Kid is dead, dawg, neither the residents of Elbaf or the captain of the crew he attacked for at least the second time seemed inclined to pull his magnetic ass out of the ocean. Law may be close, but I’d guess even Oda knows there’s no utility in bringing him right back into the fold and therefore no reason to have him magically end up there
No, Oda doesn’t have the balls to off someone like him just yet…but you read that chapter, he got rocked harder than almost anyone else we’ve seen lose a fight in this series, he’s not gonna be hanging around or even conscious while Luffy’s there
It’s literally been hinted at multiple times (Ohara flashback, Vegapunk’s request) and it’s their current goal at the moment.
Oda is known to throw curveballs once in a while. Considering all the buildup, we’re almost definitely going to Elbaf next. I don’t know of any islands that would make sense besides Wano, and the reasons for returning there are small.
Nobody could guess Egghead although we could guess Vegapunk. I'm betting on Dragon/Revos now.
Everybody thought Elbaf was right after Wano but here we are. I don't think we have anything to do at Elbaf right now. Elbaf can fit right before final war. But not right now.
Nobody could guess Egghead although we could guess Vegapunk. I'm betting on Dragon/Revos now.
Everybody thought Elbaf was right after Wano but here we are. I don't think we have anything to do at Elbaf right now. Elbaf can fit right before final war. But not right now.
Nobody could guess "Egghead" because the name of island wasnt never mentioned prior you dolt. Guessing "Vegapunk" being next after Wano is the exact same thing lmao, which I was doing myself for multiple years.
Elbaf can fit next because its literally the next fucking island, fantastic logic bro.
This exact argument is why your logic doesnt work. We are at the "endgame" of the series and to have the expectation that Oda can follow the same "leave them be" design to characters disappearing and coming back after years does not apply anymore.
You basically didn't read then. I said that Oda proved to be able to work multiple characters in the same arc. We don't have to disappear with Law and Kid. He just showed that. We had Law plot, Kid's, Garp's, Sabo's...
Hell, the entire characterization of Jinbe is something Oda has never done before. Pre-TS ally that was way stronger than Luffy. Doesnt join initially in FI, then joins at WCI, only to disappear for another 80 chapters before he returned as a Strawhat.
What "rule" does there have to be that Kid and Law "cant" show back up in the story in 40-80 chapters after leaving? Hell, the fact that Oda updated us on them losing only 10-20 chapters after Wano should tell you the storytelling method is changing
Again... They are being showed up without having to be together with main protagonists.
And yeah just like I said his story telling changed to the point where we don't need to have characters together with crew to develop their sideline plots.
Nobody could guess "Egghead" because the name of island wasnt never mentioned prior you dolt. Guessing "Vegapunk" being next after Wano is the exact same thing lmao, which I was doing myself for multiple years.
Elbaf can fit next because its literally the next fucking island, fantastic logic bro.
I never said that Elbaf doesn't fix. Just saying it is too obvious of a choice. Just like no one could ever guess WCI being next to Zou until the end of it. Everybody was vibing for Wano already.
At Sabaody we were ready to visit Fishmen Island but then we had the whole Marineford War and timeskip.
Fucking why? Kid will ally to Teach just because he lost to Shanks?
I bet Kid sees Teach just like he saw Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks. Enemies that he must take down and has 0 possibilities of allying to him. Unlike Luffy that is just a rival and his threats of battling to death with him are meaningless.
I have no interest in an Elbaf Arc. Going to Elbaf means that Oda will be drawing a bunch of goofy ass giants with terrible character designs. Don't we have enough of that in One Piece?
Years of build-up like Wano had just for it to be a disappointment. Imagine if Oda takes that as an opportunity to re-introduce Big Mom back into the story. LOL
Good point I almost forgot since Oda is always messing up with his own timeline. He gave us very short time to finish. With that in mind we don't have time for Elbaf.
I even wrote a thread about why Elbaf is an important arc, but I didn't post it
Because somehow this island was disappointing for me, but the events happening in the manga prove that we will go to Elbaf one day.
It may not be the most important arc of One Piece or even the next arc, but we will definitely have an Elbaf story
This is literally the last point in the story where Elbaf can get its own arc, every other feasible place is either important enough to be part of the endgame or not important at all. Also, didn’t we see both Law and Kid get their shit absolutely rocked? What makes you think either one is showing up in the land of the giants like nothing happened?
