Anime & Manga Sbs volume 85 clarifies speed feat in Wano

[WizardKing]

Yi?

YingYang

 

[BillSlipton]

Sanji was running very fast with luffys meal as he saw that luffy was hungry and beat big mom 10000 man army alone write on youtube sanji minato wci

I'll check it out

 

[WizardKing]

I'll check it out

Do it its epic

 

[BillSlipton]

Damn

 

[langitbarat]

Since this thread got revived. What's the consensus on this ability?

I've seen some people, haters and non-haters alike, consider this as situational. As in, won't work on some people (stronger chars).

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Well, here's the thing. A speedster's speed not only depends on themselves, but also other people's perception. This is why you see WW or Supes being able to spot Flash, for example.

This is pretty evident with Luffy vs CP9. At one time in W7, he can't see them clearly. But later in EL, he can see them & keep up with them.

Basically:

1. A Commander-level character's speed can look invisible to Veteran-level character if they're fast enough.

2. An Emperor-level character's speed can look invisible to Commander-level character if they're fast enough.

In Sanji's case :

1. In WCI, Sanji has Commander-level speed, that's why he looks invisible & can blitz Oven, the guy didn't even know what hit him.

2. In Wano, Sanji got Exo which upgrade his speed to Emperor-level, that's why he looks invisible to Queen.

Wano upgrades Sanji's speed & Zoro's attack power to Emperor level.

The very impressive thing is that Sanji doesn't just have an Emperor-level speed for a moment/an attack/one move like other Emperor-level character, but he can do it continuously for several seconds (due to Exoskeleton's bonus stats).
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Since this thread got revived. What's the consensus on this ability?

I've seen some people, haters and non-haters alike, consider this as situational. As in, won't work on some people (stronger chars).

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[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

@BillSlipton you got another W for Sanji's speed feat saving Bonney in 1094.

 

[wrongidea]

It's Travel Speed.
In combat and reaction Speed Sanji and Zoro not really to far at speed gap.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

It's Travel Speed.
In combat and reaction Speed Sanji and Zoro not really to far at speed gap.

Improper example, that's pre-Exo Sanji... with a debuff on his body.

Zoro literally comment why he's having a hard time / slow in dodging laser.

 

[Moegara]

Improper example, that's pre-Exo Sanji... with a debuff on his body.

Zoro literally comment why he's having a hard time / slow in dodging laser.

Zoro is clearly commenting on his "OOF!!", not on the combat, and Sanji said he feels weird, not bad.

 

[wrongidea]

Improper example, that's pre-Exo Sanji... with a debuff on his body.

Zoro literally comment why he's having a hard time / slow in dodging laser.

Sbs 85 is before Exo Sanji.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Zoro is clearly commenting on his "OOF!!", not on the combat, and Sanji said he feels weird, not bad.

Zoro looks at Sanji's direction tho. As in, Sanji should've dodge that properly, but he's not like there's something wrong, so Zoro got concerned.

 

[Moegara]

Zoro looks at Sanji's direction tho. As in, Sanji should've dodge that, but he's not, so Zoro got concerned.

I think Sanji dodged it fine in that page? Unless I'm missing something.

Zoro looked at him in concern, that much is true, because he's less toxic than most readers, but I think that's because he heard him oofing for no reason.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

I think Sanji dodged it fine in that page? Unless I'm missing something.

Zoro looked at him in concern, that much is true, because he's less toxic than most readers, but I think that's because he heard him oofing for no reason.

Hmm, I read that as Sanji going oof because he dodges it narrowly.

As in "Oops, almost hit me".

 

[BillSlipton]

Well, here's the thing. A speedster's speed not only depends on themselves, but also other people's perception. This is why you see WW or Supes being able to spot Flash, for example.

This is pretty evident with Luffy vs CP9. At one time in W7, he can't see them clearly. But later in EL, he can see them & keep up with them.

Basically:

1. A Commander-level character's speed can look invisible to Veteran-level character if they're fast enough.

2. An Emperor-level character's speed can look invisible to Commander-level character if they're fast enough.

In Sanji's case :

1. In WCI, Sanji has Commander-level speed, that's why he looks invisible & can blitz Oven, the guy didn't even know what hit him.

2. In Wano, Sanji got Exo which upgrade his speed to Emperor-level, that's why he looks invisible to Queen.

Wano upgrades Sanji's speed & Zoro's attack power to Emperor level.

The very impressive thing is that Sanji doesn't just have an Emperor-level speed for a moment/an attack/one move like other Emperor-level character, but he can do it continuously for several seconds (due to Exoskeleton's bonus stats).
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No. Oda said he gained the ability to be invisible. Period. Nothing more. This was in the newest sbs.

If this was about being invisible to commanders... itd make no sense. Sanji has disappeared in front of many characters. Including at the baratie. If this was the same ability then oda wouldn't have mentioned that he gained a new power.

Looking beyond odas direct words. We see that only kizaru and sanji have gotten the invisibility sfx that's used exclusively for real invisibility.

Only absalom, queen, rs sanji, and shiryu have gotten that sfx.

Now Kizaru and sanji got that sfx from speed. That's insane portrayal right there.

Sanjis speed is above everyone that isn't as fast as kizaru

 

[RoronoaZorro]

No. Oda said he gained the ability to be invisible. Period. Nothing more. This was in the newest sbs.

If this was about being invisible to commanders... itd make no sense. Sanji has disappeared in front of many characters. Including at the baratie. If this was the same ability then oda wouldn't have mentioned that he gained a new power.

Looking beyond odas direct words. We see that only kizaru and sanji have gotten the invisibility sfx that's used exclusively for real invisibility.

Only absalom, queen, rs sanji, and shiryu have gotten that sfx.

Now Kizaru and sanji got that sfx from speed. That's insane portrayal right there.

Sanjis speed is above everyone that isn't as fast as kizaru

His old speed, or everyone's speed in this context, only last a moment / one action.

Sanji can now do it continously, thus making it to be an invisibility power. Since he previously can't do it, it's considered "a new ability".

 

[BillSlipton]

His old speed, or everyone's speed in this context, only last a moment / one action.

Sanji can now do it continously, thus making it to be an invisibility power. Since he previously can't do it, it's considered "a new ability".

He already did it in whole cake island to save chiffon vs Oven. Continous invisible speed.

Your only argument is disproven. So what did oda mean by "gained the power to dissapear"?

 

[RoronoaZorro]

He already did it in whole cake island to save chiffon vs Oven. Continous invisible speed.

Your only argument is disproven. So what did oda mean by "gained the power to dissapear"?

That is 2 actions, from Pudding to Oven, then back to Pudding. They can't react to it & don't know anything. Only split second / a second thing. A to B to A, then end.

Sanji's invisibility power is just like versus Queen, a continuous superspeed. Not just a second or less. Like, ABABABAB...

Think of Brook's blitzes, with superspeed, Brook disappears, but just only a fraction of time, then he reappears. He is invisible, but it's so short that it can't be called invisible power. Sanji does what Brook does, but able to maintain it for long due to Exoskeleton's stamina/dura/regen bonus.

Edit : continuous as in, doesn't stop at all.

 

[BillSlipton]

Sanji

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Sanji

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