Since when "i really didn't expect and" I really didn't see a case on cinera" means I sus him but less likely??
You defended cinera an established mafia at a time when vote were going against him but as per your logic you are town and based on same logic you say that I am scum buddy because I defended tac that too way before end of day two. Lol at hypocrisy.
And, No you didn't read my post on tac carefully at all
The above two posts were made by him on page four and before final vs cinera even actually picked up properly. He was first one to vote him out and gave reason why he sus him.
To me, I don't think a Mafia would out a fellow mafia like this right at the beginning of day one especially when two parties involved (final and cinera) didn't argue so heatedly till that time and others were inactive or were simply joking around.
If tac is Mafia then why would he take risk of outing his own team mate so early and when no one else was sussing cinera much.
Either he is too risk taking and is bold move if he is mafia but this seem unlikely considering the context.
I clearly said that TAC doesn't seem like to be mafia based on these two posts and timing of these two posts unless he is really bold and risk taking which I doubt it. That's logical conclusion and is called reading unlike your assumptions in play.
Now yes as a new player you could have skipped reading the op properly or didn't know about day phases but you know this is also the strategy (to act noob and clueless)adopted by new players who end up being scum in their First game to convince others that they are total noob.
This striked me off especially when I explained you everything during warhammer game sign up and kiwi highlighting beginning of day phase.
Anyway, answer these questions
Are you scum? Were you involved in any form in killing of nat or Fuji?
What do you think of Marimo? He was the third person to vote Finalbeta and his first post was kinda weird. He said he heard that Natalija(townie)/TAC(maybe townie not sure atm) is a good lynch.
I can understand why you would sus me for Finalbeta lynch. I have explained that FB's vocab came off as really weird (went up by 5 tiers compared to normal) and his responses to Cinera was overly defensive.
For the Nat/Tac thing though it was literally just banter carried over from the sign-up thread. Did you see me bolding there names? Non-serious mate.
I can understand why you would sus me for Finalbeta lynch. I have explained that FB's vocab came off as really weird (went up by 5 tiers compared to normal) and his responses to Cinera was overly defensive.
For the Nat/Tac thing though it was literally just banter carried over from the sign-up thread. Did you see me bolding there names? Non-serious mate.
What made you feel as though this as 'weird' @NeutralWatcher ?
Fair enough. I thought you just knew too many information for new player which I found weird but that might not be the case when you said I trust Reborninformer since that might be from sign up thread.
I explained you everything about phases and rules during that guidance pm during the sign up of round 10: war hammer. Right?
And, just now you said that you read both opening posts
This is kiwi second post where she highlighted the beginning of day phase
And, on page one you said this
Now yes as a new player you could have skipped reading the op properly or didn't know about day phases but you know this is also the strategy (to act noob and clueless)adopted by new players who end up being scum in their First game to convince others that they are total noob.
This striked me off especially when I explained you everything during warhammer game sign up and kiwi highlighting beginning of day phase.
Anyway, answer these questions
Are you scum? Were you involved in any form in killing of nat or Fuji?
Yes I missed that post unfortunately. And I still had them TOS posts in my head where people were saying things like 'come and say hi' 'make a greeting'
So I kinda didn't know what to think. I will read more thoroughly in the future.
I was also reading more up more on roles and powers on the wiki page, so I was less focused in-game.
Nope not scum. I will say I doubted Nat hard when Cin got lynched, as they were defending Cin the hardest. But turned out they were Townie as well.
Fuji I have no clue on either. He made little to no post contribution the day before yesterday, so I'm not sure why they would be a prime target.
My read at the moment- TAC I still find a bit sus. He's made a few good points on his defense, but I think he knew Cin seemed to be the more favoured then FB within that timeframe. So I believe all that switching and back and forth with Beta was to cover his tracks.
Krog opted for a no vote. The only one to do so. He also has little contribution on day 1, apart from telling people the rules/ how the game should be played. I have an inkling that he may be third party. I can't see him being mafia or he might should have voted in for Beta as well.
Neutral is neutral.
Jew looks good as per his contributions.
Queen I don't have a read on or much too go on at the moment.
And on sera, I will update I read through all their posts.
Fair enough. I thought you just knew too many information for new player which I found weird but that might not be the case when you said I trust Reborninformer since that might be from sign up thread.
NW : try to scum hunt and seems true about it, for now he is solid townie.
Jew : we thought the same about Cinera, and for now his whole posts didn't point him as scum.
Cel/Reborn : about Cel : She was quite calm when she played and didn't seem scum in my eyes. From previous games or usual behaviour she was less on the attack than in previous games. But she was replaced by Reborn so this means that she didn't hve much time to play like usual so we can't really learn something. But my overall impression was she was not scums.
About Reborn : he plays his usual scum hunting with questions and questions and questions. He defended TAC from his play yesterday. But I can understand TAC even if it can bother me in some ways. For now not much to point him as scum.
Queen : as many point out her posts about the FB/cinera were weird and difficult to follow where she wanted to go.
