General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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You know Oda was involved.
You don't know what his involvement entails in detail.
For all you know, Oda signed off on letting them make Zoro a First Mate in the live action series because they thought that would be better for Western sensibilities unfamiliar with concepts like "nakama" as understood in Japan. For all you know, he didn't even care about that distinction in live action.
idk what makes you think you're in the know on any of this. Unless you're a producer close to the show or Oda, you don't know jack shit.
You don't know what his involvement entails in detail.
For all you know, Oda signed off on letting them make Zoro a First Mate in the live action series because they thought that would be better for Western sensibilities unfamiliar with concepts like "nakama" as understood in Japan. For all you know, he didn't even care about that distinction in live action.
idk what makes you think you're in the know on any of this. Unless you're a producer close to the show or Oda, you don't know jack shit.
Characters in the story assume Zoro is the second in command based on reputation and demeanour. They assume wrong because they are unaware the SHP are an unorthodox crew without any hierarchy beyond Luffy's captaincy.
Oda made Zoro's role clear. He's not the First Mate, not second in command, not Vice Captain - none of that. His role on the SHP is "Swordsman" - that's directly from Oda. You are peddling headcanon as fact. It is not.
Oda made Zoro's role clear. He's not the First Mate, not second in command, not Vice Captain - none of that. His role on the SHP is "Swordsman" - that's directly from Oda. You are peddling headcanon as fact. It is not.
"Zoro 2nd strongest" is known since at least Arabasta FFS. He isn't the first mate though, at least in autorithy (the responsibility is divided), but everything else puts him there. The only inconsistency of this color spread is Shiryu, but I think that Aokiji isn't truly a BB Pirate... he'll jump ship after reaching his still unknown goal.
They are the 2nd strongest in each crew but not necessarily the VC. Using the SH as a basic example, when Luffy is not around the person usually with the most say is Nami (in part 1 it was a little more democratic but this changed a lot with times). Even when Luffy is around she is the person that has the most voice in the crew, ordering the people around. Even in the image you posted of WCI she is the one that is giving the pros and cons and trying to reign Luffy. Other SH take helm at different moments, but if you have to point to someone that has more authority than Luffy 90% of the time it would be her and even looking at this angle she isn't vice-captain.
Zoro usually barely, if ever, talks and acts as a leader in the crew. You can count in one hand the amount of times he acted and usually it was not to lead but to give his point of view and stop Luffy. Sanji acted more as a leader (directing other SHs to act and giving orders) than him.
So, just using the SH as a example, he isn't the VC. But he is the strongest after Luffy.
Zoro usually barely, if ever, talks and acts as a leader in the crew. You can count in one hand the amount of times he acted and usually it was not to lead but to give his point of view and stop Luffy. Sanji acted more as a leader (directing other SHs to act and giving orders) than him.
So, just using the SH as a example, he isn't the VC. But he is the strongest after Luffy.
People should learn to read basic english
But I know agenda is too strong so they pretend they can't (some actually can't, though)
Oda never said that the characters on the cover of 1031 aren't the First Mates of their groups/crews
He literally said a complete different thing
Which is that the illustration isn't a depictment of the First Mates
But depicts the Number Twos of the groups
Literally implying that Penguin and Shachi might be better First Mates than Bepo, but Bepo is without a doubt the Number Two because he is that much stronger than them
Number Two = Second Strongest
Thus
Bepo >> Shachi and Penguin
Katakuri >> Cracker
Rayleigh >> Gaban
Zoro >> Sanji
Benn Beckman >> Lucky Roux
King >> Queen
Sabo >> Ivankov
Killer >> Wire
Marco >> Jozu
Shiryu >> Lafitte (Aokiji is clearly a fake member of the BBP, he will betray them and Oda knows obviously)
Learn to read damn
It's basic english
In fact Oda then also recalls this
With Lucci's words
And cope
This was approved by Oda
As much as this
See how everything goes into the same direction?
Weird, huh? As if simply Zoro was Luffy's right-hand man, the second strongest after Luffy, and the crew's first mate, basically what Rayleigh was for Roger and the Roger Pirates... huh, go figure who is the Zoro of the old generation and who is the Rayleigh of the new generation...
N.B. Bartolomeo represents the embodiment of the ultra dedicated aficionado of One Piece, a fanboy of the ENTIRE MUGIWARA CREW, he worships all of them and knows everything about them, not just Zoro, ALL OF THEM
So the fact Oda had him say these words should have already kill any argument
But Sanji fanboys exist
And bring toxicity in the community with their delusional denial
Why deny the evidence?
But I know agenda is too strong so they pretend they can't (some actually can't, though)
Oda never said that the characters on the cover of 1031 aren't the First Mates of their groups/crews
He literally said a complete different thing
Which is that the illustration isn't a depictment of the First Mates
But depicts the Number Twos of the groups
Literally implying that Penguin and Shachi might be better First Mates than Bepo, but Bepo is without a doubt the Number Two because he is that much stronger than them
Number Two = Second Strongest
Thus
Bepo >> Shachi and Penguin
Katakuri >> Cracker
Rayleigh >> Gaban
Zoro >> Sanji
Benn Beckman >> Lucky Roux
King >> Queen
Sabo >> Ivankov
Killer >> Wire
Marco >> Jozu
Shiryu >> Lafitte (Aokiji is clearly a fake member of the BBP, he will betray them and Oda knows obviously)
Learn to read damn
It's basic english
In fact Oda then also recalls this
With Lucci's words
And cope
This was approved by Oda
As much as this
See how everything goes into the same direction?
Weird, huh? As if simply Zoro was Luffy's right-hand man, the second strongest after Luffy, and the crew's first mate, basically what Rayleigh was for Roger and the Roger Pirates... huh, go figure who is the Zoro of the old generation and who is the Rayleigh of the new generation...
N.B. Bartolomeo represents the embodiment of the ultra dedicated aficionado of One Piece, a fanboy of the ENTIRE MUGIWARA CREW, he worships all of them and knows everything about them, not just Zoro, ALL OF THEM
So the fact Oda had him say these words should have already kill any argument
But Sanji fanboys exist
And bring toxicity in the community with their delusional denial
Why deny the evidence?
Zoro is the first mate and number 2. His words have weight in the crew tho so is the rest. And that’s all. SHs don’t have any other titles within as vice captain or chief of staff and such. Only captain and that’s it the rest are all equals.
Is Zoro worthy of being called VC? Yes obviously. However, the crew doesn’t have a system for these things.
Is Zoro worthy of being called VC? Yes obviously. However, the crew doesn’t have a system for these things.
Lets see firstmate===>first to join and luffy partner, right hand man==> the man luffy can count on the most, vice captain===>support Strawhats comparable to captain and oppose any foolish decision from captain like attacking mariejoe, first commender==>strongest commender by far and very famous on his own as pirate hunter and master swordsman.