Apostle, the bastard.

I’m just shooting in the dark. Let’s not trust Flower, Queen and NW for now and focus on someone else?

whats your suggestion

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Can more people contribute? Feels like the same people are talking while others take a backseat.

why dont you contribute then
as an experienced player

 

[Flower]

Not gonna elaborate but if there are no duplications then he is lying.

Make of it what you will. However I am not going to claim unless I feel it necessary. Putting all our chips on the table allows cult to pick and choose who they want to convert. Not a smart thing to do.

You basically already claimed, though .

 

[Seraphoenix]

You basically already claimed, though .

 

[Reborn]

This is just weird.

NW flipfloppin

Nata isn't credible to me

Sera claims cinera is lying

Queen and tac claimed physician but queen wanted DA to get lynched first while tac wanted no Lynch at all

Now let's assume there is can't be duplication then definitely
Between queen and tac - one is LYING

Between - sera and cinera one is lying.

And,our invest reads aren't credible

Now, if I consider timing of sera claim then if he was cult then he could have simply taken back seat with already big mess going on.

But instead he proactive claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't sound like scummy.

Infact, I actually believe sera because if cinera doesn't flip Butlersl then he would be branded as sus yet instead of hiding under such messy situation, he claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't seem to be scummy game play


So, Vote lynch cinera

 

[Flower]

This is just weird.

NW flipfloppin

Nata isn't credible to me

Sera claims cinera is lying

Queen and tac claimed physician but queen wanted DA to get lynched first while tac wanted no Lynch at all

Now let's assume there is can't be duplication then definitely
Between queen and tac - one is LYING

Between - sera and cinera one is lying.

And,our invest reads aren't credible

Now, if I consider timing of sera claim then if he was cult then he could have simply taken back seat with already big mess going on.

But instead he proactive claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't sound like scummy.

Infact, I actually believe sera because if cinera doesn't flip Butlersl then he would be branded as sus yet instead of hiding under such messy situation, he claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't seem to be scummy game play


So, Vote lynch cinera

You wanna lynch the Fool?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

This is just weird.

NW flipfloppin

Nata isn't credible to me

Sera claims cinera is lying

Queen and tac claimed physician but queen wanted DA to get lynched first while tac wanted no Lynch at all

Now let's assume there is can't be duplication then definitely
Between queen and tac - one is LYING

Between - sera and cinera one is lying.

And,our invest reads aren't credible

Now, if I consider timing of sera claim then if he was cult then he could have simply taken back seat with already big mess going on.

But instead he proactive claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't sound like scummy.

Infact, I actually believe sera because if cinera doesn't flip Butlersl then he would be branded as sus yet instead of hiding under such messy situation, he claimed cinera is lying. This doesn't seem to be scummy game play


So, Vote lynch cinera

dont
jailer needs to act on cinera
something tells me he wants to get lynched
reborn trust me on this
I think cinera is the reason for flower's weird play.

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You wanna lynch the Fool?

why didnt you come out and say this
before
why are you agreeing with me now.

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@Dragomir
if there were some miscalculations last night
can there be a general announcement?

 

[Flower]

dont
jailer needs to act on cinera
something tells me he wants to get lynched
reborn trust me on this
I think cinera is the reason for flower's weird play.

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why didnt you come out and say this
before
why are you agreeing with me now.

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@Dragomir
if there were some miscalculations last night
can there be a general announcement?

I just now realized that.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Okay. I'll try isolating her later, but I'm up for her Lynch.


Please share. This is just bait for you to get converted/killed off before you disclose it.


I can be converted. I haven't yet.


Leaning positive I think. This is only my second game with her. My first, we were Scum buddies and she was a noob then (I was also advising her), so I expect her Scum meta has changed a lot from what I remember. This is a long winded way of saying I don't have a good handle on her meta. I'll need to isolate her later and solidify my reads.


Not being told if conversions happened is very frustrating. We're flying in blind.

@Cinera you are very inactive today, give me your reads on who you sus and why. I would also like to hear your views on Tac, Queen n DA.

The best target for your Mind Warp ability is the Paladin. He may find a Blue Dragon player as Cult because of it, which will lead to an easy execution.

"Mind Warp does not disguise fellow Cult members as Blue Dragon. Thus, Mind Warping an investigative that checks a Cult member will not make the Cult member appear as Not Suspicious. "

So since new result of Queen is not Cult, can we conclude Mind wrap wasn't used?

Whats with everyones focus on TAC?
Reborn's theory of TAC being the killer because jailed and no kills N1 doesn't hold a lot of grain of salt with N2 having no killers unless he was jailed a second time but he didn't mention it so I think the jailor picked someone else.

what are the chances, a NK wouldn't kill the next day when he isn't Jailored?

I still

I am the physician

protected finalbeta n1 because he was one of the most active players
made neutralwatcher permanently immune to bleeding d2 because he was the paladin
healed natalija n2 because she was the other investigative role

If you save somebody at night with Heal, your target will be notified that a healer saved them. They can use that testimony to back up your claim of Physician if need be.

Do we only get this when a Kill is tried?
@Natalija you got any such notification?

@TheAncientCenturion who did you use your abilities on?

