[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

[Natalija]

One of those two is certainly scum. But I thought we're landing DA because he didn't mention the jail?

I'm going to sleep soon, I don't know how much time shall we still have. I might as well give you my info. But I wanted to hear @Reborn and @NeutralWatcher first :')

 

[Kiwipom]

One of those two is certainly scum. But I thought we're landing DA because he didn't mention the jail?

I'm going to sleep soon, I don't know how much time shall we still have. I might as well give you my info. But I wanted to hear @Reborn and @NeutralWatcher first :')

will you be able to wait until tomorrow morning if you think it can potentially be decisive?

 

[Natalija]

will you be able to wait until tomorrow morning if you think it can potentially be decisive?

As long as Dragomir doesn't speed up the day like before or something

 

[Kiwipom]

As long as Dragomir doesn't speed up the day like before or something

@Dragomir you heard her!!

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:attachpol::attachpol:

 

[Dragomir]

As long as Dragomir doesn't speed up the day like before or something

@Dragomir you heard her!!

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:attachpol::attachpol:

Leave me alone

 

[Kiwipom]

Leave me alone

I still have a bone to pic about last phase!

After going through like 30 pages and 10 mentions, I finally caught up and you ended the phase early!!

 

[Natalija]

Leave me alone

Oi! You got me into this mess, now bear with us! :smithnie:

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Can we post anything or what?

 

[Kiwipom]

Can we post anything or what?

welcome back to the game

yes, you can post since you're a player....

 

[Dark Admiral]

Hmmm, imagine waking to this:

Vote Lynch @Dark Admiral.

What do you have to say for yourself?

Oi, after the things you pulled the first day, no one should trust you.

I was Princess then, and I am Princess now.

Vote lynch Dark Admiral

hmm alright. Seems convincing.

I just don't think he is the cult leader per se tho.

Vote Lynch Dark Admiral

yes mam

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VOTE LYNCH DARK ADMIRAL

And the prime reason of me being a sus is cause I didn’t mention Jail..?? Like seriously..?? That would be outing myself imo. I thought it would put much pressure on scum faction as the night action of Prince is put on dark (no pun intended).
And it’s not my fault for getting subbed for another same role.. so I’ll not defend that.
As for my actions;
N1- TAC
N2- NW paladin
N3- Sera (his contributions towards TAC lynch made me think he could lead us to the victory)
And actually it’s Krogg’s mistake for not revealing his identity to me. Prince and Knight should go hand to hand. If he suspected me, he should have just put out the words. And if he didn’t he should have joined forces.
I’ll be out for sometime. Hope this will ease your mind. But is the chance of losing your possibly* only remaining NK worth the risk..??

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Hmmm, imagine waking to this:




And the prime reason of me being a sus is cause I didn’t mention Jail..?? Like seriously..?? That would be outing myself imo. I thought it would put much pressure on scum faction as the night action of Prince is put on dark (no pun intended).
And it’s not my fault for getting subbed for another same role.. so I’ll not defend that.
As for my actions;
N1- TAC
N2- NW paladin
N3- Sera (his contributions towards TAC lynch made me think he could lead us to the victory)
And actually it’s Krogg’s mistake for not revealing his identity to me. Prince and Knight should go hand to hand. If he suspected me, he should have just put out the words. And if he didn’t he should have joined forces.
I’ll be out for sometime. Hope this will ease your mind. But is the chance of losing your possibly* only remaining NK worth the risk..??

we dont believe there are two knight roles in play
the knight already died.

 

[Ena]

i used exhume on yo tan wa but didn't get anything
my guess is his tornado didn't affect exhume because it is a day ability

 

[Kiwipom]

I just thought about something. If a player was converted, they could always fake claim the role they were before conversion.

But if they were OG scum, they can’t fake claim without doubling up on a role as seen with TAC and his physician claim.

