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- After Shin becomes general a banquet is held at his resident that lasted for 3 days and 3 nights
- Multiple members of the HSU are promoted with Shin having 10k and Kyoukai 5k for a combined total of 15k
- The HSU heads out to train and then a month later Shouheikun orders them to set out for Gyou
- Bihei's men tell him how impressive it is that he got promoted to 100 men commander and how it might even be more impressive than Shin's promotion, he tells them he wants to go back and ask for his promotion to be cancelled because it's too much for him to handle the responsibility of commanding 100 lives, 10 people was just right for him.
- Ton brothers show up telling Bihei not to worry since they joined his unit
- Ton brothers show up telling Bihei not to worry since they joined his unit
- Gaku Ka army shows up, Shin meets up with Mouten and his new lieutenant Aisen who came from Moubu's army, Mouten tells him Gyoku Hou set out a day later but they're also heading to Gyou.
- Mouten comments that now their combined troops of 35k are enough to wage war on their own.
- Shin agrees saying ofc since they're generals now but that he won't stop here, he's aiming higher, to become a great general of the heavens.
- Mouten asks Aisen if he thinks Shin is interesting and, Aisen says no.
- Mouten says that now they're either gonna sense excitment or tension because it's finally time to conquer Kantan, they're gonna start a fight with the goal of annhiliating Zhao and Shin says that's just excitment, Aisen agrees.
- Mouten agrees but says that from now on it's gonna be much more difficult than Gyou, Zhao gave up half their territory and its army retreated. Which means the majority of their army is welded, solidly defending Kantan. There are two powerful fortresses around Kantan, namely Bu'An and Hango.
- Mouten explains that from their side they have to develop a grand strategy with the aim of taking Kantan using Gyou, their vanguard. He also says it's the best opportunity given that Riboku is still in prison, they have to invade them little by little.
- Shin says there are rumors of Riboku getting the capital punishment and Mouten says that would be convenient for them.
- Shin says he doesn't want that to happen, he wants to beat Riboku with his own hands, Riboku the main who defeated general Ouki, he wants to beat him and become a great general of the heavens.
- Mouten says if Riboku dies on his own, tens of millions of lives would be sparred and Shin says he knows, then Mouten tells him if he knows he shouldn't says this type of thing so loudly with such ease.
- Mouten says he admires Riboku, he fights for his country more than anyone else in China but even so, if he dies like this from an execution he would feel bad, but that's why they shouldn't complain about it.
- Shin says "so he's really going to be executed" and Mouten says according to the master(I'm assuming it's his master, the chief of military) it's only a matter of time.
- In Zhao, Kantan We see some people trying to get information from someone by threatening his life and his children, they're asking him where Riboku cell is located. He tells them Riboku is in the underground of the Hokuki Pavillon. Kaine heads there with her men but once they arrive they find soldiers waiting for them, realizing it's a trap.
- Shinshuiju learns of the failure of Kaine and how it was a trap, he sets out and says he needs 10 people.
- We are told that in the heart of Kantan, Riboko loyalist are resorting to force to save him, We're told that many big characters from Kantan would rebel for good if RBK were to be killed, the court responds by mobilizing the royal guard which will lead to a bloodpath from both sides and a civil war.
- Kaines arrives injured somwhere, then someones comes in saying the unit that attacked Minister Rin's residence has given a report saying Riboku is in the underground of the Togo Pavillon. One of the men who hears the news says "It's the Togo Pavillion this time ?" showing that this isn't the first time they've been lured to a trap. they start discussing that this might be another trap and that they need to get more information.
- Kaine tells them to heal her so she can head to Togo, they ask her what can she do in her condition by herself and she tells them to hurry up and heal her
Summary by our very own Jirachier
- After Shin becomes general a banquet is held at his resident that lasted for 3 days and 3 nights
- Multiple members of the HSU are promoted with Shin having 10k and Kyoukai 5k for a combined total of 15k
- The HSU heads out to train and then a month later Shouheikun orders them to set out for Gyou
- Bihei's men tell him how impressive it is that he got promoted to 100 men commander and how it might even be more impressive than Shin's promotion, he tells them he wants to go back and ask for his promotion to be cancelled because it's too much for him to handle the responsibility of commanding 100 lives, 10 people was just right for him.
- Ton brothers show up telling Bihei not to worry since they joined his unit
- Ton brothers show up telling Bihei not to worry since they joined his unit
- Gaku Ka army shows up, Shin meets up with Mouten and his new lieutenant Aisen who came from Moubu's army, Mouten tells him Gyoku Hou set out a day later but they're also heading to Gyou.
- Mouten comments that now their combined troops of 35k are enough to wage war on their own.
