Current Events Alright let me get this straight when it comes to Luffy, Zoro, Kizaru, and Saturn

Admiral fans still believing they are on the same level as yonkos after the shitting oda gave them.

And there's no way goroseis are weak. These guys conquered the world. If they are weak, pirates could have easily taken over the world.
 
i know i get that,and i get that we dont know the limit, but you can't disregard enma draining zoro prior to the ending of 1033 ,because we know its making him tired as shown in chapter 955 oda through enma had zoro close to exausted before he chose to go all out with his haki. Thats why he was so near death. Just to provide the reminders...and my bad not 4 times i only see 3 unless i missed one.










So logically with zoro wielding enma now and it not doing any unnecessary draining from him KoH mode gets a time limit increase because none of his ryou is being wasted like it was before, also not sure if oda meant to do this and forgot to add the smoke or if this is zoro coating a blade with AdvCoc but not using excess ryou, but we do have this panel where there is no ryou being used simply adv coc.



Personal opinion it makes sense to me that zoro could use either or just like luffy/kaido can choose to touch or not touch with adv coc zoro should be able to use adv coc with excess ryou=KoH or without excess ryou and just use AdvCoc
I agree on the part that zoro can choose consciously when to apply overflowing ryou and adcoc. That was clear even in 1035. The seraphim fight also supports this. He didn't use overflowing ryou once, only base arm-hardening.

We just don't know how much stat and stamina boost zoro got after wano to accurately determine the upper limits of KoH. Logically the margin should be big from wano
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I disagree. I have current Zoro low top tier and beating the old trio.

Zoro who was already on a YC1 level on the RT based on his feats, performance and portrayal. Mastering enma and obtaining ACoC were both highlighted as significant growths that took him to a whole new level.

Mastering Emma is an incredibly difficult task. Oden was the only samurai or swordsman to ever master enma. Kaido put Oden on the same pedestal as Roger, Rocks and more. The manga told us Zoro would become stronger from just mastering enma. By Zoro mastering enma it took his already incredibly strong haki, strong enough to block hakia and scar Kaido, to a whole new level. At least at Oden's CoA haki level. It made Zoro overall stronger than King level. We saw how even when Zoro wasn't using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki King could no longer overpower or pressure Zoro. It doesn't matter how anyone looks at it, that was his own impressive growth.

Then we ACoC which is an even greater power than mastering enma. We saw how much stronger it made Luffy and Coby. ACoC is the reason Luffy was able to fight Kaido evenly and was recognized as a strong opponent by Kaido. That alone tells us just how much stronger a character can become by obtaining ACoC. Similar to Zoro, Luffy was on a YC1 level on the rooftop. It's illogical for me to believe ACoC won't have similar effects on Zoro. Zoro has crazy willpower as well.

Believing Zoro wouldn't have grown much stronger and reached at least a low top tier level from master Emma and obtaining ACoC goes against the manga.
I get that bro. Egghead zoro is considerably stronger than wano zoro. But we have no way to quantify that boost from wano PU

The only way we can find the upper limit of KoH is if he fights kizaru. But im sorry to say that's not happening.
We're completely in luffy piece now, he is the one who is going to get all the accolades now. I can guarantee you, none of the SH is getting there due credit for egghead incident except for luffy.
 
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I agree on the part that zoro can choose consciously when to apply overflowing ryou and adcoc. That was clear even in 1035. The seraphim fight also supports this. He didn't use overflowing ryou once, only base arm-hardening.

We just don't know how much stat and stamina boost zoro got after wano to accurately determine the upper limits of KoH. Logically the margin should be big from wano
Yea see I can only think the increase is big law was able to use haki to negate df and go immediately into awakening to fight bb, Kidd went from one rail gun beam to multiple to which shanks said the damage was to extreme… law and Kidd got a buff I can only think that luffy and zoro will also get said buff
 
Yea see I can only think the increase is big law was able to use haki to negate df and go immediately into awakening to fight bb, Kidd went from one rail gun beam to multiple to which shanks said the damage was to extreme… law and Kidd got a buff I can only think that luffy and zoro will also get said buff
Yeah let's see what happens.

I just don't think zoro vs kizaru is happening at all tho.
Who do you think could be a good opponent other than that?
 
Yeah let's see what happens.