So this means out of Seraphoenix, Cinera and Dark Admiral, one of them is most likely is a cult leader, the other OG cult support and probably a townie

 

[Seraphoenix]

I just thought about something. If a player was converted, they could always fake claim the role they were before conversion.

But if they were OG scum, they can’t fake claim without doubling up on a role as seen with TAC and his physician claim.

So this means out of Seraphoenix, Cinera and Dark Admiral, one of them is most likely is a cult leader, the other OG cult support and probably a townie

What exactly is your case with me? Lanji already confirmed that there was one attack on Reborn N1. No one else besides me claimed an action on him then. Not only that but TAC had no action N2 because I roleblocked him. last night I even said I would use my ability to roleblock anyone who targeted me. So why did no one target me? If some of you think I am lying? What exactly did I have to gain by coming out and saying either there are two roles or Cinera is lying?

depending on your answer I might just kill you. Then you’ll know 100% I am the butler.

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I also don’t believe your story about that poem

 

[Reborn]

Good morning. Too much complexity going on in just few pages.

Anyway, I am here to address four key points.

1) my claim - I was not Role blocked on N1 nor I had targeted Nat on any of the night so far.


2) Duplication of roles - yesterday I asked kiwi and krog about possibility of duplication of roles. Based on past experience, the possibility is slim. Now why I said slim?

Because host has to maintain balance within game mechanics. If a game theme has wide variety of abilties to be used, then duplication of roles isn't possible.

But,There are certain roles which can be duplicated but there are certain roles which can't.

Less powerful roles like doctor or cop can be duplicated in one form or other. Chances are less but they can.

However, powerful roles such as anti Town killing roles like jailor or other important roles like Mayor can't be duplicated because they are powerful and having more than one such role disturb game mechanics.

However, ultimately decision lies on host so can't be sure but probability of Powerful roles being duplicated is next to zero.

In short, probablity of having two butler and two knights are really really low especially when we had no duplication of physician.

Sorting duplication of roles mess would be my priority.

3)cinera vs yo tan wa - I was survivor with ability to switch in last game. Based on my Convo with noctis in last game, if player A is swapped with player B, then action performed on player A will be performed on player B and vice versa.

So, if we assume that cinera role blocked krog and yo tan wa switched krog and himself then logically, it should be yo tan wa who should have been roleblocked and not krog. So either yo tan wa is lying about switching himself with krog or cinera is lying.

4) Neutrals - this game has 20 players and it started with 2 cult members as per wiki. So based on balancing the game mechanics, this game should feature 3-4 Neutrals and to make it balance generally Neutrals of different types could be featured.

So, if we assume there are four Neutrals then what we know for sure is

TAC - killer type Neutral

lanji - support type Neutral

so, if we assume there are two more neutrals then based on my understanding combination goes like this

1) either alchemist or investigative type Neutral

2) either social or offensive type Neutral (because we already have confirmed support and killer type Neutral).
Now host can take different route but generally it should be like this but we already have indication of sells word (offensive)and fool (social) possibility which doesn't add up to my understanding.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Did this work? @Yo Tan Wa can you confirm with @Dragomir that this worked? Drago has never given me any feedback on my actions, so we can't know if actions worked or not (outside passives). The resolution order also matters. If YTW switched with Krog and my RB hit YTW instead of Krog, it can't retroactively affect the previous switch as the switch is why my RB hit YTW in the first place.

i already did bt for some reason bt you don't believe me. I stated wrong when i read Wolf was Redirection immune and i got an clarification from Dragomir, which in a way also confirms the Redirection worked and the way his words were worded there's no room for doubt. Like i said in my previous post, Wolf wasn't immune to being switched with my Tornado as Dragomir stated to me.

And i confirmed with Dragomir i wouldn't get role Block info(in such situation).

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE I remember there were 3 attacks on me so Cult had 3 killing action.