- Shin agrees saying ofc since they're generals now but that he won't stop here, he's aiming higher, to become a great general of the heavens.
- Mouten asks Aisen if he thinks Shin is interesting and, Aisen says no.
- Mouten says that now they're either gonna sense excitment or tension because it's finally time to conquer Kantan, they're gonna start a fight with the goal of annhiliating Zhao and Shin says that's just excitment, Aisen agrees.
- Mouten agrees but says that from now on it's gonna be much more difficult than Gyou, Zhao gave up half their territory and its army retreated. Which means the majority of their army is welded, solidly defending Kantan. There are two powerful fortresses around Kantan, namely Bu'An and Hango.
- Mouten explains that from their side they have to develop a grand strategy with the aim of taking Kantan using Gyou, their vanguard. He also says it's the best opportunity given that Riboku is still in prison, they have to invade them little by little.
- Shin says there are rumors of Riboku getting the capital punishment and Mouten says that would be convenient for them.
- Shin says he doesn't want that to happen, he wants to beat Riboku with his own hands, Riboku the main who defeated general Ouki, he wants to beat him and become a great general of the heavens.
- Mouten says if Riboku dies on his own, tens of millions of lives would be sparred and Shin says he knows, then Mouten tells him if he knows he shouldn't says this type of thing so loudly with such ease.
- Mouten says he admires Riboku, he fights for his country more than anyone else in China but even so, if he dies like this from an execution he would feel bad, but that's why they shouldn't complain about it.
- Shin says "so he's really going to be executed" and Mouten says according to the master(I'm assuming it's his master, the chief of military) it's only a matter of time.
- In Zhao, Kantan We see some people trying to get information from someone by threatening his life and his children, they're asking him where Riboku cell is located. He tells them Riboku is in the underground of the Hokuki Pavillon. Kaine heads there with her men but once they arrive they find soldiers waiting for them, realizing it's a trap.
- Shinshuiju learns of the failure of Kaine and how it was a trap, he sets out and says he needs 10 people.
- We are told that in the heart of Kantan, Riboko loyalist are resorting to force to save him, We're told that many big characters from Kantan would rebel for good if RBK were to be killed, the court responds by mobilizing the royal guard which will lead to a bloodpath from both sides and a civil war.
- Kaines arrives injured somwhere, then someones comes in saying the unit that attacked Minister Rin's residence has given a report saying Riboku is in the underground of the Togo Pavillon. One of the men who hears the news says "It's the Togo Pavillion this time ?" showing that this isn't the first time they've been lured to a trap. they start discussing that this might be another trap and that they need to get more information.
- Kaine tells them to heal her so she can head to Togo, they ask her what can she do in her condition by herself and she tells them to hurry up and heal her
Summary by our very own Jirachier
The final part
- We see Toujou asking Kakukai if he hasn't killed RBK yet, Kakukai responds that he's waiting to eliminate more of his loyalists, if they lose their master they would form a terrorist unit and will come to attack them for certain. Toujou asks him if he implies that he will be in danger ? Kakukai responds that nothing will happen to his majesty but that he(Kakukai) might die. As Toujou's most loyal servant he fears that his death would create discomfort to his majesty, Tojou tells laughs and says he's insolent.
- Kakukai tells Toujou not to worry, the loyalists numbers have already diminished, it won't take long, and asks Toukou to have faith in him.
- Toujou tells him to hurry, he keeps getting many ideas of atrocious ways to kill Riboku. In front of all of Kantan Toujou wants to kill RBK in a way so abominable that future generations will talk about it more and more. Kakukai laughs and says he's rejoicing of it already.
- We see Toujou asking Kakukai if he hasn't killed RBK yet, Kakukai responds that he's waiting to eliminate more of his loyalists, if they lose their master they would form a terrorist unit and will come to attack them for certain. Toujou asks him if he implies that he will be in danger ? Kakukai responds that nothing will happen to his majesty but that he(Kakukai) might die. As Toujou's most loyal servant he fears that his death would create discomfort to his majesty, Tojou tells laughs and says he's insolent.
- Kakukai tells Toujou not to worry, the loyalists numbers have already diminished, it won't take long, and asks Toukou to have faith in him.
- Toujou tells him to hurry, he keeps getting many ideas of atrocious ways to kill Riboku. In front of all of Kantan Toujou wants to kill RBK in a way so abominable that future generations will talk about it more and more. Kakukai laughs and says he's rejoicing of it already.
I assume it will probably be the Hi Shin Army since...
It is either now or never for the Qin military to crush Zhao for good. Zhao’s only Great Heaven in Riboku is currently imprisoned and Kantan is dealing with a civil war.