I just don't think zoro vs kizaru is happening at all tho.
Who do you think could be a good opponent other than that?
Surprise Va maybe… I see some talking about some of them are zodiac based so maybe one of those although truthfully unless they have adv coc idk what they would do… I feel like both luffy and zoro have the haki needed to negate broken dfs like law who doesn’t have broken haki at all. Seraphim just feel like tools Saturn will kidnap in the end.
 
Surprise Va maybe… I see some talking about some of them are zodiac based so maybe one of those although truthfully unless they have adv coc idk what they would do… I feel like both luffy and zoro have the haki needed to negate broken dfs like law who doesn’t have broken haki at all. Seraphim just feel like tools Saturn will kidnap in the end.
What if Long Beard is actually the Son of Figarland Garling!?..

:crazwhat::crazwhat::crazwhat:
 
Surprise Va maybe… I see some talking about some of them are zodiac based so maybe one of those although truthfully unless they have adv coc idk what they would do… I feel like both luffy and zoro have the haki needed to negate broken dfs like law who doesn’t have broken haki at all. Seraphim just feel like tools Saturn will kidnap in the end.
Honestly zoro fighting a seraph again would be much better than a VA. Its crazy to me that some people want zoro to struggle against a VA. That is literally regression for zoro
 
well
Loda whow worship and jerk on his son g5, he will not let this chance to meke his son have W on Admiral.
Never will miss it , While at same time cuz of the existence of more powerful villain and threatened character at same place, Also he doesn't need to prove any shit of g5 lvl cuz he already defeated strongest creature, it's just expected result if g5 is already younku or above younko lvl.


SO ACCORDING TO THIS it depends on Loda shit writing ✍, and what he want to do .

1- if he wanted to make saturn watch g5 and hype him from behind then clash with him at the end or defeate g5 after his fight with kizaru , then yeah it will be just luffy vs kizaru as main fight .

2-if he plan to involve saturn early then someone has to deal with kizaru if g5 is busy with saturn from early on and nothing is better than zolo, unless if oda making him fight sentomaro lol.
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while va are fkn useless and don't hold anythreat to jinbe sanji zolo luccci kaku etc

remember that there's no rule for this
Loda can make va strong as yc1 or even Admiral if he wanted ,LoDa can pull anything from his ass.
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Also oda's fkn shit writter who doesn't give a fuck about his writing unless it related to his sex toy~ i mean g5
so zolo dans forgot what kizaru did to zolo .

for me i prefer zoro vs kizaru , but i dont mind strong yc1 as va if it only is Doll :shocking:

 
What if Long Beard is actually the Son of Figarland Garling!?..

:crazwhat::crazwhat::crazwhat:
:gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh::neesama: This would be a twist
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Honestly zoro fighting a seraph again would be much better than a VA. Its crazy to me that some people want zoro to struggle against a VA. That is literally regression for zoro
But see that’s my thing it’s the same thing for me with a seraphim… zoro already alluded/proved in his fight with king that with adv coc he was able to scare a adult lunarian to cut his flame off and defeat him even though it’s been skipped and we don’t know if luffy and zoro used adv coc or if they just made York stop them the seraphim shouldn’t hold a candle to luffy and zoro that’s why I can only see them going for the top two Saturn and Kizaru
 
But see that’s my thing it’s the same thing for me with a seraphim… zoro already alluded/proved in his fight with king that with adv coc he was able to scare a adult lunarian to cut his flame off and defeat him even though it’s been skipped and we don’t know if luffy and zoro used adv coc or if they just made York stop them the seraphim shouldn’t hold a candle to luffy and zoro that’s why I can only see them going for the top two Saturn and Kizaru
For me its simple really

There is no proof that the VAs will be stronger than a Seraph. Both feats/portrayal back up the seraphims

And i dont want zoro to struggle against someone who is weaker than a seraphim. And im damn sure oda will make zoro struggle against VA if he fights a VA cuz it satisfies his mc underdog fetish.
 
DarkWitch is a clown, but he is right on the money with this thread

Could Zoro fight Kizaru? I wont deny there is a payback narrative from Sabaody, but thats nowhere enough for Lolda to change his pattern of Luffy fighting the strongest in an arc. Lolda is insecure when it comes to Luffy, he will never allow Zoro to shine brighter than his perfect boy.

If one of the 9 turns out to be a zodiac VA, I dont see the issue here for the Zoro fans. Momousagi and Chaton being admiral candidates is no joke.
 
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