And now Cult also had 3 killing action(2 on Natalija and 1 on Krogothwolf, it was supposed to be on Yo Tan Wa but Yo Tan Wa switched himself with Krogothwolf)

@Yo Tan Wa @Natalija Who did you two yesterday? Cult might felt threatedned because you sus the right person.

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Edit: Who did you two sus yesterday?

i openly pushed DA n Tac, so DA remains.

one of the actions was an invest from nat
its was a mind warp incase you investigated a townie
I have a feeling the last one was to kill you

am thinking two cult actions against you n2.

i also think it must have been the Mind wrap on Nat.

Last day i claimed i would Empower NW, so using Mind Wrap on NW was futile and usually when players go with same claimed actions so they aren't sussed the next day, hence i was sure NW wouldn't be tried converting or Mind wrapping bt could be Killed hence asked for protection on him. And other possibility was they would come at me with Kill action which honestly what i wanted or hoping for.
So If NW was Mind warp immune, Nat was another Investigative role so she must have been the Target of this ability.

We had a kill on N3

Which means when Lanji protected NW it was a convert night. So most likely, 3rd action was a convert.

bt can Cult kill and Convert same night?

Also i claimed i Clear Mind NW, so supposedly he was immune to Conversion, even if they tried Converting i think they would do it with another Target and not NW.

And Lanji protected Nat from two attacks. @LANJI CUCKSMOKE couldn't one of em be BD ability on Nat? Or it could be conversion.

i used exhume on yo tan wa but didn't get anything
my guess is his tornado didn't affect exhume because it is a day ability

Make sense.

I just thought about something. If a player was converted, they could always fake claim the role they were before conversion.

But if they were OG scum, they can’t fake claim without doubling up on a role as seen with TAC and his physician claim.

So this means out of Seraphoenix, Cinera and Dark Admiral, one of them is most likely is a cult leader, the other OG cult support and probably a townie

Since Cult can share info with each other Can't they help each other? Like less suss members can help major sus role claim their original role?
Tho so far only duplicates Roles have been mentioned. So it hasn't happened yet.

I also think two scum can claim the same role and wouldn't push each other. Lynching one would remain sus on other player for some time.

 

[Kiwipom]

What exactly is your case with me? Lanji already confirmed that there was one attack on Reborn N1. No one else besides me claimed an action on him then. Not only that but TAC had no action N2 because I roleblocked him. last night I even said I would use my ability to roleblock anyone who targeted me. So why did no one target me? If some of you think I am lying? What exactly did I have to gain by coming out and saying either there are two roles or Cinera is lying?

depending on your answer I might just kill you. Then you’ll know 100% I am the butler.

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I also don’t believe your story about that poem

I suspect both you and Cinera because I don’t think there can be more than one butler. And I don’t understand why you didn’t put Cinera as prime suspect or vice versa because to me, my natural prime suspect would be someone who claimed the same role as me, therefore, they’re lying.

And between you and Cinera, I thought that Cinera’s response by pointing out that Krogo was hinting at himself as Prince to be pretty compelling because if scum targeted Yo Tan Wa and not Krogo, he didn’t have to try and justify it. And he also threatened me about poisoning yesterday too.

On the contrary, I also think he was suspicious for trying to roleblock someone he believed to be Prince. Claiming until in dire need. And not really trying to lynch you even after you contested his claim.

You on the other hand, have been inactive. If you were cult and tried to convert Reborn D1, you could of been blocked by Lanji too. There is no saying what type of action it was that you performed - assuming it was you who performed something.

so my only question is between you and Cinera, who is lying? One is a town and the other is OG cult.

And what don’t you believe about my poem?
I felt like writing it so I did.
We are an artistic bunch at the WG literary club.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I was not Role blocked on N1

So either you or Sera is lying.

Lanji says some ability was used on you N1.

3)cinera vs yo tan wa - I was survivor with ability to switch in last game. Based on my Convo with noctis in last game, if player A is swapped with player B, then action performed on player A will be performed on player B and vice versa.

