Character Discussion The Gorosei and Imu probably aren't as remarkable as you think they are.

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Good evening everyone. First, i would like to clarify that this isn't a thread based on powerscaling, not saying that the Gorosei and Imu aren't strong.

I've seen lots of theories about Imu being some sort of alien like Kaguya was, or being some sort of primordial entity that's responsible for the creation of the Devil Fruits.

However, this panel heavily suggests that Imu was simply one of the 20 kings responsible for founding the government. This makes me think that Imu, was most likely, a human.

Spoiler

Imu is probably just a powerful mythical zoan user(a dragon or a demon?) that had the Op Op no Mi immortality surgery performed on him/her.

I've also heard recent speculation that Sabo referring to the Gorosei's powers as "hellish" suggests that they aren't devil fruit users, but instead something else. I highly doubt that's true. The silhouettes also remind me of other zoan silhouettes, like Jabra and Lucci's in Enies Lobby. I doubt they are anything more than mythical zoans or even regular zoans.

This chapter also revived many theories about the Gorosei being some centuries old entities who were present in the Void Century. They could be a few hundred years old(maybe they also had the surgery performed on them?), but they aren't that old. They were literally talking about how the government failed to acquire the Nika fruit after all.

Spoiler

Overall, while Imu and the Gorosei definitely are major characters who are connected to lots of important things in the story's overall lore, evidence seems to suggest that they are just normal humans, not primordial sea gods, not aliens, just humans.

Of course this could easily be proven wrong, but for the time being, I feel like it's heavily implied that they are just normal humans with fruits.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah they’re probably just all zoans.

However, I don’t think Imu had the immortality surgery done upon him that just kinda means oda wrote him into a corner for Imus defeat. It’s possible his devil fruit just gifts him an ability to prolong his life or pass on his will.

 

[GUI VI]

I think it would be very megalomaniac if Imu and the Gorosei were aliens or literal gods.

I think them being immortal and being DF users is enough.

 

[Moegara]

Good evening everyone. First, i would like to clarify that this isn't a thread based on powerscaling, not saying that the Gorosei and Imu aren't strong.

I've seen lots of theories about Imu being some sort of alien like Kaguya was, or being some sort of primordial entity that's responsible for the creation of the Devil Fruits.

However, this panel heavily suggests that Imu was simply one of the 20 kings responsible for founding the government. This makes me think that Imu, was most likely, a human.

Spoiler

Imu is probably just a powerful mythical zoan user(a dragon or a demon?) that had the Op Op no Mi immortality surgery performed on him/her.

I've also heard recent speculation that Sabo referring to the Gorosei's powers as "hellish" suggests that they aren't devil fruit users, but instead something else. I highly doubt that's true. The silhouettes also remind me of other zoan silhouettes, like Jabra and Lucci's in Enies Lobby. I doubt they are anything more than mythical zoans or even regular zoans.

This chapter also revived many theories about the Gorosei being some centuries old entities who were present in the Void Century. They could be a few hundred years old(maybe they also had the surgery performed on them?), but they aren't that old. They were literally talking about how the government failed to acquire the Nika fruit after all.

Spoiler

Overall, while Imu and the Gorosei definitely are major characters who are connected to lots of important things in the story's overall lore, evidence seems to suggest that they are just normal humans, not primordial sea gods, not aliens, just humans.

Of course this could easily be proven wrong, but for the time being, I feel like it's heavily implied that they are just normal humans with fruits.

I cannot agree with the question even if I agree with the contents of the post.

I always thought they are top tiers, I never thought they are anything but human, so for now they are as remarkable as I thought they were.

Even Imu, who is 800 years old, is Joyboy's counterpart, not Nika's, because "Nika" isn't a real thing. So far no mythological fruit is based on anything that actually exists in the lore.

Then again, he is the counterpart of someone who wielded the Nika fruit.

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Yeah they’re probably just all zoans.

However, I don’t think Imu had the immortality surgery done upon him that just kinda means oda wrote him into a corner for Imus defeat. It’s possible his devil fruit just gifts him an ability to prolong his life or pass on his will.

Oda can find ways around that, ever since the operation was introduced it has always been a possibility that someone had undergone it, and it looks it was Imu.

As for ways to go around that I can already offer one: if the ope ope no mi can make someone immortal, it stands to reason it could also undo it.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Yeah they’re probably just all zoans.

However, I don’t think Imu had the immortality surgery done upon him that just kinda means oda wrote him into a corner for Imus defeat. It’s possible his devil fruit just gifts him an ability to prolong his life or pass on his will.

A lot of times in fiction, immortality just means they can't die of old age. So Imu could die, just not from natural causes.

Imu being immortal doesn't necessarily mean that he's invincible. Luffy could just beat the shit out of Imu, and then Imu ends up in some jail cell forever, which works out because Oda doesn't like killing characters.

Though i'm just speculating

 

[Sir Yasheen]

A lot of times in fiction, immortality just means they can't die of old age. So Imu could die, just not from natural causes.

Imu being immortal doesn't necessarily mean that he's invincible. Luffy could just beat the shit out of Imu, and then Imu ends up in some jail cell forever, which works out because Oda doesn't like killing characters.

Though i'm just speculating

The thing with the killing characters is that Imu would eventually return and revert the world to as it is now if he isn’t completely taken down.

So I guess it’d either be stuck in the bottom of the ocean or dead. And I see that immortality surgery the same way Dragonball treated that exact wish where it’s always a possibility and even a goal, but never actually done.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

The Gorosei are probably CDs who succeeded to get the OP OP no mi used on them and they probably come from different generations/eras.
Doflamingo basically wanted to become a Gorosei of this era.

