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Who is the main antagonist of Egghead?

  • Borsalino

  • Saturn


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Cinera

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#1
I'm not asking who Luffy's opponent is, merely who the main antagonist for the Arc is (though they're often the same).

I feel like it's Saint Jay Garcia Saturn:
  • He holds ultimate authority over the World Government forces there.
    • E.g. he ordered the ships that the employees used to evacuate from Egg Head be sunk
    • He has ultimate authority over the Seraphim
    • CP 0 will presumably report directly to him
  • He's Borsalino's superior
  • He has interest in York because of the Mother Flame
  • He has met Vegapunk before
  • He also appears to be a Top Tier:
    • One of the Gorosei appears to wield the Shodai Kitetsu, a Supreme Grade sword
      • All other Supreme Grade sword wielders have been High Top Tiers (Mihawk, Roger, Whitebeard)
    • All the Gorosei appear to be Awakened Zoans users
      • And plausibly Mythical Zoans
    • They have battle scars
    • They are the "Warrior Gods"
    • They no sold a named attack from Sabo
    • Their leader Imu took Sabo down with a single attack
  • The Gorosei were given a titular chapter before the story resumed the Egghead Arc

I feel like he's the big bad here, and he's certainly no Spandam or Orochi.

I guess it remains to be seen if he's the Linlin of WCI.
 
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CensoredbyWG

#6
Kizaru is the leader of the enemy fleet (Admiral to his Marines)
Saturns entire existence in Egghead is still unknown, not to mention the Straw Hats likely wouldn’t even consider him a combatant.

The way I see it:
Kizaru is Gecko Moriah
Saturn is Kuma
Exactly, saturn will come to flex on SHs after all i said and done
 

nik87

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#8
Both Kizaru and Saturn are doing the same thing - carrying out orders of eliminating Vegapunks and securing more dosages of Mother Flame that Imu requested. Most people will say Saturn due to higher authority but he is a cog in a machine just like Kizaru is.
It is also possible that another party shows up, like the man with the Burn scar and turns out to be the big bad instead.
 
#10
Each Saga starts with Two Villain Groups & then Introduction of a much Greater Threat.
Sometimes They face this Threat, and sometimes They only learn of how Dangerous They are before avoiding them.

Whiskey Peak:
  • SHs find themselves against Igaram & Bounty Hunters (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes their Superiors Mr. 5 & his Partner (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Robin
Jaya:
  • SHs find themselves against Saruyama Alliance (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes Bellamy & his Crew (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Blackbeard
Long Ring Long Land:
  • SHs find themselves against Foxy Pirates (Who end up giving their Flag to Luffy)
  • In this case, there wasn't a Second Group of Villain, cuz Foxy Pirates Game was Split into Two Fighting Rounds
  • Finally We get Introduced to Aokiji
Saboady Archipelago:
  • SHs find themselves against Duval & his Group (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes Celestial Dragons (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Kizaru
Punk Hazard:
  • SHs find themselves against Smoker & G5 (Who become Allies)
  • But then Real Fight is against Caesar, Monet & Vergo (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Post-TS Aokiji
And there are other Examples

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Egghead Arc is another Similar Scenario.

1. SHs find themselves against CP-0, just like it happened with Igaram Team, Saruyama Alliance, Duval Crew & G5 .... etc
2. The Second Superior Group shows up (Saturn's Fleet), just like Mr. 5, Bellamy Pirates, Celestial Dragons, PH Trio ... etc
3. Then Arc ends with Arrival of a much Bigger Threat who serves as a Warning for SHs, such as Robin, BB, Aokiji & Kizaru ... etc

What does this mean?

CP-0 will become Allies ---> Already Happened
Kizaru's Fleet are gonna suffer a Humiliating Defeat ---> Those i mentioned above got Defeated in an Overwhelming Way
New Character is gonna arrive at Egghead & He is Stronger than everybody Present (This is Arc's Big Bad)
 
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#11
Each Saga starts with Two Villain Groups & then Introduction of a much Greater Threat.
Sometimes They face this Threat, and sometimes They only learn of how Dangerous They are before avoiding them.