So, if we assume that cinera role blocked krog and yo tan wa switched krog and himself then logically, it should be yo tan wa who should have been roleblocked and not krog. So either yo tan wa is lying about switching himself with krog or cinera is lying.

But how am i role blocked once my ability i.e Redirection has already been used?

Did you think through it enough? Or was just eager to throw sus Reborn?

it should be yo tan wa who should have been roleblocked and not krog.

also where did you get the impression one of us was stating Krogo got Role Blocked even after Redirection? That it would mean one of us is lying?

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i already did bt for some reason bt you don't believe me. I stated wrong when i read Wolf was Redirection immune and i got an clarification from Dragomir, which in a way also confirms the Redirection worked and the way his words were worded there's no room for doubt. Like i said in my previous post, Wolf wasn't immune to being switched with my Tornado as Dragomir stated to me.

And i confirmed with Dragomir i wouldn't get role Block info(in such situation).
i openly pushed DA n Tac, so DA remains.
i also think it must have been the Mind wrap on Nat.

Last day i claimed i would Empower NW, so using Mind Wrap on NW was futile and usually when players go with same claimed actions so they aren't sussed the next day, hence i was sure NW wouldn't be tried converting or Mind wrapping bt could be Killed hence asked for protection on him. And other possibility was they would come at me with Kill action which honestly what i wanted or hoping for.
So If NW was Mind warp immune, Nat was another Investigative role so she must have been the Target of this ability.
bt can Cult kill and Convert same night?

Also i claimed i Clear Mind NW, so supposedly he was immune to Conversion, even if they tried Converting i think they would do it with another Target and not NW.

And Lanji protected Nat from two attacks. @LANJI CUCKSMOKE couldn't one of em be BD ability on Nat? Or it could be conversion.

Make sense.


Since Cult can share info with each other Can't they help each other? Like less suss members can help major sus role claim their original role?
Tho so far only duplicates Roles have been mentioned. So it hasn't happened yet.

I also think two scum can claim the same role and wouldn't push each other. Lynching one would remain sus on other player for some time.

Remove sus*

 

[Reborn]

So either you or Sera is lying.

Lanji says some ability was used on you N1.



But how am i role blocked once my ability i.e Redirection has already been used?

Did you think through it enough? Or was just eager to throw sus Reborn?

also where did you get the impression one of us was stating Krogo got Role Blocked even after Redirection? That it would mean one of us is lying?

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Remove sus*

Why are you getting defensive? I simply stated what I understand about an ability.

I simply said that based on my understanding of how switch works in last game, that's how it was suppose to be.

If your abilties are slightly different then I don't know but based on my last game experience that's what I understood.

Also, I didn't get any notification of being role blocked on N1. There is no lying about it. So I don't know how you reached to the conclusion that either me or sera is lying?

 

[Dark Admiral]

we dont believe there are two knight roles in play
the knight already died.

So are you saying the towns has been stripped of all the night killing roles..?? I don’t think any other player has that kind of ability to kill. Even paladin kills the one they targeted them and their targets.

I just thought about something. If a player was converted, they could always fake claim the role they were before conversion.

But if they were OG scum, they can’t fake claim without doubling up on a role as seen with TAC and his physician claim.

So this means out of Seraphoenix, Cinera and Dark Admiral, one of them is most likely is a cult leader, the other OG cult support and probably a townie

I’m no cult leader. I’m the knight, always had been and always will be.
Anyone’s not gonna suspect the sync in our Butlers ..?? They’re both calm on their counter claims. I remember Queen and TaC’s case was whole lot different. And also Cinera’s vote on me out of the blue for just not confirming my imprisonment..
if anything we should go after them. Still have a prime sus on Sera since day 1. Just protected him last night thinking he might actually help the town. If you guys have any more reasons to sus me please feel free to question me. And not just waste the day lynching another Knight/ BD which is going to be me again..