Kid is dead, dawg, neither the residents of Elbaf nor the captain of the crew he attacked for at least the second time seemed inclined to pull his magnetic ass out of the ocean. Law may be close, but I’d guess even Oda knows there’s no utility in bringing him right back into the fold and therefore no reason to have him magically end up there
Yes Kid situation is way too hard to imagine something. We saw him and Killer sinking and we are not sure what happened to the rest of his crew. Maybe someone there can still save them?
This is One Piece. I still believe Pedro will show up at some point.
You basically didn't read then. I said that Oda proved to be able to work multiple characters in the same arc. We don't have to disappear with Law and Kid. He just showed that. We had Law plot, Kid's, Garp's, Sabo's...
Again you did not read. I'm saying about characters that were already on the current time but in another islands getting enough focus.
Zoro was way stronger than Luffy.
Yamato will be just the same as Jinbei.
Again... They are being showed up without having to be together with main protagonists.
And yeah just like I said his story telling changed to the point where we don't need to have characters together with crew to develop their sideline plots.
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I never said that Elbaf doesn't fix. Just saying it is too obvious of a choice. Just like no one could ever guess WCI being next to Zou until the end of it. Everybody was vibing for Wano already.
At Sabaody we were ready to visit Fishmen Island but then we had the whole Marineford War and timeskip.
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Nothing interested there. Lako Lama.
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Fucking why? Kid will ally to Teach just because he lost to Shanks?
I bet Kid sees Teach just like he saw Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks. Enemies that he must take down and has 0 possibilities of allying to him. Unlike Luffy that is just a rival and his threats of battling to death with him are meaningless.
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Good point I almost forgot since Oda is always messing up with his own timeline. He gave us very short time to finish. With that in mind we don't have time for Elbaf.
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I'm already beating in going there for a chapter at most. Not a full arc. Even a small one like Return of Sabaody or Reverie.
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Based on what?
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Fishmen Island was confirmed next to Sabaody. Guess what happened?
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If you read I explained.
Kid was defeated in Elbaf. LOL. And he doesn't have Bepo to swim him to somewhere else. He can just remain there.
While Law was defeated next to Elbaf and Bepo is swimming with him to another place that can be Elbaf.
So the possibility exists.
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I have high bets on Man Marked By Flames being at Lodestar more than anywhere else.
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Maybe Law is not going there but somewhere else? Next Island? Maybe Lodestar? Idk where that shit is.
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I hardly doubt it. He just had survive on his mind.
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Yes Kid situation is way too hard to imagine something. We saw him and Killer sinking and we are not sure what happened to the rest of his crew. Maybe someone there can still save them?
This is One Piece. I still believe Pedro will show up at some point.
Lerrera, in multiple other threads for months, I have read the same arguments from you over and over. I understand what you are trying to say. It is frankly nonsense because it does not matter.
I have given you the one thing you should have acknowledged months ago as the reason we are going to Elbaf: Oda is entirely, to this day, hiding the island behind a silhoutte. Not only did I explain this to you, I broke it down for you as to why this absolutely the case, but you choose to ignore it
For all of your "he focuses so much on Kid and Law", realize that he did not "hide" Winner Island behind a Silhoutte, yet did NOT allow Kid to even reach Elbaf, nor actually reveal the island.
This is because he 150% intends to have Luffy and crew react to the island in a double spread when they arrive.
Lerrera, in multiple other threads for months, I have read the same arguments from you over and over. I understand what you are trying to say. It is frankly nonsense because it does not matter.
I have given you the one thing you should have acknowledged months ago as the reason we are going to Elbaf: Oda is entirely, to this day, hiding the island behind a silhoutte. Not only did I explain this to you, I broke it down for you as to why this absolutely the case, but you choose to ignore it
And you failed to proof any other island that was hide in silhoutte that we visited afterwards. Elbaf would be the first case.
That doesn't change a shit. Doesn't explain a shit. We still didn't visited Elbaf. And even with they saying that they aim to go Elbaf right now they won't make it.
You understand what I'm saying but you can't express that you really understood? Ok...
