One Piece Episode 1061 - The Strike of an Ifrit! Sanji vs. Queen

[ZenZu]

Nah, its just that people are being revisionist as hell here.

People were incredibly Lukewarm around the finishers for the next two fights due to them being incredibly busy spreads which didn't let the impact of the attacks breathe, and generally looking a bit messy.

I don't see why departing from something that was so messy and quite difficult to read to something that has a better flow that improves the storytelling, and adds a ton of cool lines and character moments is a down grade at all.

The anime overall was definitely better than the manga when it came to the fight, heck even when it came to IJ, however doesn't mean it was perfect. They botched the impact of the powerup for no reason.

There was no reason for IJ to get laughed off by Queen, everything could have been kept the same but Queen should have reacted like Jyabura did after DJ (wanting no parts of IJ) if they did want to keep Queen's cocky dialogue. When IJ was busted out in the manga every hit had Queen seeing the gates to hell, didn't have the luxury to even think about anything let alone run his mouth. You would think the anime team could expand on that, instead of making it look like DJ, resulting in an abrupt end to the fight.

 

[BillSlipton]

What are you saying bro? the explosion was bigger in the anime

Bro what😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the explosion didn't even go down the hall. Let alone out the side of the skull. Just dust clouds. Not fire

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Yeah, nah, I don't think I missed the point of the development and the fight at all, especially since I'm not the one talking about fucking temperature and shit lol, lmao.

And again, Sanji still very clearly entered a new level where he went from barely matching up to Queen to actually completely outclassing him in close quarters, which is something he wasn't really doing at all earlier in the fight.

But also, yes, the anime does a better job than the manga of touching on and explictly aknowledging critcisms of the idea that Ifrit is still technically a germa power, but its how Sanji chooses to define himself that really matters.

This goes beyond just the raid suit, and its an area the manga is sort of lacking.

Its why Zoro-stans make fun of sanji for rejecting Germa, but still ultimately winning with the help of his germa genes.(those Zoro stans are dumb, but it does show that Oda didn't really acknowledge that too much in the manga itself).

The anime just expands upon that greatly.

Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but Ifrit Janbe still sent Queen flying than any other attack lol.


Why are you even watching the story if the only shit you care about is fucking power scaling.

And Queen was very clearly defeated by that final Boefe burst. Hell, the anime makes it more immediately explicitly clear than the manga did in chapter 1034 by highlighting Queen getting annihilated by the intensity of the attack before being sent flying away as opposed to just getting blown away.

You're a clown😂😂😂

Ifrits not a germa power. He'd eventually use ifrit with strong enough haki.

His fire has never once been implied to be a germa power. The point of the fight was to overcome his family and also queens expectations of a cold hearted germa warrior. To show that his passion is what will win instead of the raid suit and germa.

"Luffy do you prefer the me that can't hit woman?"

You did miss the point. You're actually dumb and I feel bad that you refuse to open your mind to differing opinions. What I've pointed out is valid. The Temps of the flames aren't my issue. My issue is the downplay of sanji all around. If it was one or two things... I wouldn't care.

I do wish they didnt ruin his acoc parralel with luffy and zoro

 

[ConquistadoR]

Bro what😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the explosion didn't even go down the hall. Let alone out the side of the skull. Just dust clouds. Not fire

What if... what you thought was an explosion was always a huge dust cloud... even in the manga...

 

[BillSlipton]

What if... what you thought was an explosion was always a huge dust cloud... even in the manga...

There's another chapter showcasing the explosion from another angle

It's definitely an explosion.

Any evidence its a moutain sized dust cloud?😂 like how would it ever be that big lmao

 

[Mackiss]

There's another chapter showcasing the explosion from another angle

It's definitely an explosion.

Any evidence its a moutain sized dust cloud?😂 like how would it ever be that big lmao

That was definitely just dust cloud due to impact destruction, not a fire explosion.

 

[BillSlipton]

That was definitely just dust cloud due to impact destruction, not a fire explosion.

Ok

 

[JoNdule]

bro stop alread lol we know u get paid by anime team

Lol
Jazz is either paid by Viz/ShoneJump/Toei to defend anime episodes or he's just one of those guys who will defend Toei at any cost.