Fate could not have made the stars align more perfectly for Qin than the situation currently unfolding right now.
Moubu would be a questionable choice to lead this campaign.
Moubu performs at his best in open field battles whereas the invasion of Kantan and the area surrounding it looks like it is going to involve numerous siege battles.
Also, Moubu is currently posted on the Chu border to prevent any incursions and there are already three Great General level Qin Generals around Kantan.
Besides, we do have a new General. General Ri Shin.
Shin’s fifth generation descendant Li Guang was known as the “Flying General” which in this story is an epithet that is probably going to originate from Shin and his Fei Xin/Hi Shin “flying” theme.
Fuck this i can't have Zhao again 
Fate could not have made the stars align more perfectly for Qin than the situation currently unfolding right now.
Moubu would be a questionable choice to lead this campaign.
Moubu performs at his best in open field battles whereas the invasion of Kantan and the area surrounding it looks like it is going to involve numerous siege battles.
Also, Moubu is currently posted on the Chu border to prevent any incursions and there are already three Great General level Qin Generals around Kantan.
Besides, we do have a new General. General Ri Shin.
I assume it will probably be the Hi Shin Army since...
It is either now or never for the Qin military to crush Zhao for good. Zhao’s only Great Heaven in Riboku is currently imprisoned and Kantan is dealing with a civil war.
Fate could not have made the stars align more perfectly for Qin than the situation currently unfolding right now.
Moubu would be a questionable choice to lead this campaign.
Moubu performs at his best in open field battles whereas the invasion of Kantan and the area surrounding it looks like it is going to involve numerous siege battles.
Also, Moubu is currently posted on the Chu border to prevent any incursions and there are already three Great General level Qin Generals around Kantan.
Besides, we do have a new General. General Ri Shin.
Shin’s fifth generation descendant Li Guang was known as the “Flying General” which in this story is an epithet that is probably going to originate from Shin and his Fei Xin/Hi Shin “flying” theme.
It is either now or never for the Qin military to crush Zhao for good. Zhao’s only Great Heaven in Riboku is currently imprisoned and Kantan is dealing with a civil war.
Fate could not have made the stars align more perfectly for Qin than the situation currently unfolding right now.
Moubu would be a questionable choice to lead this campaign.
Moubu performs at his best in open field battles whereas the invasion of Kantan and the area surrounding it looks like it is going to involve numerous siege battles.
Also, Moubu is currently posted on the Chu border to prevent any incursions and there are already three Great General level Qin Generals around Kantan.
Besides, we do have a new General. General Ri Shin.
Hara should have had Ousen fight Kochu in an stalemate for a couple weeks without shin being there so mainly offscreen and then have Han or chu take advantage and attack Xin with a small army and could have gone for 30 chapters or something so that Zhao doesn't get boring
Why does it matter? Lol.
So you basically want Hara to have 30 chapters of filler messing around with the Han military and it’s absolute nobody Generals attacking Shin for no reason instead of the fleshed out Qin and Zhao militaries having their logically built up, fated showdown over the Zhao capital Kantan?
On a side note, Chu would have to teleport across half of China to get to Shin. That makes no sense.
So you basically want Hara to have 30 chapters of filler messing around with the Han military and it’s absolute nobody Generals attacking Shin for no reason instead of the fleshed out Qin and Zhao militaries having their logically built up, fated showdown over the Zhao capital Kantan?
On a side note, Chu would have to teleport across half of China to get to Shin. That makes no sense.
I honestly would but it doesn't have to be filler lol we know nothing about han have a small arc about them like the fire dragons of wei arc and introduce their Generals and King also shin could have had his first campaign leading the whole army since he just became a general
They already have a border with Xin
I guess i just have to drop the manga for a couple month
They already have a border with Xin
I guess i just have to drop the manga for a couple month
That makes more narrative sense than Han specifically striking out at Shin but while it is possible, such a course of action is inadvisable.
Wei will still be able to send troops to Han from it’s southern territories if Qin attempts to seriously invade Han. Shin only has an army of 20,000 men. His army will get overwhelmed.
Han will likely be permanently defeated in the future in a single arc. Han will show all it’s military capabilities then.
Shin is nowhere near that border though. Moubu would also have to be defeated as well.
The saddest death this arc. Mouten sama’s lovely luscious locks. RIP.
Han will likely be permanently defeated in the future in a single arc. Han will show all it’s military capabilities then.
Shin is nowhere near that border though. Moubu would also have to be defeated as well.
The saddest death this arc. Mouten sama’s lovely luscious locks. RIP.
Unlike before whn i believed Hara will definitely make Shin defeat Riboku, i am not longer firm on my opinion.
