Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1095 Spoilers Discussion
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They clowned Kid for losing eaisky to enraged serious Yonko Shanks named attack
Look at a top tier being down and apologising in shame after one serious named attack from Yonko Luffy
I guess Admirals aren't worth 3B, they're 2B max
Am I doing it right?
Garp was weakened from a far weaker stab
Currently Bonney is held up tight in Saturn's hand.
Marines were ordered to fire and aim for the head.
Everyone else is an immobilized onlooker through Saturn's power (but to some Kizaru is still considered stronger LMAO)
Most likely Kuma will intervene last moment, right after the flashback, hence the Kuma flashback.
It's either Kuma or the revolutionaries.
Marines were ordered to fire and aim for the head.
Everyone else is an immobilized onlooker through Saturn's power (but to some Kizaru is still considered stronger LMAO)
Most likely Kuma will intervene last moment, right after the flashback, hence the Kuma flashback.
It's either Kuma or the revolutionaries.
That's a bit far lol.
Lucci got dominated by G5, while Kizaru went kinda even with G5 until the finale where he got downed with that punch.
Maybe, but it's all headcanon and interpretations really.
At this point, I've given up trying to figure out what's no haki, advanced armament or advanced conqueror's in Egghead arc. It's upto guesses at this point, since Loda is very inconsistent when it comes to drawing haki. To the point we have to rely on headcanon to at least some degree, cause nothing is explained for shit.
As far as Loda is concerned, Luffy may very well be using advanced conqueror's in both fights, but just wasn't drawn. We don't know
We can at least assume Luffy was using advanced armament against Lucci, since well they had that clash with a lot of lightning showing up.
The only reason I don't presume Luffy used advanced conqueror's there is that I don't believe Lucci can clash equally with G5 Luffy using advanced conqueror's (i.e headcanon, a lot of headcanon is needed here cause Loda is shit with haki)
With Kizaru, probably the last attack was advanced conqueror's. Could be advanced armament as well, who knows?
I will just assume advanced conqueror's I guess, because it had thicker lightning, but also mainly because I don't think Kizaru would be down by one hit without advanced conqueror's haki.
I've always believe Luffy was mid top-tier. Amongst the Yonkos, I had him above Big Mom and Marineford WB, but below other Yonkos. And <= Oden, if that counts for anything.
But yeah, prior to this, I always had the OG admirals above current Luffy, while new admirals below him.
At this point, I guess only maybe Akainu is clearly above Luffy
Akainu > current Luffy ~ Kizaru ~ Aokiji > Fuji ~ GB
And quite honestly, it is arguable that someone like Kaido would not even need extreme diff to take down Kizaru, high diff might be enough. Since well, Kaido can fight at the level of G5 Luffy without the time limit (once Kaido got used to G5's wack combat, he was fighting evenly or maybe even started getting the better of him in CQC).
Lucci got dominated by G5, while Kizaru went kinda even with G5 until the finale where he got downed with that punch.
Maybe, but it's all headcanon and interpretations really.
At this point, I've given up trying to figure out what's no haki, advanced armament or advanced conqueror's in Egghead arc. It's upto guesses at this point, since Loda is very inconsistent when it comes to drawing haki. To the point we have to rely on headcanon to at least some degree, cause nothing is explained for shit.
As far as Loda is concerned, Luffy may very well be using advanced conqueror's in both fights, but just wasn't drawn. We don't know
We can at least assume Luffy was using advanced armament against Lucci, since well they had that clash with a lot of lightning showing up.
The only reason I don't presume Luffy used advanced conqueror's there is that I don't believe Lucci can clash equally with G5 Luffy using advanced conqueror's (i.e headcanon, a lot of headcanon is needed here cause Loda is shit with haki)
With Kizaru, probably the last attack was advanced conqueror's. Could be advanced armament as well, who knows?
I will just assume advanced conqueror's I guess, because it had thicker lightning, but also mainly because I don't think Kizaru would be down by one hit without advanced conqueror's haki.
I've always believe Luffy was mid top-tier. Amongst the Yonkos, I had him above Big Mom and Marineford WB, but below other Yonkos. And <= Oden, if that counts for anything.
But yeah, prior to this, I always had the OG admirals above current Luffy, while new admirals below him.