 

[mrtsrdr]

 

[BigAmmi]

I want 1064 right now

it should be very hilarious lol

 

[JazzMazz]

I want 1064 right now

it should be very hilarious lol

1064 probably won't be the best.

We don't know the full staff list, but Tokoro is typically a director and storyboarder carried by his animators. At best we'd end up with something lik 1025 or 1040, which were carried by the animation talent on them.

 

[Lurko]

 

[BattalGazi]

Good episode but two things are meh:

1) I prefer the conclusion in the manga

There, Sanji didn't let Queen have only 1 sec of opening and the last attack was more epic

2) There is a mistake. Because in the Manga Queen was kicked in the sky first. Oda did that to empathize more the incredible offensive power of Sanji. Here in the anime Queen only fell from the island. In the manga his K.O position was more higher.

It was a clean finish in the manga, Queen never fall and first attack surpassed the limit of his endurance. At that point all Sanji did was beating a crying bitch and then send him flying. There is also no lightning at all, not even mentioning kick was a back kick. Sometimes i wonder why is Oda letting that shit go on but i guess he doesn't have much choice cause even in live action drama he endures it while getting annoyed.

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It downplayed sanjis actual strength and took away from each of his power ups.

Sanji is physically stronger than shown. He didn't kick queen to the edge of onigashima he kicked him above and beyond into the fucking stratosphere

His Temps are downplayed with no lightning. His coc /= parralel with luffy and zoro was destroyed with that "choice."

His super speed is downplayed by having queen react to it at all. They also animated it shittily. It's not accurate to the manga.

Queen was in the middle of a blitz. And then sanji blitzed him. The anime did a shit job showing this.


Ifrit destroyed Queen. In the anime queen laughs his attacks off without a scratch.

You're fucking stupid. Stop defending garbage just because it looked pretty. Sanjis strengths all around were under represented or outright wrong.

Sanji in the manga looks twice as strong as the anime. And that's a fact. Queen was obliterated. Fuck your emotional scene. We don't need a 4th reiteration of the same shit that was already overcome.

The author had sanji overcome queens/judges ideology when he destroyed the rs and faced queens vinsmoke powers. That was the authors narrative decision. It didn't need more.

However I wouldn't have hated on a "little bit more." If the placement was better. You don't have queen eat 20 ifrit attack without a scratch just to laugh at sanji.

Ifrit was supposed to represent a new level. That he was beyond judge and even queen. That through his passion he could create his own power strong enough to surpass the limitation of a cold hearted machine.

You missed the point of the development and fight. You're not a real fan. Stop trying to tell me I'm wrong. You're wrong and delusional as fuck. People are telling you why they're unsatisfied. Heed them.

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Forgot to mentiont that ifrit left an explosion the size of a moutain that expanded to almost half the horn.

That's called underselling sanji

Yeah Toei did Sanji wrong again but nice catch of that exit hole i never noticed it, also with Sanjis kicking speed Queen would fly with the speed of sound.

 

[BillSlipton]

Noone cared about the emotional stuff. We wanted to see ifrit as it was and sanji sending queen flying through the skies . You are just making the stuff up with thematics. The animes emphasis was mainly on the fucking germa gene activation whiles oda was tryna move pass that. As I said, leave the ending the way it was and shit would not have changed . Imagine queen eating 8 ifrit attacks getting back up and taken no damage . And being defeated by ring out . Yikes

And he's telling me I'm wrong for saying the same shit😂

It was a clean finish in the manga, Queen never fall and first attack surpassed the limit of his endurance. At that point all Sanji did was beating a crying bitch and then send him flying. There is also no lightning at all, not even mentioning kick was a back kick. Sometimes i wonder why is Oda letting that shit go on but i guess he doesn't have much choice cause even in live action drama he endures it while getting annoyed.

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Yeah Toei did Sanji wrong again but nice catch of that exit hole i never noticed it, also with Sanjis kicking speed Queen would fly with the speed of sound.

That goes to show sanjis area of effect is huge. That exit hole is comparable in size to the surrounding mountains.

Do you think aokiji is eating that blast clean? Lmao

 

[BattalGazi]

I love how people simply can't enjoy stuff without dick comparings.

Shut the f--k up, if dragon gone with one halfling punch in Lotr that Tolkien would turn in his grave. All our complains are about sticking to the original material.

