Character Discussion If Zoro fans weren’t toxic would he get any hate?
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Then we'd just go back to the 2008-2010 era, back when Zoro was just simply a "cool badass character".
no debates, no arguments, no powerscaling, no slanders, no agendas, no nothing.
all you'd hear about Zoro was just a couple of youtube or facebook comments complimenting how awesome he is and thats about it.
Zoro ultimately is just a mid character with nothing deep to write home about him other than his strength (aka his only noteworthy trait) which his fans began to exaggerate and glorify over the years after the timeskip began.
It stems from the fact that most of his Post-timeskip opponents were weak fodders that got low-mid diffed, so he appeared very strong in front of them, deluding his fans into believing he's actually some secret high-top tier who's been hiding his true power all this time and is somehow stronger than his own captain, then trying to rub it down the faces of other fanbases (namely Lanji).
no debates, no arguments, no powerscaling, no slanders, no agendas, no nothing.
all you'd hear about Zoro was just a couple of youtube or facebook comments complimenting how awesome he is and thats about it.
Zoro ultimately is just a mid character with nothing deep to write home about him other than his strength (aka his only noteworthy trait) which his fans began to exaggerate and glorify over the years after the timeskip began.
It stems from the fact that most of his Post-timeskip opponents were weak fodders that got low-mid diffed, so he appeared very strong in front of them, deluding his fans into believing he's actually some secret high-top tier who's been hiding his true power all this time and is somehow stronger than his own captain, then trying to rub it down the faces of other fanbases (namely Lanji).
What does being toxic mean to you bro? Well, if for you to be toxic is to expect something hype from your favorite character(s), then I assume that all OP fandoms are toxic.
-Sanji fans expect Sanji to defeat a Top Tier and be Admiral/Yonkou Level in EOS.
-Admirals fans expect Admirals to be superior to Yonkous, just as...
- Yonkous fans expect Yonkou to be more superior to Admirals.
All fandoms have their ideas/expectations/favoritism and they will all defend them at all costs.
I confess that because Zoro had a lot of hype (and you can't deny that it was hype) in the entire TS and especially in Wano, after Zoro's CoC, we Zoro fans ended up thinking about believing that Zoro is a character built for hype so we dream more than we should.
But do not judge lest you be judged, my friend.
-Sanji fans expect Sanji to defeat a Top Tier and be Admiral/Yonkou Level in EOS.
-Admirals fans expect Admirals to be superior to Yonkous, just as...
- Yonkous fans expect Yonkou to be more superior to Admirals.
All fandoms have their ideas/expectations/favoritism and they will all defend them at all costs.
I confess that because Zoro had a lot of hype (and you can't deny that it was hype) in the entire TS and especially in Wano, after Zoro's CoC, we Zoro fans ended up thinking about believing that Zoro is a character built for hype so we dream more than we should.
But do not judge lest you be judged, my friend.
None of you "zoro fans" remember pre-timeskip zoro and how many comedic moments he had, like tarzan-yelling on skypeia...because you were still in diapers at the time.
practically each and every single worthless zoroach started one piece after the timeskip, and gravitated to zoro because you lot are bleach/naruto refugees who wank your micropenises to the idea of zolo's sharingan and him betraying and fighting luffy because apparently he's Sasuke. You do not care that he has zero personality anymore, zero development, and only exists to appeal to the lowest common denominator who (either through their own incompetence, illiteracy, or poverty) are unable to experience One Piece in any form other than clickbait youtube "TOP 10 EPIKKK ONE PIECE MOMENTZZ" videos.
practically each and every single worthless zoroach started one piece after the timeskip, and gravitated to zoro because you lot are bleach/naruto refugees who wank your micropenises to the idea of zolo's sharingan and him betraying and fighting luffy because apparently he's Sasuke. You do not care that he has zero personality anymore, zero development, and only exists to appeal to the lowest common denominator who (either through their own incompetence, illiteracy, or poverty) are unable to experience One Piece in any form other than clickbait youtube "TOP 10 EPIKKK ONE PIECE MOMENTZZ" videos.
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Lmao who bullied his headcanon again?
Y'all are hypocrites
- Baits Zoro fans with non sense
- When countered with facts refuses to accept they are wrong.
- relies on insults
- then you get beat in insults as well , then threads like " Zoro fans are toxic " comes up lol.
