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Except he wasnt trying to beat Luffy with it he just wanted to BFR him so he could get to VP.
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Thoughts about what Kizaru said about VP?
Its trash. Kizaru about to turn on the marines for no reason. At the end its everyone against Imu. Even GB and Sakazuki will be Luffys best friends.
 
I have no clue where this Barrier haki headcanon creeped in.

Just looking at how the two fights were shown - Kizaru being angry & capturing 500 pirates to vent his frustrations after failing to best Rayleigh v. casually kicking Snakeman Luffy out of the Island.

It's very clear which fight was the more tougher one.
Lol, *causally* kicking a Luffy blindsided by the light who didn't use haki to protect and that lasted for like 1 sec. Your brain and eyes need treatment. You talk as if the fight is over. Kizaru is sweating in Luffy's hand. Luffy hasn't used advanced haki yet but ofc you guys have failed reason, sight, brain and education so stay deluded.
 
we need to stop pretending luffy needs acoc to fight competitively against every top tier esp one that isnt going all out
kaido had thick scales
you could barely hurt him without it
different case here .
I'd have issue with it if Kizaru was shown to be seriously struggling
Ain't the case here, the opposite actually. Completely dunked on Luffy in this snakeman sequence
 

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Rayleigh expressed no desire to get to the SHs, he was there to stop Kizaru in his tracks and that was what he did.
Kizaru expressed a desire to get to SHs and why didn't he BFR Rayleigh like he did to Luffy and move on?
But rather actually took the guy seriously and then vented his frustrations?
 
What , how is he losing the man get 1 kick .
This was always going to end up being a G5 fight unless you think new power up don't get use .
Both Luffy and Kizaru will get some more hits in over next few chapters.
Fight looks over. Kizaru said he's not there to kill VP.

Saturn must be a real monster with his Ushi-oni powers.
 
we need to stop pretending luffy needs acoc to fight competitively against every top tier esp one that isnt going all out
kaido had thick scales
you could barely hurt him without it
different case here .
Nobody immediately jumps to advanced stuff in one piece from the beginning, you can make the argument that they are conserving strength, but it's more of a plot thing since fights would be over way too quick if the top tiers immediately went all out. On top of that Oda made it impossible to understand when CoC is being used or not. Unless there are big sparks, which can occur with armament as well, you can't really tell.
 
Huh? He said he wishes he could help some more but dealing with Kizaru was what all he could do, is that what you are refering to?
No remember when Kizaru teased Rayleigh saying "my subordinates are quite strong themselves aren't they ?".
Sentomaru and Pacifista were clapping the crew then and Ray actually wanted to help them.
 
He did stall Rayleigh in his own swordmanship
Kizaru is still primarily a kicker. Despite being alla rounder
Is Katakuri not a brawler anymore because he's also skilled in kicking, spears and sniping?
Just cause katakuri used kicks as much as fists, doesn't mean he's not primarily a brawler

He fought Rayleigh with a sword because he's a swordsman.
Also his sword is like Katakuri's mogura...they use it only for sometime
When going all out, kizaru finishers will not be with a sword that's for sure
Yes, Kizaru's finishers (awakening?) won't be sword based, but as for non awakening, the sword is a serious move for Kizaru. Yes, Kizaru uses his weapons accordingly to his opponent, but it doesn't make the sword more casual. He used kicks against 5 pre TS Supernova (Hawkins, Apoo, Drake, Luffy, Urogue) but against Rayleigh, he pulled out his sword and called the situation troublesome. Kizaru knew that his sword is more adequate against Kizaru than his kicks.
 
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