 

[JazzMazz]

Shut the f--k up, if dragon gone with one halfling punch in Lotr that Tolkien would turn in his grave. All our complains are about sticking to the original material.

Those are dumb complaints, especially since the spirit of the material still remains largely the same and is even improved on in terms of storytelling.

 

[BillSlipton]

Those are dumb complaints, especially since the spirit of the material still remains largely the same and is even improved on in terms of storytelling.

Are you paid by Toei?

You're either hired to defend them or you're a clown. No in-between. Accept valid criticism or stop arguing. There's no point in lying about what we can all see with our own eyes.

You stopped replying because I pointed out the exact flaws I had seen and you could not refute them.

Go somewhere dude

 

[JazzMazz]

Are you paid by Toei?

You're either hired to defend them or you're a clown. No in-between. Accept valid criticism or stop arguing. There's no point in lying about what we can all see with our own eyes.

You stopped replying because I pointed out the exact flaws I had seen and you could not refute them.

Go somewhere dude

No, I just like One Piece a lot, and this was just a massive improvement on the source material, which had the sprinkles interesting stuff, but was held back from being truly great due to Oda's usual issues with panelling and the such.

The ones being clownish here are the guys literally using power-scaling as an evaluation of a scenes quality.

None of your flaws matter because they're all based on the most dog shit "its different from the manga and therefore bad" reasoning.

Okay, its different from the manga, how is that worse?

Its not as abrupt as the manga? It lets things breathe more than the manga? Its that necessarily worse?

If so, how?

Does the manga actually do the things your saying it does either?

Your not actually engaging with the episode for the most part, your just engaging with "it doesn't have lightning, therefore bad", or "why do we get a pov shot of Sanji's speed when he is invisible"?

Or, "Queen didn't have enough burn marks", or "Queen didn't fly out vertically".

None of those are real critiques about the actual content of the fight. They are unimportant superificial deviations that don't really engage with how those things are executed.

Also, I have lobbied critiques at this episode in prior points. I think the second half overall is significantly stronger than the first, with the first relying quite heavily on a number of flashbacks that did slow it down more than necessary.

 

[BillSlipton]

No, I just like One Piece a lot, and this was just a massive improvement on the source material, which had the sprinkles interesting stuff, but was held back from being truly great due to Oda's usual issues with panelling and the such.

The ones being clownish here are the guys literally using power-scaling as an evaluation of a scenes quality.

None of your flaws matter because they're all based on the most dog shit "its different from the manga and therefore bad" reasoning.

Okay, its different from the manga, how is that worse?

Its not as abrupt as the manga? It lets things breathe more than the manga? Its that necessarily worse?

If so, how?

Does the manga actually do the things your saying it does either?

Your not actually engaging with the episode for the most part, your just engaging with "it doesn't have lightning, therefore bad", or "why do we get a pov shot of Sanji's speed when he is invisible"?

Or, "Queen didn't have enough burn marks", or "Queen didn't fly out vertically".

None of those are real critiques about the actual content of the fight. They are unimportant superificial deviations that don't really engage with how those things are executed.

Also, I have lobbied critiques at this episode in prior points. I think the second half overall is significantly stronger than the first, with the first relying quite heavily on a number of flashbacks that did slow it down more than necessary.

It's not accurately representing the main subject of the episode. Sanji and his new strengths. That's the issue. That's what you aren't getting.

We aren't criticizing any of the fucking shit you mentioned. We don't care about the breathability. We don't care about that.

My question is how it's not a valid or real criticism?
Criticism is usually subjective to some extent depending on the topic. If the topic was the animation then we could use the parameters set in place already. We know what's required for it to be considered good.

But what you can't say isn't valid, is someone's criticism based on their own opinions. There's no set parameters. You're a clown for trying yo argue this.

But tbh everything I pointed out in our debate before were things that are easily improvements compared to the animes version.

Do you not agree that the episode would have been better if these complaints were fixed? All visual effects only. I like the last quip from queen. But it should've been done after 1 or 2 ifrit attacks. not 20.

Tbh tho you're downplaying and misrepresenting the complaints. It wasn't that queen didn't launch vertically. Its that the anime failed to portray sanjis full power.

Did you like how the anime ruined the lightning/acoc parralel with luffy and zoro?

