Powers & Abilities Why is FS so overratted

[Eustass]

If it's better than that îs not sayin much.


Katakuri was great because of logia+ FS+coa+strength+Speed combo that work well together.


Fs alone îs zero.

I was not arguing your conclusion, im arguing against your premise.

You said FS was worse than CoA because FS needs other powers for you to be able to fight, while CoA ups your base stats basically. Thats obviously not a valid point. That is why i said the SMILE, because it ups base stats yet its piss compared to FS.

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Was said to be logia at first but then changed to paramecia in volume release. Still works Like logia. Call IT zoan all i care, still works Like logia

Works like logia because FS CAN SEE THE FUTURE.

 

[stealthblack]

I was not arguing your conclusion, im arguing your premise.

You said FS was worse than CoA because FS needs other powers for you to be able to fight, while CoA ups your base stats basically. Thats obviously not a valid point. That is why i said the SMILE, because it ups base stats yet its piss compared to FS.

Coa ups your stats beyond anything else. Smiley doesn't get to be logia weakness, wreck You from inside Like gamma knife, shield, any df weakness, armor, weapon harder then anything. Smiley boost îs light compared to coa. And Smiley user can beat fs user If the fs user has some early pre TS villain stats Like Don krieg

 

[critical mindset]

he told hyogoro 3 moves ahead of his opponent
I dont know what else you guys need to see to have luffy "confirm" his fs

Yeah but he hasn’t shown a level to where he can quote what you’re gonna say word for word - yet. He hasn’t down that yet. That I think is a unique ability, takes shit long of training to do that. The part where they finish each others sentences, Kata sees what he is gonna say word for word, but Luffy “senses” what he is gonna say but not word for word. It’s like when my (ex) girlfriend told me something in a certain kind of voice to do something, I could start “sensing” whether she was affectionate in saying it or if she said it in a manipulative-bitch kind of way. It’s like spider senses. Luffy has extremely good spider senses. He could sense the “intent” of what Katakuri was gonna say, not verbatim word for word kind of way

 

[stealthblack]

I was not arguing your conclusion, im arguing against your premise.

You said FS was worse than CoA because FS needs other powers for you to be able to fight, while CoA ups your base stats basically. Thats obviously not a valid point. That is why i said the SMILE, because it ups base stats yet its piss compared to FS.

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Works like logia because FS CAN SEE THE FUTURE.

Katakuri can transform into mochi and Dodge attack even without fs. Fs îs to see coa attacks to Dodge Like how admirals logia can Dodge coa attacks

 

[critical mindset]

Katakuri can transform into mochi and Dodge attack even without fs. Fs îs to see coa attacks to Dodge Like how admirals logia can Dodge coa attacks

to me it didn’t seem as if they were dodging. Akainu seemed vexed by the attack, and Aokiji seemed perplexed. Kuri shows extreme equanimity when he blocks. It’s a clear difference to my eye. They blocked with their latent CoA, that’s my take on the situation

 

[Eustass]

Coa ups your stats beyond anything else. Smiley doesn't get to be logia weakness, wreck You from inside Like gamma knife, shield, any df weakness, armor, weapon harder then anything. Smiley boost îs light compared to coa. And Smiley user can beat fs user If the fs user has some early pre TS villain stats Like Don krieg

As i said your POINT was INVALID. Not your conclusion? Jez.

 

[stealthblack]

to me it didn’t seem as if they were dodging. Akainu seemed vexed by the attack, and Aokiji seemed perplexed. Kuri shows extreme equanimity when he blocks. It’s a clear difference to my eye. They blocked with their latent CoA, that’s my take on the situation

Attack went trough them, șo they got cut but they knew where he would hit and make empty space there, îs my take

 

[WesMidnight]

Yeah but he hasn’t shown a level to where he can quote what you’re gonna say word for word - yet. He hasn’t down that yet. That I think is a unique ability, takes shit long of training to do that. The part where they finish each others sentences, Kata sees what he is gonna say word for word, but Luffy “senses” what he is gonna say but not word for word. It’s like when my (ex) girlfriend told me something in a certain kind of voice to do something, I could “sense“ whether she was affectionate in saying it or if she said it in a manipulative-bitch kind of way. It’s like spider senses. Luffy has extremely good spider senses. He could sense the “intent” of what Katakuri was gonna say, not verbatim word for word kind of way

Luffy isn't the type to do Joseph Joestar mindgames like that, fact is he sees VERY far into the future to be able to INSTRUCT someone else SEVERAL moves in advance to COUNTER their strategy, and he did this casually. This is a more impressive feat than anything Katakuri has done with future sight. The implications of future sight are such that it has to be nerfed otherwise it is completely one sided against the characters without it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Logia ain't shit, Haki ain't shit...

