Current Events Alright let me get this straight when it comes to Luffy, Zoro, Kizaru, and Saturn
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Didn’t you think zoro was gonna be the hero of wano and kill kaido
I also didn’t think big mom and killer were going up. I was wrong
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possible
Yes they were comparable but kaido was stronger
Technically base kaido without conquerors oneshot oden but that’s not an accurate representation of either of their strength
I also didn’t think big mom and killer were going up. I was wrong
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possible
Yes they were comparable but kaido was stronger
Technically base kaido without conquerors oneshot oden but that’s not an accurate representation of either of their strength
I was the one who said ,
1/Zoro gonna fight against Kaido
2/He would do better and show better feats when they get grouped up .
3/He will kill Kaido .
4/He will show CoC
While u :
1/ Look Zoro is fighting Apoo Hahahahah
2/ What ? Luffy just beat a YC 1 , Zoro isn't there yet and you want him to show better Feats Hahahaha
3/ Nah he won't kill Kaido, Luffy is the MC Hahahaha
4/ Zoro won't have CoC only Luffy would have it if Zoro showed it so is Sanji which won't happen .
Let me see ; I got three things right since the start ( and ur ass disappeared ) and one of them was wrong ( you started appearing ) .
1/Zoro gonna fight against Kaido
2/He would do better and show better feats when they get grouped up .
3/He will kill Kaido .
4/He will show CoC
While u :
1/ Look Zoro is fighting Apoo Hahahahah
2/ What ? Luffy just beat a YC 1 , Zoro isn't there yet and you want him to show better Feats Hahahaha
3/ Nah he won't kill Kaido, Luffy is the MC Hahahaha
4/ Zoro won't have CoC only Luffy would have it if Zoro showed it so is Sanji which won't happen .
Let me see ; I got three things right since the start ( and ur ass disappeared ) and one of them was wrong ( you started appearing ) .
I also didn’t think big mom and killer were going up. I was wrong
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possi
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possi
You started your "argument" based on "Zorostans wants Kizaru only to prove Zoro > Luffy", after that "people putting Zoro on Kizaru/Luffy level is bad enough" and in the end "Gap between Mihawk to much"
In the end of the day Zoro vs Kizaru will happen. Will it be a short clash or a big one? Idk. Your Mihawk insecurities dont matter at all.
If OoT Zoro w/o PUs was able to fight on rooftop he's is capable to do more with his new PUs.
Didn’t you think zoro was gonna be the hero of wano and kill kaido
I also didn’t think big mom and killer were going up. I was wrong
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possible
Yes they were comparable but kaido was stronger
Technically base kaido without conquerors oneshot oden but that’s not an accurate representation of either of their strength
I also didn’t think big mom and killer were going up. I was wrong
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
Again it’s not about that
It’s about people putting zoro on luffy and kizaru’s level which is bad enough but on top of that trying to widen the gap between him and mihawk as much as possible
Yes they were comparable but kaido was stronger
Technically base kaido without conquerors oneshot oden but that’s not an accurate representation of either of their strength
Its you who can't accept the fact that Luffy and Zoro are portrayed equals since the beginning. And why is Zoro not equal to Luffy when he's trained by someone stronger than Rayleigh?
And Oden is as strong as these admirals and Zoro is the next Oden of wano. You're just insecure if you think Zoro still can't fight these admirals.
It literally doesn't matter if satrun>kizaru or not, luffy is always the first in the crew to beat a main enemy, luffy gonna defeat an admiral before anyone and luffy gonna defeat a gorosei before anyone (or imu as he is the leader), same as he beat a Warlord, yc, yonko before anyone else in the crew.
it's likely
either Saturn isn't that strong and will be opponent of Vegapunk or if imu and Gorosei are final Villains it won't make much sense for Saturn to lose here he probably won't do any thing until he see defeat is likely and they will lose so he have no choice to fight in the end and will show his power and SHs will escape somehow
i don't think a full scale war is that likely
oda already made another excuse with Handicapping Kizaru so he won't damage the island i don't think a full fight is likely
either Saturn isn't that strong and will be opponent of Vegapunk or if imu and Gorosei are final Villains it won't make much sense for Saturn to lose here he probably won't do any thing until he see defeat is likely and they will lose so he have no choice to fight in the end and will show his power and SHs will escape somehow
i don't think a full scale war is that likely
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Didn’t you think zoro was gonna be the hero of wano and kill kaido
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
I don’t care about zoro or anyone stalling admirals at this point. We’ve seen it a bunch already idc. I want to see an admiral actually go all out for once and lose
I disagree. I have current Zoro low top tier and beating the old trio.