Also why did you ignore my point in our previous debate about how the fight was sanji overcoming queen/judges ideas and using his own passion to strengthen his flames instead of relying germa?

That was the point of destroying the rs and saying " luffy, do you prefer the me that can't hit a woman? Or a cold hearted warrior of science?"



The point is. Under representing the strength of an mc who's literally supposed to be displaying his full strength... is a bad choice. And that's what toei did. This is a battle manga/anime. To make the character look weaker than the original source would be the worst decision ever. But its toei. Not surprising tho.

You can say that's not what happened. But it did. We are telling you how and why. Accept it. It can't be spelled out any clearer unless I took you into the manga and made you watch it and then had you watch the anime. Sanji looks twice as strong in the manga. Even if the anime made ifrit jambe look good

 

[BattalGazi]

It's not accurately representing the main subject of the episode. Sanji and his new strengths. That's the issue. That's what you aren't getting.

We aren't criticizing any of the fucking shit you mentioned. We don't care about the breathability. We don't care about that.

My question is how it's not a valid or real criticism?
Criticism is usually subjective to some extent depending on the topic. If the topic was the animation then we could use the parameters set in place already. We know what's required for it to be considered good.

But what you can't say isn't valid, is someone's criticism based on their own opinions. There's no set parameters. You're a clown for trying yo argue this.

But tbh everything I pointed out in our debate before were things that are easily improvements compared to the animes version.

Do you not agree that the episode would have been better if these complaints were fixed? All visual effects only. I like the last quip from queen. But it should've been done after 1 or 2 ifrit attacks. not 20.

Tbh tho you're downplaying and misrepresenting the complaints. It wasn't that queen didn't launch vertically. Its that the anime failed to portray sanjis full power.

Did you like how the anime ruined the lightning/acoc parralel with luffy and zoro?

Also why did you ignore my point in our previous debate about how the fight was sanji overcoming queen/judges ideas and using his own passion to strengthen his flames instead of relying germa?

That was the point of destroying the rs and saying " luffy, do you prefer the me that can't hit a woman? Or a cold hearted warrior of science?"



The point is. Under representing the strength of an mc who's literally supposed to be displaying his full strength... is a bad choice. And that's what toei did. This is a battle manga/anime. To make the character look weaker than the original source would be the worst decision ever. But its toei. Not surprising tho.

You can say that's not what happened. But it did. We are telling you how and why. Accept it. It can't be spelled out any clearer unless I took you into the manga and made you watch it and then had you watch the anime. Sanji looks twice as strong in the manga. Even if the anime made ifrit jambe look good

They still make Sanji spin for Diable jambe while he quit that after time skip and i am not mentioning him lighting up his other leg since he don't spin for it. Even that example shows toei is biased towards Sanji and not reading manga right, a characters strenght is also part of him.

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No, I just like One Piece a lot, and this was just a massive improvement on the source material, which had the sprinkles interesting stuff, but was held back from being truly great due to Oda's usual issues with panelling and the such.

The ones being clownish here are the guys literally using power-scaling as an evaluation of a scenes quality.

None of your flaws matter because they're all based on the most dog shit "its different from the manga and therefore bad" reasoning.

Okay, its different from the manga, how is that worse?

Its not as abrupt as the manga? It lets things breathe more than the manga? Its that necessarily worse?

If so, how?

Does the manga actually do the things your saying it does either?

Your not actually engaging with the episode for the most part, your just engaging with "it doesn't have lightning, therefore bad", or "why do we get a pov shot of Sanji's speed when he is invisible"?

Or, "Queen didn't have enough burn marks", or "Queen didn't fly out vertically".

None of those are real critiques about the actual content of the fight. They are unimportant superificial deviations that don't really engage with how those things are executed.

Also, I have lobbied critiques at this episode in prior points. I think the second half overall is significantly stronger than the first, with the first relying quite heavily on a number of flashbacks that did slow it down more than necessary.

If a anime company can't do right to mangaka and draw different panels i will not support them. Do you have no respect for the auhor what kind of Bit-h you are, if they want to draw their own mqnga they should just do it.

 

[RYNO]

Did they really need have sanji spin, the ending still has the problem that toei has had for very long time they can't make moments quick and hit hard.