Unless you have a favorable match up with your shit together. We've seen every time that styles make fights and that you can almost never just overlook the opponent and get by on sheer power level.

 

[critical mindset]

Luffy isn't the type to do Joseph Joestar mindgames like that, fact is he sees VERY far into the future to be able to INSTRUCT someone else SEVERAL moves in advance to COUNTER their strategy, and he did this casually. This is a more impressive feat than anything Katakuri has done with future sight. The implications of future sight are such that it has to be nerfed otherwise it is completely one sided against the characters without it.

Katakuri could do the exact same thing, in fact he could do it much better. Luffy reads the intent of actions; Katakuri effectively reads the “intent”, as it were, of an entire field of vision where he applies his FS to everything: inanimate as well as animate things. It’s much more effective, and had the situation been more complex with more variables involved Kata would’ve been able to predict a definite future outcome, whereas Luff can only make it out by reading people’s intents; he wouldn’t have been able to tell how a stone will fall or how a building will collapse. That’s why Kata is much better at FS. Kata has much better FS in every kind if way.

The same goes for Apoo’s soundwaves. He would be one of very few who can sense that. He does it with his FS which is an extension of breath of all things

 

[Finalbeta]

FS is just a power which will soon be forgotten

Just accept it folks

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Yeah but he hasn’t shown a level to where he can quote what you’re gonna say word for word - yet. He hasn’t down that yet. That I think is a unique ability, takes shit long of training to do that. The part where they finish each others sentences, Kata sees what he is gonna say word for word, but Luffy “senses” what he is gonna say but not word for word. It’s like when my (ex) girlfriend told me something in a certain kind of voice to do something, I could start “sensing” whether she was affectionate in saying it or if she said it in a manipulative-bitch kind of way. It’s like spider senses. Luffy has extremely good spider senses. He could sense the “intent” of what Katakuri was gonna say, not verbatim word for word kind of way

not sure why quoting word for word is seen as a higher level than seeing the course of action multiple seconds ahead.
if he can see what someone is going to do, he can also see what they are going to say. katakuri throughout the course of the fight says luffy is seeing the future like me
hyogoro implies he is seeing it as well.

"he's able to see the future just like me"
you can reason this way rl but none of this has been established within the context of the story as a higher level. safe to say it is your self made interpretation and I respectfully disagree.

 

[Rmstorm]

You already know Luffy did not use Future Sight in chapter 980. He never used Conquerors Haki, He never used Advanced Armament Haki, or Gear 2nd which he could use to teleport and blitz apoo.

Luffy never used 80% of his abilites in chapter 980. Not only that but he will be weaving and styling on Big Mom and Kaido Yonko using Future Sight in the upcoming fight.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

It's not overrated, Oda is just purely writing story based on plot

He would make a Yonko just because he took off his IV to lose his observation for Squard if necessary!

Pure plot-driven series!

Powers are there for entertainment, powerscaling is just cared by fandom!

That's the type of author we're dealing with

 

[nik87]

not sure why quoting word for word is seen as a higher level than seeing the course of action multiple seconds ahead.
if he can see what someone is going to do, he can also see what they are going to say. katakuri throughout the course of the fight says luffy is seeing the future like me
hyogoro implies he is seeing it as well.

"he's able to see the future just like me"
you can reason this way rl but none of this has been established within the context of the story as a higher level. safe to say it is your self made interpretation and I respectfully disagree.

The question is not whether he can use it or not but how often he can use it.
It doesnt fit his character since he is always angry in his fights which results in low FS up-time.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No, no and no.
Being able to sense emotions doesnt affect his low up-time of doing so.
He isnt sensing the emotions constantly, he reads the personality(emotions) once and that's it.
Luffy is angry, all the time, that's one of main traits of his character. He was angry for 980 chapters and now you want something else...
Luffy will be Luffy, he wont change because of future sight...