Whiskey Peak:
  • SHs find themselves against Igaram & Bounty Hunters (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes their Superiors Mr. 5 & his Partner (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Robin
Jaya:
  • SHs find themselves against Saruyama Alliance (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes Bellamy & his Crew (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Blackbeard
Long Ring Long Land:
  • SHs find themselves against Foxy Pirates (Who end up giving their Flag to Luffy)
  • In this case, there wasn't a Second Group of Villain, cuz Foxy Pirates Game was Split into Two Fighting Rounds
  • Finally We get Introduced to Aokiji
Saboady Archipelago:
  • SHs find themselves against Duval & his Group (Who become Allies)
  • But then comes Celestial Dragons (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Kizaru
Punk Hazard:
  • SHs find themselves against Smoker & G5 (Who become Allies)
  • But then Real Fight is against Caesar, Monet & Vergo (Who get Destroyed)
  • Finally We get Introduced to Doflamingo
And there are other Examples

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Egghead Arc is another Similar Scenario.

1. SHs find themselves against CP-0, just like it happened with Igaram Team, Saruyama Alliance, Duval Crew & G5 .... etc
2. The Second Superior Group shows up (Saturn's Fleet), just like Mr. 5, Bellamy Pirates, Celestial Dragons, PH Trio ... etc
3. Then Arc ends with Arrival of a much Bigger Threat who serves as a Warning for SHs, such as Robin, BB, Aokiji & Kizaru ... etc

What does this mean?

CP-0 will become Allies ---> Already Happened
Kizaru's Fleet are gonna suffer a Humiliating Defeat ---> Those i mentioned above got Defeated in an Overwhelming Way
New Character is gonna arrive at Egghead & He is Stronger than everybody Present (This is Arc's Big Bad)
Thats not "each" saga lmao. You arbitrary left out nearly every major arc in order to make that point.

Kizaru and his fleet are the antagonists. Nobody else is showing up here save for 2 blackbeard captains looking to do something.
 
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Cruxroux

#12
I'm not asking who Luffy's opponent is, merely who the main antagonist for the Arc is (though they're often the same).

I feel like it's Saint Jay Garcia Saturn:
  • He holds ultimate authority over the World Government forces there.
    • E.g. he ordered the ships that the employees used to evacuate from Egg Head be sunk
    • He has ultimate authority over the Seraphim
    • CP 0 will presumably report directly to him
  • He's Borsalino's superior
  • He has interest in York because of the Mother Flame
  • He has met Vegapunk before
  • He also appears to be a Top Tier:
    • One of the Gorosei appears to wield the Shodai Kitetsu, a Supreme Grade sword
      • All other Supreme Grade sword wielders have been High Top Tiers (Mihawk, Roger, Whitebeard)
    • All the Gorosei appear to be Awakened Zoans users
    • They have battle scars
    • They are the "Warrior Gods"
    • They tanked named attacks from Sabo

I feel like he's the big bad here, and he's certainly no Spandam or Orochi.

I guess it remains to be seen if he's the Linlin of WCI.
Zoro vs Kizaru makes the most sense.

Zoro and Luffy always fight Next level Opponent , they never Fight someone equal or weaker to their previous battles.

Saturn > Kizaru is a fact that some people deny.

1) Gorosei are confirmed to Zoan Holders (I'll go as far as saying they are all Over powered Mythical Zoan). They ain't a case like Orochi was.
Just by having a Mythical zoan on your arsenal Sends you at YC1 levels. Look at marco.