I think these above lines suggests Riboku might be executed. I take this as Hara hinting through Mouten that he also somewhat consider Shin words as bit selfish ones and Riboku executed is better way. If that the case, Shin previous declaration about beating Riboku might not be as valid and Hara could go either way with Riboku.
I think these above lines suggests Riboku might be executed. I take this as Hara hinting through Mouten that he also somewhat consider Shin words as bit selfish ones and Riboku executed is better way. If that the case, Shin previous declaration about beating Riboku might not be as valid and Hara could go either way with Riboku.
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To be fair, Hara has subverted the pure historical path a couple of times.
Tonryuu Arc had Seikyou stay loyal to Ei Sei and being framed for a rebellion instead of just outright rebelling and Heki manages to survive on a technicality.
The end of Ai’s rebellion also had Sei “officially” put Rou Ai’s children to death as in real life Sei would have done.
Unofficially in the story however...
Making Sei a child killer as he historically would have been, would have led to a colossal loss of sympathy for Sei from most readers which would be problematic when Sei’s motivations are the driving force behind the entire story.
Following history to the letter does not always make for the best story. I can assure you that films such as Zulu would have been far more dull if they were historically accurate and less romanticised.
If Hara wants to, he will think of a way to keep Riboku alive. For example, Hara could create a situation where Riboku’s subordinates break him out but one of them stays behind to act as a “fake” Riboku while the “real” Riboku escapes.
If the deception is never uncovered then everything goes off smoothly for Riboku.
If the deception is uncovered, then Kakukai (or whatever Zhao official/officials is/are in charge of detaining and executing Riboku) will also pretend it is Riboku if only to save face and prevent themselves from also getting executed for their incompetence.
Riboku dying to execution seems narratively weird when him and Shin have unfinished business.
Tonryuu Arc had Seikyou stay loyal to Ei Sei and being framed for a rebellion instead of just outright rebelling and Heki manages to survive on a technicality.
The end of Ai’s rebellion also had Sei “officially” put Rou Ai’s children to death as in real life Sei would have done.
Unofficially in the story however...
Following history to the letter does not always make for the best story. I can assure you that films such as Zulu would have been far more dull if they were historically accurate and less romanticised.
If Hara wants to, he will think of a way to keep Riboku alive. For example, Hara could create a situation where Riboku’s subordinates break him out but one of them stays behind to act as a “fake” Riboku while the “real” Riboku escapes.
If the deception is never uncovered then everything goes off smoothly for Riboku.
If the deception is uncovered, then Kakukai (or whatever Zhao official/officials is/are in charge of detaining and executing Riboku) will also pretend it is Riboku if only to save face and prevent themselves from also getting executed for their incompetence.
Riboku dying to execution seems narratively weird when him and Shin have unfinished business.
Like the fact that they are related. 
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Yeah if Riboku escapes here (which I want him to) I wonder how he’ll actually die in the manga? Will the Zhao go out of their way to re-capture and execute him? That would be quite outrageous lol, and would certainly solidify their destruction at Qin hands being their own fault..I don’t think Riboku should die any other way tbh
Yes, but those were done by a good reason, in my opinion.
Like these two instances for example:
Seikyou being framed to do a rebellion instead of actually doing ones is actually not entirely "wrong". Because often in real life history, there are alot of instances where the siblings of the King were framed of a rebellion when they actually didn't commit ones. All of it were done to justify the King or "his supporters" to kill those siblings to solidify the King's claims of the throne.
So we don't truly know of what actually happened in the actual history of this part of story. So, for Hara to choose to take this route is pretty understandable.
Yes, if Hara wanted to stay true on this part, then killing those children would have been the right choice. But your post below is what I think forces Hara to choose to take a different route.
As for Riboku's execution, I still don't see any good reason (outside of the Kingdom-verse) on why it should be changed. As for the in-verse reason, I would agree that seeing Shin being the one who defeats him would be more satisfying.
Like these two instances for example:
Tonryuu Arc had Seikyou stay loyal to Ei Sei and being framed for a rebellion instead of just outright rebelling and Heki manages to survive on a technicality.
So we don't truly know of what actually happened in the actual history of this part of story. So, for Hara to choose to take this route is pretty understandable.
The end of Ai’s rebellion also had Sei “officially” put Rou Ai’s children to death as in real life Sei would have done.
Unofficially in the story however...
Making Sei a child killer as he historically would have been, would have led to a colossal loss of sympathy for Sei from most readers which would be problematic when Sei’s motivations are the driving force behind the entire story.
As for Riboku's execution, I still don't see any good reason (outside of the Kingdom-verse) on why it should be changed. As for the in-verse reason, I would agree that seeing Shin being the one who defeats him would be more satisfying.