I mean whether you like it or not, Luffy has mastered CoO and is one of the best CoO users in the series. This means he has mastered the ability to be calm in battle. Its called character development and its pretty evident.

Ehhh. Luffy clearly wasn't using FS or any kind of observation here. He was screaming at the top of his lungs

Actually in that panel Luffy was stating that he was clearing what was on his mind. He would have no reason to do this if not to use CoO.

It's just that of 3 haki branches he developed the most CoO

that's what it means to be a specialist.

It's just Luffy fans who overhype the MC when he lifts a finger and then get smacked by the club or Apoo and wonder why...

this is literally an argument that @Chrono uses

"Zoro is weak because he took damage"

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The question is not whether he can use it or not but how often he can use it.
It doesnt fit his character since he is always angry in his fights which results in low FS up-time.

then fs isnt overatted
fs on luffy would be inconsistent

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You already know Luffy did not use Future Sight in chapter 980. He never used Conquerors Haki, He never used Advanced Armament Haki, or Gear 2nd which he could use to teleport and blitz apoo.

Luffy never used 80% of his abilites in chapter 980. Not only that but he will be weaving and styling on Big Mom and Kaido Yonko using Future Sight in the upcoming fight.

luffy knew an attack was coming
are you suggesting he used regular coo in that event and not futuresight?
if so why?

 

[Seth]

If you want to use FS as a professionalist like Mihawk.
Dude was standing in the middle of the war and he was using his OP Haki to see things because he didn't have to care that someone can take him down so he can easily concentrate on using Haki pogg.

FS will be useless for people like Luffy ofc he can concentrate for some seconds to actually use it but the only thing you need to do is scream haha Okobore no food and Luffy can't use FS anymore

 

[nik87]

I mean whether you like it or not, Luffy has mastered CoO and is one of the best CoO users in the series. This means he has mastered the ability to be calm in battle. Its called character development and its pretty evident.

I guess Kaido's club and Apoo werent enough for you? No problem, more counter-proof incoming the more Wano advances.
Being able to use CoO means nothing. He could use CoO since TS and main problem in fight against Katakuri was to calm himself.
Encounters Kaido, gets angry. Queen submerges Killer and Kidd, gets angry. People spill Oshiruko, gets angry.
The boy has anger issues and you expect the calm and calculated Katakuri with logia-like body... Good luck.

that's what it means to be a specialist.

No. If haki mastery is on a scale from 1 to 10 and your CoA is 1 while CoO is 2, that 2 doesnt make you into a CoO specialist.

this is literally an argument that @Chrono uses
"Zoro is weak because he took damage"

It's literally what Luffy fans are doing. He gets FS-"He's untouchable now, he will beat BM in WCI!" He gets aCoA, the same...

then fs isnt overatted
fs on luffy would be inconsistent

Already said that it is a decent ability on Katakuri, on Luffy it's overrated due to several reasons.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I guess Kaido's club and Apoo werent enough for you? No problem, more counter-proof incoming the more Wano advances.

Please tell me. How exactly can you dodge apoo's attack? Luffy even stated that he knew Apoo was going to use an attack. The issue isn't that he can't predict it, its that he couldn't dodge.

Same with Luffy vs kaido. Right before thunder bagua, you see a panel of Luffy's face in which luffy seemed shocked. It is fully believable that kaido, the strongest creature, was able to speed blitz luffy. FS won't allow you to dodge if your not fast enough.

No. If haki mastery is on a scale from 1 to 10 and your CoA is 1 while CoO is 2, that 2 doesnt make you into a CoO specialist.

there's a difference between being a master and being a specialist. Luffy is a CoO master, he has attained the highest level of CoO shown.

Sanji is a CoO specialist. That doesn't mean he is the best CoO user, just that he is better at it than CoA. Rayleigh explained haki specialization. Most haki users pick one type of haki they are good at and master it to a higher degree than the other.

If for whatever reason it bothers you to call Sanji a CoO specialist then fine, but i'm not going to argue semantics.

It's literally what Luffy fans are doing. He gets FS-"He's untouchable now, he will beat BM in WCI!" He gets aCoA, the same...

I mean no, with ACoA its different in that it is more or less confirmed that Luffy will beat Kaido.