Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


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Gaimou, Ouhon, Shin, Tou likely cannot beat SBS (for now)
Don't sleep on Tou. That man is definitely capable of defeating SBS.
I believe only Moubu, Renpa, Man'U and Ouhon have a shot
Nahh. Shin, Tou and Renpa are also going to be there who can defeat him.

The actual performance of SBS ain't going to be over the board. It might be exactly similar to Houken.
Shin and Ouhon no, imo. The others have a more or less convincing case, depending on the person.
Shin and OuHon are definitely capable of pushing it to extreme diff fight. Lol
@Elder Lee Hung there is no one who can one shot current shin or ouhon in this series.

Also lee i meant with KouEn, tiger of chu.
 
Alive Characters that can defeat SBS :

MouBu
Man'u
GaiMou
Tou
Shin
OuHon
Renpa (?)
KouEn (?)
SHK

Any other characters

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Moubu is a good candidate. Maybe Man'u too.

Gaimou and Tou are looking like maybes to me.

Shin and Ouhon would probably be extreme diff fights that lose.

Shouheikan has been away from the battlefield for years, even with Lee levels of hype I am thinking of a high diff fight that he loses.

Renpa can enter this conversation of Top Tier fights when he stops losing his horse to Mougou level characters. :pepedoffy:

Kou En is a complete unknown. Lol.
 
Moubu is a good candidate. Maybe Man'u too.

Gaimou and Tou are looking like maybes to me.

Shin and Ouhon would probably be extreme diff fights that lose.

Shouheikan has been away from the battlefield for years, even with Lee levels of hype I am thinking of a high diff fight that he loses.

Renpa can enter this conversation of Top Tier fights when he stops losing his horse to Mougou level characters. :pepedoffy:

Kou En is a complete unknown. Lol.
More agreeable.... though i agree on SHK's point that it's lee who affected his powerlevel with all his hype. Lol

Such disrespect for mighty Renpa sama. Riboku will gift him a horse from northern steed. :pepebusi:
 
No matter how you look at it, the only guy that stands a chance against SBS on Qin's side is Shin.

He will have to become even stronger for it but if Qin wants to win this they have no choice but also beat or push back SBS. And Shin is the strongest one on Qin's side. Ouhon is up there too but I doubt Hara will give SBS to him.
So I think it's fair to put Shin among the people that stand a chance vs SBS.

That is if they win, doesn't look like they will so far. He will fight him though, Hara won't miss this opportunity and if SBS will have the advantage, I don't expect Shin to be clowned.
 
Man'u said he does not have any weight. That's why he is telling Mou Bu about what happens when you lose that. Man'u is set up to get his weight back that's why we have Juuko saying he acted differently than usual in this war. It's set up for Mou Bu to defeat weight boosted Man'u to improve Mou Bu.
This emptiness of his is still heavy ironically, it was described as a heavy burden by Juko'Ou, even by Man'U soldiers who said their general was an idiot for saying he carries no burden. Man'U is leagues below Houken in raw strength and skill, yet he was tossing Moubu of all people, that can only mean Hara is a complete clown and should stop writing manga or Man'U is a weight monster just like Juko'Ou and his soldiers described

Man'U didn't lie, he (97) is weaker than Kanmei (99) in raw strength -and size-, but he found his older self in Moubu and wanted to liberate him with emptiness, which is another masked burden anyway
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
But that ain't happening to our main young boys Shin and Ouhon. Don't take them as fangirl like Futei :pepestop:
Of course it won’t happen lol but the point is that Shibashou is colossally above Shin and Ouhon right now. Dude has 3GH level hype solely for his stature as a monstrous warrior. Hara has yet to give this guy one ounce of tactical or strategic hype, everytime he hypes Shibashou he hypes this guy for his massive strength.

I’m not saying Shibashou won’t have tactics or strategy but it’s clear Hara is trying to hype this guy as a 3GH level warrior.
 
Of course it won’t happen lol but the point is that Shibashou is colossally above Shin and Ouhon right now. Dude has 3GH level hype solely for his stature as a monstrous warrior. Hara has yet to give this guy one ounce of tactical or strategic hype, everytime he hypes Shibashou he hypes this guy for his massive strength.

I’m not saying Shibashou won’t have tactics or strategy but it’s clear Hara is trying to hype this guy as a 3GH level warrior.
We already saw two brutes who got titled gg position just coz of there strength and Shin actually has faced both. Don't think Hara going to make an exceptional scenario here for SBS and make significant difference in strength between him and Houken.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
We already saw two brutes who got titled gg position just coz of there strength and Shin actually has faced both. Don't think Hara going to make an exceptional scenario here for SBS and make significant difference in strength between him and Houken.
Houken and who else? Lol
EDIT: Gaimou. Forgot about him lol.

Anyway, Shibashou ain’t Houken. He is the lord of a city and leads his own army with sub generals beneath him. He is actually a legit general.
 
Yotanwa?
She has been hyped several times already since the first arc.
Forgot about her but let's see. She might be able to surprise us.

Houken and who else? Lol
EDIT: Gaimou. Forgot about him lol.

Anyway, Shibashou ain’t Houken. He is the lord of a city and leads his own army with sub generals beneath him. He is actually a legit general.
I know he's a full fledged general but we were talking about brute strength and who can defeat him, also even if Hara going to make exception here and made him even stronger than Houken (individual strength).
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Shin already beat someone better than SBS while he was tired and hungry. Ri Boku scaled Hou Ken over SBS. Hou Ken was the max any human ca achieve as Ri Boku said.
In fact Shin has the best martial feats in the story and it's not close tbf.
Houken was far from unbeatable and wasn’t the strongest fighter in the story

he had the strongest martial art and body and that’s it

Ouki beat Houken two times
Shin beat Houken

and the Shin who beat Houken isn’t peak Shin at all

You can be weaker than Houken and still beat him with weight
 
Alive Characters that can defeat SBS :

MouBu
Man'u
GaiMou
Tou
Shin
OuHon
Renpa (?)
KouEn (?)
SHK

Any other characters

@Owl Ki @God Buggy @Jailer @Monet @Dark Admiral @Luffy is the mc @Elder Lee Hung
Gaimou cannot, Tou can go either way imo, Shin cannot (he defeated Houken after Kyoukai cut off his fingers), OuHon cannot, Renpa too old to compete him in marital might, SHK can go either way. Other wins.

additionally, YTW can also go either way, same goes for SentoUn, dude was toying with Rokumi and Ranbihaku.
 
The only characters I see beating SBS are Moubu and Kou En (I know he's supposed to be old).

Tou, Tanwa, Shin, Ouhon all come on the maybe list but the hype that SBS received....I have a hard time arguing against that.

No way Ouhon and Shin are beating this monster. I bet they BARELY beat Ji Aga.
 
Yotanwa?
She has been hyped several times already since the first arc.
Yotanwa might be on the arse whooping block for SBS to get some hype. Lol.

I don't see Yotanwa matching Shibashou for brute strength, dude looks almost twice Tanwa's height and at least 3x her weight. Lol.

I imagine they'll both be experienced fighters with YTW perhaps having an edge in experience due to never having been retired. Dunno about Weight but Weight can be overpowered by brute force anyway (e.g. Moubu vs Kanmei and Mougou vs Renpa).

That leaves speed, which is the only way I can see YTW beating SBS. If Tanwa is enough of a speed demon that she can overwhelm Shiba's guard and avoid his attacks then she could win. If Shiba can deal with her speed then she is probably screwed. Lol.
 
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