Speculations Can Akainu vaporize mountains with his magma and haki?

Sir Tuna Sandwich II

Sir Tuna Sandwich II

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Sasaki Kojirō said:
A conscious Kaido with the ability to use Haki would have come out of this basically unscathed, considering the fact that he can envelop himself in special dragon flames that reach such high temperatures that they can vaporize things upon contact. There is indeed a reason why Oda chose to have Kaido revert to his "Base" form before falling into the magma, but that doesn't invalidate my argument. Kaido can literally emerge unharmed from an explosion of this level below.



The combination of Kaido's coating and scales is truly difficult to break through.
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Bruh, a punch from Goofy broke his defense lmao
 
Moegara

Moegara

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SkySanji said:
It doesn't matter what tier Zoro is, you're comparing incomparable characters, Akainu isn't a swordsman that cuts shit, and again, cutting something in half isn't even a fraction as impressive as vaporizing it, that's extremely basic.

That's not how it works at all, Ace and Sabo have never shown blue flames like Sanji has, at best you can say the magma fruit has the potential to be capable of it, but that's as relevant as saying Fujitora has the potential to create a black hole or bring down the moon.
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The blue flames thing is fine for trolling fandoms and such but don't bring it up seriously.

The color of the flames doesn't mean anything in this series, unless you want to argue Sanji finally reached Pearl's level.
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And no, vaporizing the horn isn't more impressive than cutting it, it's simply different, precisely because they're using different powersets. Magma vaporizes, a cut slashes, AoE is still a comparable value.
 
SkySanji

SkySanji

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Moegara said:
The blue flames thing is fine for trolling fandoms and such but don't bring it up seriously.

The color of the flames doesn't mean anything in this series, unless you want to argue Sanji finally reached Pearl's level.
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Sanji's blue flames clearly aren't just a color aesthetic though, and I have no idea what you're talking about with Pearl, though I'm guessing you're confusing the anime with the manga.

Regardless my point stands, Akainu having the magma fruit doesn't automatically mean he can do everything every other magma user can, a devil fruit is only as strong as it's user at the end of the day, or would you say that a newborn baby with Akainu's fruit would have just as potent magma as Akainu himself does? I doubt it.
 
Moegara

Moegara

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SkySanji said:
Sanji's blue flames clearly aren't just a color aesthetic though, and I have no idea what you're talking about with Pearl, though I'm guessing you're confusing the anime with the manga.

Regardless my point stands, Akainu having the magma fruit doesn't automatically mean he can do everything every other magma user can, a devil fruit is only as strong as it's user at the end of the day, or would you say that a newborn baby with Akainu's fruit would have just as potent magma as Akainu himself does? I doubt it.
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Do you believe Akainu is not a top tier?
 
Moegara

Moegara

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SkySanji said:
He's a top tier, still a good bit weaker than Kaido though.
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And I never claimed he's stronger than Kaido, I think I actually said otherwise, doesn't mean his magma will be inferior to Kaido's, just like Zoro is weaker than KAido but his swordsmanship is stronger than Kaido's, and just like Sanji's Ifrit can possibly (unconfirmed) kick harder than Sabo but he still won't have better fire feats than he does regardless of colors.
 
comrade

comrade

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Not as easily as Kaido. Ace, who was the personification of fire, could engulf a portion of an island with his fire using Entei. And as far as AoE goes, the Mera shouldn't be behind Akainu's magma, possibly even above, as fire due to its texture spreads faster than a heavy, viscous element like Magma.

Yet, Kaido dwarfed that feat. Just instantly turning into an island sized magma-like serpent that can melt down islands with his breath. What makes his Blazing Bagua so dangerous is, that it's a combination of the properties of fire and magma. Solid and viscous like Magma, yet spreading rapidly like fire.
 