 

[Herrera95]

Yeah they’re probably just all zoans.

However, I don’t think Imu had the immortality surgery done upon him that just kinda means oda wrote him into a corner for Imus defeat. It’s possible his devil fruit just gifts him an ability to prolong his life or pass on his will.

I always understood the immortality as just not getting old therefore not dying from natural diseases.

But even if he is really immortal than it's not that hard to beat him. Just beat and arrest him at Impel Down Level 6 with Kairoseki. Done.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Think you hit the nail on the head, TKOTS, they’re definitely augmented humans but not extraterrestrial…whatever those little bastards were in Enel’s cover story are the only aliens we’ve seen or will see in this series

 

[Fujishiro]

Good evening everyone. First, i would like to clarify that this isn't a thread based on powerscaling, not saying that the Gorosei and Imu aren't strong.

I've seen lots of theories about Imu being some sort of alien like Kaguya was, or being some sort of primordial entity that's responsible for the creation of the Devil Fruits.

However, this panel heavily suggests that Imu was simply one of the 20 kings responsible for founding the government. This makes me think that Imu, was most likely, a human.

Spoiler

Imu is probably just a powerful mythical zoan user(a dragon or a demon?) that had the Op Op no Mi immortality surgery performed on him/her.

I've also heard recent speculation that Sabo referring to the Gorosei's powers as "hellish" suggests that they aren't devil fruit users, but instead something else. I highly doubt that's true. The silhouettes also remind me of other zoan silhouettes, like Jabra and Lucci's in Enies Lobby. I doubt they are anything more than mythical zoans or even regular zoans.

This chapter also revived many theories about the Gorosei being some centuries old entities who were present in the Void Century. They could be a few hundred years old(maybe they also had the surgery performed on them?), but they aren't that old. They were literally talking about how the government failed to acquire the Nika fruit after all.

Spoiler

Overall, while Imu and the Gorosei definitely are major characters who are connected to lots of important things in the story's overall lore, evidence seems to suggest that they are just normal humans, not primordial sea gods, not aliens, just humans.

Of course this could easily be proven wrong, but for the time being, I feel like it's heavily implied that they are just normal humans with fruits.

Imu being a part of the first 20 kings doesnt mean he has to be human, he can just as well be something else that hijacked a kingdom to set their plans in motion.

Thoughts about my theory btw?

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Imu being a part of the first 20 kings doesnt mean he has to be human, he can just as well be something else that hijacked a kingdom to set their plans in motion.

Thoughts about my theory btw?

true. they may have thought he was a human, but he could have been just disguising himself.

I need to give it a more thorough read, but it's pretty good and it's a real possible.

 

[Fujishiro]

true. they may have thought he was a human, but he could have been just disguising himself.

I need to give it a more thorough read, but it's pretty good and it's a real possible.

As for the transformations they felt off to me, not like a zoan transformation but something else honestly. Idk how describe it. They werent even talking or anything, shit felt weird.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

I think it would be very megalomaniac if Imu and the Gorosei were aliens or literal gods.

I think them being immortal and being DF users is enough.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

They aren't literally gods or aliens, but they aren't just normal humans.

Almost all characters are shown to age with time. Go look at the MADS cover story and see how Oda draws Vegapunk and the other MADS members changing through the ages. However the Gorosei have never aged. Their appearance now is the same as their appearance in Robin's flashback and in the MADS cover story.

While the Gorosei aren't as old as Imu, they are likely immortal or at the very least, have slowed aging due to their DFs/tech.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Great thread.

I’ve actually had a weird thought based on the last couple chapters that Joyboy actually predates Imu considerably and is a legend to even Imu.

This kinda backs that up.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Would be crazy.

 

[SkySanji]

Imu probably is an alien, One Piece has so many ties to space and the various moons so for the final antagonist to not have a connection to all of that makes little sense.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Good thread. You raised some good points.

I've also heard recent speculation that Sabo referring to the Gorosei's powers as "hellish" suggests that they aren't devil fruit users

Which panel was it? The official translation says, "To think that there was such a diabolical truth at the pinnacle of the world", I cant find Sabo commenting about their powers.

They were literally talking about how the government failed to acquire the Nika fruit after all.

Yeah, this panel also strongly hints that they are not that old =>

The silhouettes also remind me of other zoan silhouettes, like Jabra and Lucci's in Enies Lobby. I doubt they are anything more than mythical zoans or even regular zoans

Jabra and Lucci's shadows were way more menacing than Gorosei's. A couple of the gorosei's silhouette reminded me more of jailer guards from Impel Down =>

Spoiler

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

IMU keep hidden from public so he/she can have power for long time .
‘Gorsei are to damage control if situation bad happen to world government and IMU existence.
IMU doesn’t seem like alien or god to me . Just a person who has immortal surgery and have devil fruit which it seem zoan type like .

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Which panel was it? The official translation says, "To think that there was such a diabolical truth at the pinnacle of the world", I cant find Sabo commenting about their powers.

I thought the official translation had Sabo describing them as "hellish".

What else could Sabo be calling hellish outside of their abilities? Though, i figured that Sabo would have guessed that the heads of the World Government(who are obviously fighters based off their scars) would have fruits.

Yeah, this panel also strongly hints that they are not that old =>

I like the theory that a few of them are several centuries old, made immortal by the op op no mi but Gorbachev's dialogue suggests that they are nothing but really old men. Probably longer than Kureha lol.

Jabra and Lucci's shadows were way more menacing than Gorosei's. A couple of the gorosei's silhouette reminded me more of jailer guards from Impel Down =>

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yeah, they do kinda look similar. I doubt they'll be as goofy.... Maybe they're both awakened?