Zoro who was already on a YC1 level on the RT based on his feats, performance and portrayal. Mastering enma and obtaining ACoC were both highlighted as significant growths that took him to a whole new level.
Mastering Emma is an incredibly difficult task. Oden was the only samurai or swordsman to ever master enma. Kaido put Oden on the same pedestal as Roger, Rocks and more. The manga told us Zoro would become stronger from just mastering enma. By Zoro mastering enma it took his already incredibly strong haki, strong enough to block hakia and scar Kaido, to a whole new level. At least at Oden's CoA haki level. It made Zoro overall stronger than King level. We saw how even when Zoro wasn't using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki King could no longer overpower or pressure Zoro. It doesn't matter how anyone looks at it, that was his own impressive growth.
Then we ACoC which is an even greater power than mastering enma. We saw how much stronger it made Luffy and Coby. ACoC is the reason Luffy was able to fight Kaido evenly and was recognized as a strong opponent by Kaido. That alone tells us just how much stronger a character can become by obtaining ACoC. Similar to Zoro, Luffy was on a YC1 level on the rooftop. It's illogical for me to believe ACoC won't have similar effects on Zoro. Zoro has crazy willpower as well.
Believing Zoro wouldn't have grown much stronger and reached at least a low top tier level from master Emma and obtaining ACoC goes against the manga.
Zoro who was already on a YC1 level on the RT based on his feats, performance and portrayal. Mastering enma and obtaining ACoC were both highlighted as significant growths that took him to a whole new level.
Mastering Emma is an incredibly difficult task. Oden was the only samurai or swordsman to ever master enma. Kaido put Oden on the same pedestal as Roger, Rocks and more. The manga told us Zoro would become stronger from just mastering enma. By Zoro mastering enma it took his already incredibly strong haki, strong enough to block hakia and scar Kaido, to a whole new level. At least at Oden's CoA haki level. It made Zoro overall stronger than King level. We saw how even when Zoro wasn't using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki King could no longer overpower or pressure Zoro. It doesn't matter how anyone looks at it, that was his own impressive growth.
Then we ACoC which is an even greater power than mastering enma. We saw how much stronger it made Luffy and Coby. ACoC is the reason Luffy was able to fight Kaido evenly and was recognized as a strong opponent by Kaido. That alone tells us just how much stronger a character can become by obtaining ACoC. Similar to Zoro, Luffy was on a YC1 level on the rooftop. It's illogical for me to believe ACoC won't have similar effects on Zoro. Zoro has crazy willpower as well.
Believing Zoro wouldn't have grown much stronger and reached at least a low top tier level from master Emma and obtaining ACoC goes against the manga.
Saturn > Borsalino.
Saturn is Borsalino's direct superior. They are not "comparable".
Borsalino isn't a peer to Mihawk either.
Shanks has already disabused us of the notion that the admirals are on par with the strongest pirates.
That's just your dumb take though.
Saturn is Borsalino's direct superior. They are not "comparable".
Borsalino isn't a peer to Mihawk either.
Shanks has already disabused us of the notion that the admirals are on par with the strongest pirates.
So yeah at the end of the day zoro beating kizaru and luffy beating slightly stronger Saturn 100% shits on luffy and kizaru
Your powerscaling is atrocious and you're projecting your atrocious powerscaling on others:
If they are going to be EOS opponents, I expect the Gorosei to be even stronger than the Admirals.
- Current Zoro isn't far from Mihawk in strength
- As Shanks demonstrated and Aramaki admitted (wrt Kaido), there is some gap between Admirals and the strongest characters in the world
If they are going to be EOS opponents, I expect the Gorosei to be even stronger than the Admirals.