- Give up dude. Don't come up with shit like there isn't anything to dislike about Zoro when half of your account is dedicated to slander him.
The level of hypocrisy.
Y'all are hypocrites
- Baits Zoro fans with non sense
- When countered with facts refuses to accept they are wrong.
- relies on insults
- then you get beat in insults as well , then threads like " Zoro fans are toxic " comes up lol.
- Give up dude. Don't come up with shit like there isn't anything to dislike about Zoro when half of your account is dedicated to slander him.
The level of hypocrisy.
Zoro would probably get a lot less hate if his fans were less toxic (at least on WG), but Zoro would still have a few haters even if Zoro fans were the nicest and most equitable people on earth.
The same holds true for any character really.
While a decrease in the toxicity would be nice - because obviously 300 pages of non-stop wank and trolling in every spoiler discussion thread from the various agenda groups is an absolute eyesore - people are only going to stop speaking in a toxic way when they grow tired of it on a personal level and don't care what other people are saying/thinking. (When I say not caring what other people are saying/and thinking in the sense of not being provoked by someone trash talking one character or another.) Until they get bored of the futility and repetitiveness of it all, it is unlikely they will change. And that is true of all toxic agenda posters, not just Zoro ones.
Regardless, my opinion is that if someone can enjoy 300 pages of agenda wars and still find it entertaining, they are probably already on the deep end and lacking in sanity. Sure, the occassional friendly bash is fun here and there. But to be personally hurt for the disrespect of a 2d character fictional character.... its kind of embarrassing, one would assume.
The same holds true for any character really.
While a decrease in the toxicity would be nice - because obviously 300 pages of non-stop wank and trolling in every spoiler discussion thread from the various agenda groups is an absolute eyesore - people are only going to stop speaking in a toxic way when they grow tired of it on a personal level and don't care what other people are saying/thinking. (When I say not caring what other people are saying/and thinking in the sense of not being provoked by someone trash talking one character or another.) Until they get bored of the futility and repetitiveness of it all, it is unlikely they will change. And that is true of all toxic agenda posters, not just Zoro ones.
Regardless, my opinion is that if someone can enjoy 300 pages of agenda wars and still find it entertaining, they are probably already on the deep end and lacking in sanity. Sure, the occassional friendly bash is fun here and there. But to be personally hurt for the disrespect of a 2d character fictional character.... its kind of embarrassing, one would assume.
Yes he would.
If we have to look at it from a honest perspective, we need to look at the (unfortunate) position Zoro is at and also accept that it takes two to tango.
There are two primary portrayals/dynamics that Zoro has:
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal and dynamics. Zoro is introduced to us as a character who has will power built similar to Luffy. So much so that until Dresrossa arc, it was a common theme for Zoro to be confused as the captain. They often share panels together. Share parallels (old gen parallels, mid gen parallels, legend parallels)
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal and dynamics. They are constantly bickering with each other and competing. Got opponents in two arcs who have some rivalry between then (Kaku/Jyabura, King/Queen). They share panels together
The thing is, where Zoro stands between Luffy and Sanji is made ambiguous by design.
Obviously, logically there should be ways to get by the ambiguity, but Oda doesn't work based on this consistency. He wants Zoro to be someone who can stand along with Luffy when the situation calls for it, and he wants Sanji to be someone who can stand along with Zoro when the situation calls for it.
Blame Oda for this.
Now we come to the agendas.
It should be common knowledge and anyone intellectually honest here would accept that Luffy fans and Sanji fans share the same agenda - Zoro is closer to Sanji than to Luffy.
Then there are two more characters, who like Zoro, also share some portrayal/dynamics with Luffy: Law and Kid. The fans of these characters want their favs to be the ones with 'true' portrayal with Luffy, and want Zoro to be "just an underling".
You can see this argument very often coming from Law and Kid fans, who want to pair up Zoro with Sanji.
Now you see what is going on here. Even if there are no Zoro fans at all, there are four fanbases that would push agenda on Zoro regardless, due to the position Zoro occupies within the series:
- Luffy fans
- Sanji fans
- Law fans
- Kid fans (if they exist lol)
Now you add in the crazies of all fanbases, and we get what we have now. The only reason Zoro fans appear "overly toxic" is because they are fighting against FOUR OTHER fanbases, of which 3 are massive fanbases in the top 5 (Luffy/Sanji/Law).