SkySanji

SkySanji

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Moegara said:
And I never claimed he's stronger than Kaido, I think I actually said otherwise, doesn't mean his magma will be inferior to Kaido's, just like Zoro is weaker than KAido but his swordsmanship is stronger than Kaido's, and just like Sanji's Ifrit can possibly (unconfirmed) kick harder than Sabo but he still won't have better fire feats than he does regardless of colors.
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I never claimed that you claimed Kaido is weaker than Akainu.

Akainu having the magma fruit doesn't automatically mean his magma is superior to everyone elses, even a character that is stronger than him.

Kaido has the better feats, vaporizing most of the horn and even being capable of vaporizing a G5 Luffy that's coated in CoA and ACoC.

It's complete headcanon to say Akainu can replicate Kaido's feats.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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Moegara said:
There is none, it's just magma under the night sky.
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So basically, could we say that Kaidou's flames are like magma? This could symbolize that the flames of a mythical dragon, at least the ones Kaidou produced, have a different coloration from his regular breath of heat. These flames have pigmentation and, when compared to the natural disaster caused by a volcanic eruption, they have no difference.
 
Moegara

Moegara

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Sasaki Kojirō said:
So basically, could we say that Kaidou's flames are like magma? This could symbolize that the flames of a mythical dragon, at least the ones Kaidou produced, have a different coloration from his regular breath of heat. These flames have pigmentation and, when compared to the natural disaster caused by a volcanic eruption, they have no difference.
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Yes, it's similar to King's (in the manga as well). I don't remember the exact wording but Zoro thinks to himself that King's flames during the later part of his fight "are extremely dangerous and just like magma", unlike King's usual flames that are just that, fire.

It seems like Oda believes magma is a step above fire, so a fire that becomes strong enough gets magma-like properties.
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SkySanji said:
I never claimed that you claimed Kaido is weaker than Akainu.

Akainu having the magma fruit doesn't automatically mean his magma is superior to everyone elses, even a character that is stronger than him.

Kaido has the better feats, vaporizing most of the horn and even being capable of vaporizing a G5 Luffy that's coated in CoA and ACoC.

It's complete headcanon to say Akainu can replicate Kaido's feats.
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If Kaido's magma was his main ability in some way, like it is for Akainu, I would agree, but for now I believe it's a matter of time until Akainu gets proper updated feats and shows what he's truly capable of when serious.

If Kaido surpassed Akainu in magma that would be too much of a random humiliation to the character and to his logia ability. I'd go as far as to say that is not how Oda operates.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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Moegara said:
Yes, it's similar to King's (in the manga as well). I don't remember the exact wording but Zoro thinks to himself that King's flames during the later part of his fight "are extremely dangerous and just like magma", unlike King's usual flames that are just that, fire.

It seems like Oda believes magma is a step above fire, so a fire that becomes strong enough gets magma-like properties.
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Yes, it is possible that the substance produced by Kaidou and King resembles magma to such an extent that someone like Zoro would say it is like magma. This suggests that the temperatures of both substances are close to that of magma. In other words, the fact that it closely resembles magma to the point where Zoro makes that comparison implies that the temperature is indeed near that of magma, or even equal.

So, I would say that, for now, magma may be superior to the usual flames, but it is debatable whether it surpasses the final attack of King and Kaidou in terms of temperature.
 
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Cruxroux

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Sasaki Kojirō said:
Actually, I'll be honest, I never understood the difference between what Kaidou produced here and this explosion below; they both seem to have the same appearance, the same pigmentation, etc...

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To me it was like. he took all the flame clouds and increased it's temperature to the level of magma , forming a susanoo type around him.
Still even I couldn't understand whether this was a defensive stance or offensive.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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Cruxroux said:
To me it was like. he took all the flame clouds and increased it's temperature to the level of magma , forming a susanoo type around him.
Still even I couldn't understand whether this was a defensive stance or offensive.
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Yes, he generated these substances from his mouth and then covered himself with them using his manipulation, and to me, it's like you said, their temperature is equal to that of magma to the point where there is no difference in appearance.
 
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