2) Luffy crew is recognised as Yonkou level. One admiral will never be enough to take it down. Aramaki Himself said he wouldn't have if Kaido was still reigning as supreme commander. People might make arguments like Kizaru>Aramaki but Even if they were to fight it will be a extreme fight. Admirals strength is no joke but they are still weaker than Yonkou at the end of the day. Sending Kizaru is pointless. Each buster call has Admiral in its middle , but This time , it's specifically said Current crew is larger than an average Buster call.

And Luffy will fight Saturn.

Yonkou > Admiral , Makes no sense from luffystans who claim Luffy > Kaido , but will now fight Kizaru who is weaker than Kaido. Luffy's gains nothing out of it. There would be barely any power struggle over here. If Kaido was High Duffing Admiral , Luffy should be able to Mid-High diff , which makes his fight featless and boring.

Neither Zoro or Luffy has ever fought someone weaker than their previous Opponent.

And for people saying Zoro will fight Vice admirals.
It's dumb , Kaido himself Said "Adcoc" is only for the strongest among the Strong known people in one piece World.

No vice admiral even with DF hax can surpass any of the Yonkou First commanders. Marco , Benn , King , Kata , Zoro all of them are gonna Fodderise them.

We already saw what VA was capable of in Marineford , even with haki restraint , current YC1 are haki wise beyond Average VA (king being an exception).

Zoro gains nothing from this fight either , even with all 9 VA jumping on Zoro in a 1 v 9 , Zoro wins this.

Why Zoro vs Kizaru makes more sense?
1) Kizaru is kept on matched with YC1's.
  1. Marineford - only Marco got into a fight with Kizaru , WB didn't even touch him. Only reason Marco was busted because He was put on Sea stones and he was busy with other task in Marineford at the same time. He might have lost but it was mid diff fight regardless.
  2. End of Marineford - benn was matched with Benn not shanks , Kizaru took a back himself , Ben might have pushed him to High diff but would have loose again.
  3. Archaeology - he was matched with Rayleigh

2) Zoro needs to improve CoO , who could be better than this than a Light logia user himself. It's a challenge for Zoro , Zoro will take it regardless because he always looks for the way to get stronger.

3) Archaeology Flashback, Payback Basically. Kizaru bullied injured Zoro there. No way Zoro not taking revenge on them.

4) Zoro ain't scared of Admirals , He was ready to throw hands with Fujitora in Dressrosa. He might loose in a high diff at that time but Current Zoro , no way.

5) Out of all the OG admirals , Only Kizaru uses Sword to fight. Akainu and Aokiji are brute strength Character.


Reason why people don't want Zoro to fight Kizaru
1) they are afraid he will be stronger than their fav except characters like Akainu , Mihawk , Shanks.

2) Sanji stans pushing the agenda Because The "Gag" Rivalry between Zoro and Sanji will increase.

3) all the Adcoc users are ridiculously strong but people still refuses to put Zoro in that list God knows why. Him fighting an admiral will just cement it into people brain.

4) YC1 Wankers like Kata and other Wanker don't want this because Zoro as a YC1 will surpass them by a huge margin but it's a canon fact that he will always be better than them. Look at the portrayal of Rayeligh and Benn. These YC1's are built different. Kata , King , Marco , will be left behind by a huge scale.

5) Zoro will increase his CoO level to FS which is a problem to a lot of people.

6) people think he will take Luffy shine as MC , but no as I said Yonkou > Admiral. He already have Kaidou defeat Under his belt.

Zoro vs Kizaru makes the Most sense over here.

luffy fight is Saturn , A zoan user , No way he doesn't know haki , He scars Confirms he's been into battle multiple times. Bald Gorosei has Kitetsu 1 WHICH is a cursed sword in itself and yet it choose Gandhi as his wielders , they are haki monsters themselves.

After all this , If oda Decides to Not draw Zoro vs Kizaru , it's bad writing at this point. Wano was ruined for this reason only. rather than Exploiting Luffy and Giving him multiple L in front of Kaido , ZKK was a better Option. Zoro literally said He wants to cut kaido and moment he tapped into KoH he was well capable of it.
As I have already said , If after ZKK , ZKK 2.0 doesn't happen. I'm done with the show.