But if we look objectively, the crazies in Zoro fans are no bigger crazies than those in Luffy or Sanji fanbase (Law fanbase tends to have less crazies relatively).
Just that, Luffy and Sanji crazies don't see each other, because they fight on the same side.
There you go, I gave you an explanation on this scenario as objective as I can here.
If we have to look at it from a honest perspective, we need to look at the (unfortunate) position Zoro is at and also accept that it takes two to tango.
There are two primary portrayals/dynamics that Zoro has:
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal and dynamics. Zoro is introduced to us as a character who has will power built similar to Luffy. So much so that until Dresrossa arc, it was a common theme for Zoro to be confused as the captain. They often share panels together. Share parallels (old gen parallels, mid gen parallels, legend parallels)
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal and dynamics. They are constantly bickering with each other and competing. Got opponents in two arcs who have some rivalry between then (Kaku/Jyabura, King/Queen). They share panels together
The thing is, where Zoro stands between Luffy and Sanji is made ambiguous by design.
Obviously, logically there should be ways to get by the ambiguity, but Oda doesn't work based on this consistency. He wants Zoro to be someone who can stand along with Luffy when the situation calls for it, and he wants Sanji to be someone who can stand along with Zoro when the situation calls for it.
Blame Oda for this.
Now we come to the agendas.
It should be common knowledge and anyone intellectually honest here would accept that Luffy fans and Sanji fans share the same agenda - Zoro is closer to Sanji than to Luffy.
Then there are two more characters, who like Zoro, also share some portrayal/dynamics with Luffy: Law and Kid. The fans of these characters want their favs to be the ones with 'true' portrayal with Luffy, and want Zoro to be "just an underling".
You can see this argument very often coming from Law and Kid fans, who want to pair up Zoro with Sanji.
Now you see what is going on here. Even if there are no Zoro fans at all, there are four fanbases that would push agenda on Zoro regardless, due to the position Zoro occupies within the series:
- Luffy fans
- Sanji fans
- Law fans
- Kid fans (if they exist lol)
Now you add in the crazies of all fanbases, and we get what we have now. The only reason Zoro fans appear "overly toxic" is because they are fighting against FOUR OTHER fanbases, of which 3 are massive fanbases in the top 5 (Luffy/Sanji/Law).
But if we look objectively, the crazies in Zoro fans are no bigger crazies than those in Luffy or Sanji fanbase (Law fanbase tends to have less crazies relatively).
Just that, Luffy and Sanji crazies don't see each other, because they fight on the same side.
There you go, I gave you an explanation on this scenario as objective as I can here.
He would still get as much hate.
The idea that the Zoro fans are the reason why Zoro get hate is a cowardly excuse thrown by people who do not assume they own toxicity.
For example, why some of the Zoro fans haters come here to taunt the Zoro fans in a supposedly Zoro hivemind? Because they are themselves toxics.
No one force then to come here, no one force them to make several bait threads but they do it because they love the negative interactions because they are toxics. But are not man enough to assume it so they hide behind “Zoro fans bad”.
So if the “Zoro fans bad” narrative did not exist they would just find another excuse to let their toxicity loose.
The idea that the Zoro fans are the reason why Zoro get hate is a cowardly excuse thrown by people who do not assume they own toxicity.
For example, why some of the Zoro fans haters come here to taunt the Zoro fans in a supposedly Zoro hivemind? Because they are themselves toxics.
No one force then to come here, no one force them to make several bait threads but they do it because they love the negative interactions because they are toxics. But are not man enough to assume it so they hide behind “Zoro fans bad”.
So if the “Zoro fans bad” narrative did not exist they would just find another excuse to let their toxicity loose.
He is still getting hate though
Look at this two comments over here
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This Is the only thing they can say about him
Mid character because muh he only fights he doesn't have deep moments when mofos doesn't know what is deep to begin with
Anyways don't surprise me at the end this is why this comunity is super toxic short minds with low reading comprenhension
Look at this two comments over here
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This Is the only thing they can say about him
Mid character because muh he only fights he doesn't have deep moments when mofos doesn't know what is deep to begin with
Anyways don't surprise me at the end this is why this comunity is super toxic short minds with low reading comprenhension