And you failed to proof any other island that was hide in silhoutte that we visited afterwards. Elbaf would be the first case.
That doesn't change a shit. Doesn't explain a shit. We still didn't visited Elbaf. And even with they saying that they aim to go Elbaf right now they won't make it.
Dude, its becaue Elbaf is quite literally the only example of characters having flashbacks or going there BEFORE Luffy goes there. And even then, it still exists in the context of other characters mentioning islands. Here you go:
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Marineford:
2 locations we visit that are hinted and teased prior with incomplete drawings or silhouettes.
Now tell me, whats the next excuse going to be lol?
Dude, its becaue Elbaf is quite literally the only example of characters having flashbacks or going there BEFORE Luffy goes there. And even then, it still exists in the context of other characters mentioning islands. Here you go:
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Marineford:
2 locations we visit that are hinted and teased prior with incomplete drawings or silhouettes.
Now tell me, whats the next excuse going to be lol?
This is not hiding. People are mentioning it. It is way different from Elbaf when Oda is showing the island but with silhoutte. Not someone talking about the island.
And Marineford only the people are in silhoutte.
By the way if you analyzing a little, using 2 brain cells, you will notice how only Luffy went to those locations. Not all Strawhats.
Nobody could guess Egghead although we could guess Vegapunk. I'm betting on Dragon/Revos now.
Everybody thought Elbaf was right after Wano but here we are. I don't think we have anything to do at Elbaf right now. Elbaf can fit right before final war. But not right now.
We don’t even know much of anything about Elbaf, lol. Wano was first mentioned during Thriller Bark and nothing much was said until Punk Hazard if I remember correctly.
To say that we don’t have anything to do at Elbaf right now when we don’t even know much about it is ridiculous.
Wanna know what I think? We could learn more about the Ancient History, what happened after Ohara and Usopp could finally get the character development he NEEDS.
It is crucial that the Straw Hats get more development before the final arc, and if you ask me, Usopp is the one who needs it the most.
We don’t even know much of anything about Elbaf, lol. Wano was first mentioned during Thriller Bark and nothing much was said until Punk Hazard if I remember correctly.
To say that we don’t have anything to do at Elbaf right now when we don’t even know much about it is ridiculous.
Wanna know what I think? We could learn more about the Ancient History, what happened after Ohara and Usopp could finally get the character development he NEEDS.
It is crucial that the Straw Hats get more development before the final arc, and if you ask me, Usopp is the one who needs it the most.
If we don't know much about one place then it is obvious that we don't have much to do there. Lol.
I think Poneglyphs will tell us about Ancient History not Ohara books. They are meant for that. So we need find Rio Poneglyph to learn about it. Unless Rio Poneglyph is at Elbaf (which we don't have any info about it right now) we don't have much reason to go there.
We already know what happened after Ohara. Saul survived. Saved the books. Called his Giant friends and brought all books to Elbaf where Vegapunk read all of it and saved the info in his powerfull brain.
Usopp can have a character development anywhere. We don't need Elbaf for that.
It is not crucial that Strawhats gets more development before final arc. WTF? Timeskip is pretty explicit about all Strawhats being already well developed. Only Jinbei needed his development at Fishmen Island. Maybe he needs a bit more. Even Yamato is already well developed.
If we don't know much about one place then it is obvious that we don't have much to do there. Lol.
I think Poneglyphs will tell us about Ancient History not Ohara books. They are meant for that. So we need find Rio Poneglyph to learn about it. Unless Rio Poneglyph is at Elbaf (which we don't have any info about it right now) we don't have much reason to go there.
We already know what happened after Ohara. Saul survived. Saved the books. Called his Giant friends and brought all books to Elbaf where Vegapunk read all of it and saved the info in his powerfull brain.
Usopp can have a character development anywhere. We don't need Elbaf for that.
It is not crucial that Strawhats gets more development before final arc. WTF? Timeskip is pretty explicit about all Strawhats being already well developed. Only Jinbei needed his development at Fishmen Island. Maybe he needs a bit more. Even Yamato is already well developed.
If they didn’t need more development then why do characters like Usopp, Chopper and Brook still feel like they’re lacking? Usopp is still a coward who does nothing almost every arc, Chopper is treated like a mascot and Brook is useful at times, but he usually does one thing and that’s about it.
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