TAC : he said he flipped from Cin to FB because no one followed him about Cin lynch, okay I can understand the thought that a lynch can tell you something about other but he said multiple times even after unvoting Cin that he still thought that Cin was more suspect than FB but he still votes FB. He also said he understood FB reactions to Cinera attacks yet still voted FB. The day was long there were still rooms to push Cinera lynch and not put a lynch over someone you clearly said was a lot less scummy than Cin.
I don't say that this is a scum move from TAC but i am not a fan. Trying to be open minded and lynching someone you don't sus is not the good way especially if there are still 10h + of the day phase.
But still I can understand the tactic and TAC seems true to his goal.
Marimo : first game so that doesn't tell us much, but his whole play feels a bit weird.
FB : he is not cleared because Cinera flips mafia. He can still be mafia or indie. I understand his reaction from Cin sussing on him. He always sus back. For now neutral read on him. But yeah as other point out his vocab is indeed different from other games.
Yes I missed that post unfortunately. And I still had them TOS posts in my head where people were saying things like 'come and say hi' 'make a greeting'
So I kinda didn't know what to think. I will read more thoroughly in the future.
I was also reading more up more on roles and powers on the wiki page, so I was less focused in-game.
Nope not scum. I will say I doubted Nat hard when Cin got lynched, as they were defending Cin the hardest. But turned out they were Townie as well.
Fuji I have no clue on either. He made little to no post contribution the day before yesterday, so I'm not sure why they would be a prime target.
My read at the moment- TAC I still find a bit sus. He's made a few good points on his defense, but I think he knew Cin seemed to be the more favoured then FB within that timeframe. So I believe all that switching and back and forth with Beta was to cover his tracks.
Krog opted for a no vote. The only one to do so. He also has little contribution on day 1, apart from telling people the rules/ how the game should be played. I have an inkling that he may be third party. I can't see him being mafia or he might should have voted in for Beta as well.
Neutral is neutral.
Jew looks good as per his contributions.
Queen I don't have a read on or much too go on at the moment.
And on sera, I will update I read through all their posts.
You want me to speak less politely or something?
I understand my first few posts aren't nearly as serious, but that was before I seen everyone waxing Shakespeareain in this thread.
And thanks if you think I don't come across as a noobie lol.
I did, in fact, do this. I pushed Cinera when no one else did. I got into arguments about Cinera before anyone else.
This argument is lazy considering I've said why I voted Beta so many times over. No one was accepting of a Cinera lynch when I was active and within the last 40~ minutes to an hour and a half, I decided to vote Finalbeta because that also would've given us info on Cinera and people around Cinera.
TAC I still find a bit sus. He's made a few good points on his defense, but I think he knew Cin seemed to be the more favoured then FB within that timeframe. So I believe all that switching and back and forth with Beta was to cover his tracks.
He wasn't. The only person around when I was arguing for Cinera's lynch was Jew D. Boy, who sided with me. Nat/Light openly said my game was suspicious and Nat even accused me of being panicked. To me, this seemed like obvious ways to sway people who were reading the convo away from my camp. I didn't get vocal support until I couldn't really jump on mobile and change my vote.
TAC : he said he flipped from Cin to FB because no one followed him about Cin lynch, okay I can understand the thought that a lynch can tell you something about other but he said multiple times even after unvoting Cin that he still thought that Cin was more suspect than FB but he still votes FB. He also said he understood FB reactions to Cinera attacks yet still voted FB.
Lynching Finalbeta would've given me more of an argument to lynch Cinera with. Light/Nat objected to my lynch of Cinera and Nat went so far as to soft push FB. Cinera insulted and gave some reason to lynch FB. FB then flipping town? That damns Cinera to the gallows.
It was the most prudent move to let FB die so I could get enough room to lynch Cinera.
The day was long there were still rooms to push Cinera lynch and not put a lynch over someone you clearly said was a lot less scummy than Cin.
I don't say that this is a scum move from TAC but i am not a fan. Trying to be open minded and lynching someone you don't sus is not the good way especially if there are still 10h + of the day phase.
But still I can understand the tactic and TAC seems true to his goal.
What? Rayan, there wasn't 10+ hours. I started replying within the last 4 hours of the game and wasn't going to be free for the last hour of it. So I really had 3-ish hours to argue, most of which was spent between Nat and Light arguing about Cinera and my final decision to lynch FB coming within the last hour of the game before I had to go.
What? Rayan, there wasn't 10+ hours. I started replying within the last 4 hours of the game and wasn't going to be free for the last hour of it. So I really had 3-ish hours to argue, most of which was spent between Nat and Light arguing about Cinera and my final decision to lynch FB coming within the last hour of the game before I had to go.
What? Rayan, there wasn't 10+ hours. I started replying within the last 4 hours of the game and wasn't going to be free for the last hour of it. So I really had 3-ish hours to argue, most of which was spent between Nat and Light arguing about Cinera and my final decision to lynch FB coming within the last hour of the game before I had to go.
I'll answer your two posts now since you've quoted me. I just got home from an exam and haven't read the thread. After I answer you two, I'll have to grab smth to eat and then I'll try reading the rest of the posts.