I trust flower, she is probably not lying

two physicians is not an impossible scenario

yes, it is

phyisician is not an unique role

anyways get dark admiral, his meta been off and al sama was scum acting
also al sama got a sub instead of being modkilled so that means he had an important role

vote dark admiral

ngl, I realized it now

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if it's impossible to have two physicians, then get tac
but first we need to get dark admiral

Also, there could be two physician/doctors in this game. Problem is physicians are also one of the most easy to fake claim.

where did you read this Reborn, i didn't find it in Physician info.

tac may be lying but we need to get DA first

Why didn’t you push for DA yesterday? You’re suddenly suspcious of everyone now that you’re in the hot seat

I need you to believe me, at least for today, please, I am the physician, and if natalija or da are not scum kill me tonight or tomorrow

tac is probably lying, but we need to get da or natalija first

oh god
i digged myself into a hole
there is nothing I can do to not get lynched today anymore
you will get your answers when you see my last will

Than you tried one more Game Play.

what was flower doing d2?

accused tac of being unseen
claimed to be an investigator
then said tac was bd
and she was scorn
then today she said
forget all that.

and why would she do that?

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now that the fucking PALADIN confirmed his result was: QUEEN IS NOT A CULT MEMBER and lanji/natalija already kinda know what is going on
can we get the fake physician claim?

an attempt to get lynched as the fool . we figured out she was the fool so claimed to be the scorned . scorned can be lynched without the same consequences of the fool. both have the power to make players say what they didnt.

or someone else is the fool
made flower say all those things while the real flower was actually only complaining about her homework
in an atempt to have themselves lynched. However this theory needs to rely on trollbox being active all day.

you almost there
do you still srsly believe I'm scum?

wym am almost there
why cant you just outright say it
they have a chokehold on you too huh

the paladin already said everything you need to know

These are Queen reactions to being Lynched. She didn't sus NW who sussed him or Tac who had the same role(at start). Rather believed same Role users can exist, without considering the other possibility. And went after DA without any solid sus.

In such scenario i personally would have tried atleast some cross checking with NW n Tac. What odd is neither Tac did the same, if i didn't missed it.

I still find Krogo scummy, maybe I'll build a case later.

i am also looking fwd to this case, are you looking into it?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

@Cinera you are very inactive today, give me your reads on who you sus and why. I would also like to hear your views on Tac, Queen n DA.

So since new result of Queen is not Cult, can we conclude Mind wrap wasn't used?
what are the chances, a NK wouldn't kill the next day when he isn't Jailored?


If you save somebody at night with Heal, your target will be notified that a healer saved them. They can use that testimony to back up your claim of Physician if need be.

Do we only get this when a Kill is tried?
@Natalija you got any such notification?

@TheAncientCenturion who did you use your abilities on?





where did you read this Reborn, i didn't find it in Physician info.







Than you tried one more Game Play.







These are Queen reactions to being Lynched. She didn't sus NW who sussed him or Tac who had the same role(at start). Rather believed same Role users can exist, without considering the other possibility. And went after DA without any solid sus.

In such scenario i personally would have tried atleast some cross checking with NW n Tac. What odd is neither Tac did the same, if i didn't missed it.

i am also looking fwd to this case, are you looking into it?

yup that my prob with queen
her first accusation should have been on tac who claimed her role.

 

[Reborn]

You wanna lynch the Fool?

Huh? You are the fool.

Even if I consider that somethings happened to you, you have many ways to drop hint instead of playing like a fool and then even pulling tactic of fool that is Scorned.


You aren't trust worthy at all.

And, saying "guilty" during trial doesn't mean he was under control when during phase one people already cleared him as innocent

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dont
jailer needs to act on cinera
something tells me he wants to get lynched
reborn trust me on this
I think cinera is the reason for flower's weird play.

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why didnt you come out and say this
before
why are you agreeing with me now.

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@Dragomir
if there were some miscalculations last night
can there be a general announcement?

What reason do you have?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Huh? You are the fool.

Even if I consider that somethings happened to you, you have many ways to drop hint instead of playing like a fool and then even pulling tactic of fool that is Scorned.


You aren't trust worthy at all.

And, saying "guilty" during trial doesn't mean he was under control when during phase one people already cleared him as innocent

No am saying cinera
wanted to be lynched .

 

[Reborn]

@Cinera you are very inactive today, give me your reads on who you sus and why. I would also like to hear your views on Tac, Queen n DA.

So since new result of Queen is not Cult, can we conclude Mind wrap wasn't used?
what are the chances, a NK wouldn't kill the next day when he isn't Jailored?


If you save somebody at night with Heal, your target will be notified that a healer saved them. They can use that testimony to back up your claim of Physician if need be.

Do we only get this when a Kill is tried?
@Natalija you got any such notification?

@TheAncientCenturion who did you use your abilities on?





where did you read this Reborn, i didn't find it in Physician info.







Than you tried one more Game Play.







These are Queen reactions to being Lynched. She didn't sus NW who sussed him or Tac who had the same role(at start). Rather believed same Role users can exist, without considering the other possibility. And went after DA without any solid sus.

In such scenario i personally would have tried atleast some cross checking with NW n Tac. What odd is neither Tac did the same, if i didn't missed it.

i am also looking fwd to this case, are you looking into it?

Last games experience.