And for people coming up reasons like Luffy fights Admiral , Yonkou , warlord First. It's bullshit.

1) Zoro fought Mihawk first > Luffy fighting Crocodile (Won due to plot armour) , Luffy couldn't have won against Mihawk either.

2) Zoro and Luffy both Fought Kaido on rooftop but both lost again. Luffy didn't do shit damage to Kaido after Zoro went down , Luffy himself Was drowning next chapter.
Do not bring up kaido in Act 1 and Bigmam face off.
If you do , Zoro already was ready to throw hands with Fujitora in Dressrosa.

3) Luffy wanting to beat Admiral , only meant Akainu , Luffy vs Akainu is Cemented since Marineford. Not all the admirals. Only the FLEET ADMIRAL. Why would Luffy Fight An admiral who is weaker then Fleet admiral. Luffy also said he wants to fight all 4 Yonkou , BB , Kaido , Shanks and Bigmam.
Bigmam was Taken down by Kid and law , no Luffy involvement. Shanks is predicted to be taken down by BB sooner or later and them fighting no makes sense either way unless evil shanks theory comes true.
Like Law and midd took down Bigmam which Luffy wanted as his goal , Zoro can Take down Kizaru as well. It's as simple as that.
 

Cinera

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#16
Kizaru is the leader of the enemy fleet (Admiral to his Marines)
And yet Doberman is reporting to Saturn and asking him for instructions re: the escaped prisoners.

Saturn is actually taking command of this operation.
Thats not "each" saga lmao. You arbitrary left out nearly every major arc in order to make that point.

Kizaru and his fleet are the antagonists. Nobody else is showing up here save for 2 blackbeard captains looking to do something.
This ignores Saturn, CP 0 and the Seraphim.
 
#17
I'm not asking who Luffy's opponent is, merely who the main antagonist for the Arc is (though they're often the same).

I feel like it's Saint Jay Garcia Saturn:
  • He holds ultimate authority over the World Government forces there.
    • E.g. he ordered the ships that the employees used to evacuate from Egg Head be sunk
    • He has ultimate authority over the Seraphim
    • CP 0 will presumably report directly to him
  • He's Borsalino's superior
  • He has interest in York because of the Mother Flame
  • He has met Vegapunk before
  • He also appears to be a Top Tier:
    • One of the Gorosei appears to wield the Shodai Kitetsu, a Supreme Grade sword
      • All other Supreme Grade sword wielders have been High Top Tiers (Mihawk, Roger, Whitebeard)
    • All the Gorosei appear to be Awakened Zoans users
      • And plausibly Mythical Zoans
    • They have battle scars
    • They are the "Warrior Gods"
    • They no sold a named attack from Sabo
    • Their leader Imu took Sabo down with a single attack
  • The Gorosei were given a titular chapter before the story resumed the Egghead Arc

I feel like he's the big bad here, and he's certainly no Spandam or Orochi.

I guess it remains to be seen if he's the Linlin of WCI.
For the time being it's Kizaru, Saturn is not immediately taking action.

We'll see if he's forced to come out.
 

Cinera

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#19
It’s Kizaru. Nobody even knows Saturn is there. He’s just going to pop up after everyone is defeated to try to kill Luffy
Now that York has been taken hostage he may find out that he needs to get involved sooner rather than later.


For the time being it's Kizaru, Saturn is not immediately taking action.

We'll see if he's forced to come out.
He's commanding them though. And if the Strawhats appear to successfully escape, he'll act to thwart them.
 
#20
It’s Mother Flame and Greed

Kizaru will be the human figure but that’s because of his fruit and York was the manifestation of Greed

Everything is being set up to learn the Energy of the Ancient Kingdom

this is a lore arc not a fighting arc
 
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