I am sus of Queen right now. She said she didn't mind Cinera's reason for voting Finalbeta and at the same time she said she would vote Cinera if she had to choose who she would vote. This doesn't add up. Why did she say she would vote Cinera when she said she didn't disagree with Cinera's reason for voting Finalbeta?
I'll have to re-read Queen's posts more carefully to get a better idea. From glancing over them I think she just thought it was Cinera being Cinera. I am not sure if I would sus her because of that as I myself thought it was the same. Cinera playing like he has, from my experience with him in turbo games and around the forum.
He said lynching Natalija (confirmed townie)/TAC (not sure atm but I lean townie for now) is the safest bet. This post indicates him that he was told by his mafia partner.
That is one way to look at it. Though, tbh I think that's just him playing around and carrying it over from the sign up thread where we all joked with lynching players.
You have played few turbo games and compared to long duration games turbo games are a bit difficult because of them being fast paced and requiring quick thinking. So your argument that you are new sound more like an excuse because so far you have shown good grasp on reading the game.
I actually think it's the opposite. Turbo games move quickly, we have like 20 or so minutes to act. If I see you posting and ask you a question or tag you and you don't answer soon, you're going on the sus list. Here we have entire days to think about different approaches, the game is very long and imo that gives people the chance to scheme much more than in the turbo games. So it's taking me some time to adjust to the pace.
1)You said you voted tac randomly. But then if it was random then why you didn't unvote later? If I remember well then you kept your vote on him till the end of phase right? If it was random then why didn't unvote ?
2)And, among cinera and final whom you find find sus?
I'll answer these two questions with one answer. Yeah, as I said the vote on TAC was random, I tried to get him talking later he ignored it. By the time I logged back on the situation was Cinera vs FB with them being the leading among the voted people. Since I couldn't get a good read on either of them and thought both were playing like they do I didn't want to vote for either of the two, and cancelling my vote on TAC seemed a pointless thing to do, since he was in no danger of being lynched. So yeah, I thought both Cin and Fb were playing their game, from what I know of them, with one being content with lynching players he deemed bad, and the other just counter susing anyone who says anything about him or suses him. So I couldn't say if either is scum.
As I explained to TAC earlier as well, if I were Cinera's buddy I could have used TAC's push on FB as an excuse to vote for him and get rid of him. I could have gone about it even earlier than that and go ahead with his vote. I could have blamed it on TAC then since he was flip flopping. But I didn't since I was unsure about them.
Now, I'll try to read the rest of the posts as soon as possible.
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I'll have to grab some lunch now. I am sorry. I'll check the thread as soon as possible.
Reborn is so good and involved with this game, but Christ, he makes catching up after a night of sleep SO difficult...
My current reads are spotty, but I still have reason to believe Celestia/Reborn is townie. His line of questioning is consistent from what I’ve seen before, although it remains overly aggressive.
TAC still could be scummy, but I’m not totally convinced because he was definitely on the lynch train for Cin.
Light’s involvement in Nat’s assassination is conjectural, not enough for me to say he’s scum for sure.
Rayan/Marimo/NW/Final...one of them is scum, but I can’t say which yet. I’m leaning towards Final just because I think Marimo’s too green, Rayan hasn’t done much to raise suspicion, and NW has defended himself well enough for now.
I’m also pretty sure one of Queen and Sera is scum based on their reactions to Reborn, but again, I’m going with my gut...
Vote Lynch Seraphoenix, his reasoning for going with Celestia after weighing in on Cin/Final seems skint at best.
I am caught up now. I see something transpired between Sera and Reborn. Not too sure what to think of that. Reborn to me feels pushy, probing around, asking questions. I don't think he's mafia. Haven't ever played with Sera so not so sure what to think of his gameplay. I can understand his sus on TAC, but not so much on Reborn. Might have to re-read their posts again to get a clearer image.
Anyway I wanna ask something. @krogothwolf you seem rather inactive. I went through some of your posts and they are mostly just informing people about the game and some mechanics. Is there a reason for this and the inactivity? You're giving me the same vibes Gianfi gave me. That of an indie, fulfilling the quota so as to be able to perform night actions.
NW is giving me a town vibe, a strong one as well. TAC's rubbing me the wrong way. He's deadset on getting me lynched even though I've explained myself, abundantly. He's also ignored some of my posts and just went on with the idea and resolution to lynch me.
We need to discuss more and get down to a proper lynch.
Yup. That's why I am asking him questions. I am not too confident in my read after having the same read on Gianfi. Have you played with Krog before Rayan? Would you say he's a good, experienced player?
Weekends are a bad time for me to start a game because I have limited time to do shit and there are a ton of posts to read. It happens to me in almost every game at around this time and D1/D2 are worse because of the mass of activity.
I also feel with your point on Reborn that he isn't exactly mafia. With him replacing someone its hard to judge though because they both play so differently and it's only been 2 days.
Again I agree with the general consensus that sera seems to be scum. Their argument against Reborn and comments on FB seems very weak. I still believe they might be more third party than mafia tho, since they didn't vote for either Cinera nor FB.
I'm not going to be on much longer since I need to be leaving work soon. If you have any questions please ask me RN.
@krogothwolf you're still pretty inactive and you've dodged my question twice. Why opt for a no vote yesterday?
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