Questions & Mysteries Which character will be the first one to destroy Lunarian defense?
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Because the way i see it, its like the "skills not strength" nitpicking.
Neither did Zoro harm Flame On on panel, nor did he ask Luffy to use his CoC/highend moves etc,. He simply asked to attack Flame Off.
The point is Oda isnt sitting there with an Attack Tier list and measuring which attack can hurt Flame On and which one cannot. Its far easier for me to believe that Flame On is simply indestructible while Flame Off can be exploited.
Neither did Zoro harm Flame On on panel, nor did he ask Luffy to use his CoC/highend moves etc,. He simply asked to attack Flame Off.
The point is Oda isnt sitting there with an Attack Tier list and measuring which attack can hurt Flame On and which one cannot. Its far easier for me to believe that Flame On is simply indestructible while Flame Off can be exploited.
I don't see how the two are even comparable especially when there is a clear difference between "he is invincible" and " he is almost invincible"
For Zoro not harming King on panel, we already have statements from King and Zoro directly implying Zoro can. I don't see why you need to see something in order to determine that such a thing can happen.
How do you know whether Oda has or not though?
For Zoro not harming King on panel, we already have statements from King and Zoro directly implying Zoro can. I don't see why you need to see something in order to determine that such a thing can happen.
How do you know whether Oda has or not though?
the problem isnt oda doing a poor job to explain king's power its about his haters faking purposely not understanding his power to downplay him and by extention zoro.
they are called almost invicible because some attack can indeed hard them in flame on.
koh zoro did in against king in onigashima.
now the second option to beat seraphim is to wait for flame off this way you wont have to pull the same amount of effort with flame on.
For some reasons Oda didnt want zoro and luffy to use coc yet so he choose option 2.
True because that is more effective
Why was it called out at that moment specifically though? Why did King affirm with "I realize the threat you represent"?
It is also based on the fact that Zoro went into his final attack with no care about Flame off or Flame on and basically challenged King to try and survive his attack.
All these have narrative significance which is being ignored
Why was it called out at that moment specifically though? Why did King affirm with "I realize the threat you represent"?
It is also based on the fact that Zoro went into his final attack with no care about Flame off or Flame on and basically challenged King to try and survive his attack.
All these have narrative significance which is being ignored
Because thats really the only way to deal with Lunarians.
It was called out right after Zoro hurt him in Flame Off mode, when King started to backtrack & was scared.
This happened long before and after seeing CoC being used.
We didnt hear his internal monologue of whether he was checking the Flame.
But in the end he ended up attacking Flame Off.
It was called out right after Zoro hurt him in Flame Off mode, when King started to backtrack & was scared.
This happened long before and after seeing CoC being used.
We didnt hear his internal monologue of whether he was checking the Flame.
But in the end he ended up attacking Flame Off.
The fact that Zoro himself is saying that they are practically/nigh invincible in flame mode added with the undeniable reality that throughout the King fight, Zoro never actually got through King’s defense in flame-on mode.
It’s not difficult. If Zoro can indeed overcome flame on durability with his AP we will know by the end of his fight with S-Hawk.
It’s not difficult. If Zoro can indeed overcome flame on durability with his AP we will know by the end of his fight with S-Hawk.
Just semantics, because you usually don't speak in absolute terms. Zoro himself has no reference point to believe attacks are working on flame mode. Even in King of Hell, he said that attacking flames on King is pointless.
Zoro did say of course that King seems concerned and starts blocking while in flame mode. But that isn't proof Zoro can harm flame mode. It might as well mean that the flame mode runs out after tanking a certain amount of damage and needs to be recharged afterwards.
Zoro did say of course that King seems concerned and starts blocking while in flame mode. But that isn't proof Zoro can harm flame mode. It might as well mean that the flame mode runs out after tanking a certain amount of damage and needs to be recharged afterwards.
As far as we know yes ^^ but that could potentially change in the future. Nothing is absolute (i.e Kaido is a good example of this) I’m particularly interested in seeing how lasers in particular interact with their durability given how wary the Punks were of Franky’s lazer.
Also I hope Oda actually explains why the Lunarians are so durable at some point 💀
Also I hope Oda actually explains why the Lunarians are so durable at some point 💀
Its something that goes beyond just mere durability imo. No one really said King is the toughest guy in the manga, it still is Kaido.
Its just total invulnerability, something thats fit for a race compared to Gods.
May tie into something like their beliefs in the Sun God (King was waiting for Joyboy all along) is manifested in the flame behind their backs which gives them total immunity against attacks or something idk.
Its just total invulnerability, something thats fit for a race compared to Gods.
May tie into something like their beliefs in the Sun God (King was waiting for Joyboy all along) is manifested in the flame behind their backs which gives them total immunity against attacks or something idk.
That is contradicted by the qualifier "almost"
Why was he scared when he is "invincible" in flame mode?
That statement was made after he called out for blocking in flame mode
Which does not dispute what I said. The fact that he ended up hitting flame off is irrelevant to the fact that he did not care about whether there was flames or not
Again, what does that prove. The two statements are even contradictory. You can't claim that a character is "almost invincible" when you don't think there's no way to damage such character.
Yes, it is not difficult. We just need to make sure we address the entire context of statements.
Saying just because Zoro did not hurt Flame On King on panel means he can't is like claiming that Whitebeard did not hurt Kizaru on panel so he can't.
Characters speak in absolute terms; Mihawk is the World's Strongest Man, Kaido is the World's strongest Creature, Whitebeard is the World's Strongest Man, Akainu has the highest offensive power of DF users. All these are absolute statements. Claiming that a qualified claim is semantics is just poor excuse.
Zoro has a reference point hence why he used the qualifier. And we know he has a reference point because he called King out for that very fact.
It is proof that King believes Zoro can hurt him which was further supported by King's statement "I realize the threat you represent"
Why was he scared when he is "invincible" in flame mode?
That statement was made after he called out for blocking in flame mode
Which does not dispute what I said. The fact that he ended up hitting flame off is irrelevant to the fact that he did not care about whether there was flames or not
Again, what does that prove. The two statements are even contradictory. You can't claim that a character is "almost invincible" when you don't think there's no way to damage such character.
Yes, it is not difficult. We just need to make sure we address the entire context of statements.
Saying just because Zoro did not hurt Flame On King on panel means he can't is like claiming that Whitebeard did not hurt Kizaru on panel so he can't.
Characters speak in absolute terms; Mihawk is the World's Strongest Man, Kaido is the World's strongest Creature, Whitebeard is the World's Strongest Man, Akainu has the highest offensive power of DF users. All these are absolute statements. Claiming that a qualified claim is semantics is just poor excuse.
Zoro has a reference point hence why he used the qualifier. And we know he has a reference point because he called King out for that very fact.
It is proof that King believes Zoro can hurt him which was further supported by King's statement "I realize the threat you represent"