At this point, I guess only maybe Akainu is clearly above Luffy
Akainu > current Luffy ~ Kizaru ~ Aokiji > Fuji ~ GB
And quite honestly, it is arguable that someone like Kaido would not even need extreme diff to take down Kizaru, high diff might be enough. Since well, Kaido can fight at the level of G5 Luffy without the time limit (once Kaido got used to G5's wack combat, he was fighting evenly or maybe even started getting the better of him in CQC).
Nonsense.
Like I'm not opposed to Luffy fighting Borsalino.
And to be honest, I think Luffy is still the most likely person to defeat Borsalino at this point.
But the arguments for Ancient Robot vs Saturn just desperately deny that Saturn is the arc antagonist of Egghead.
Like if you refuse to acknowledge that, you're just not credible in the discussion.
If Luffy defeats Borsalino and not Saturn, it will be in a WCI style fashion, where Borsalino is the one actually impeding their escape not Saturn.
But if anyone gets a protracted fight with Saturn, it's in all likelihood Luffy.
Like I'm not opposed to Luffy fighting Borsalino.
And to be honest, I think Luffy is still the most likely person to defeat Borsalino at this point.
But the arguments for Ancient Robot vs Saturn just desperately deny that Saturn is the arc antagonist of Egghead.
Like if you refuse to acknowledge that, you're just not credible in the discussion.
If Luffy defeats Borsalino and not Saturn, it will be in a WCI style fashion, where Borsalino is the one actually impeding their escape not Saturn.
But if anyone gets a protracted fight with Saturn, it's in all likelihood Luffy.
!Holdingback Luffy copers can't explain why he was able to immediately repump himself into G5 back in Wano when he lost the form yet is simply watching his friends getting brutalized and can't even speak in this chapter ? Logically the drawback shouldn't be WORSE than when he was literally dying right if he was not trying right?
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Blud emptied all of his life force to give Kizaru a headache
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Blud emptied all of his life force to give Kizaru a headache
I think this whole fucking conversation has been completely disingenuous to Kizaru entirely. Hes not even KOed, just reeling from the shock of that hit. You have instances where Akainu and Kuzan were "out of commission" from Whitebeard and Garp, yet both recovered and got up to continue fighting just fine.
You have Blackbeard and his entire group getting situationally dogged by Magellan, then Whitebeard and nobody bats an eye when he needed his crew to save him.
For some reason nobody wants to talk about how the scabbards and Luffy both made Kaido white eyed "faint".
In every case each of these people got back up or triumphed in their own ways, so why do we treat this particular fight any different? One that is clearly not even painted like other battles with no:
- Double spread ending (if Kizaru was the "Blueno or Cracker" of the arc, then why doesnt he have a proper finisher like every other villain in this series?)
- No direct KO reaction from Kizaru (He is still talking and Oda doesnt show his face)
- Actual dialogue that confirms he will be up again shortly.
Just sounds entirely hypocritical to judge this fight based on a very clear pause in the when literally every other fight ever has a climactic (read doublespread) ending with character reactions and knockouts.
You have Blackbeard and his entire group getting situationally dogged by Magellan, then Whitebeard and nobody bats an eye when he needed his crew to save him.
For some reason nobody wants to talk about how the scabbards and Luffy both made Kaido white eyed "faint".
In every case each of these people got back up or triumphed in their own ways, so why do we treat this particular fight any different? One that is clearly not even painted like other battles with no:
- Double spread ending (if Kizaru was the "Blueno or Cracker" of the arc, then why doesnt he have a proper finisher like every other villain in this series?)
- No direct KO reaction from Kizaru (He is still talking and Oda doesnt show his face)
- Actual dialogue that confirms he will be up again shortly.
Just sounds entirely hypocritical to judge this fight based on a very clear pause in the when literally every other fight ever has a climactic (read doublespread) ending with character reactions and knockouts.
You think that Saturn is the big bad of the arc, but in this arc the main character is still Vegapunk who’s closest to Kizaru and is being threatened by Kizaru.
Saturn is the Vergo of the arc. Strong and imposing but is no where’s near as connected to the arc as Kizaru is.
If Saturn survives or draws with the ancient robot it doesn’t matter, cause Luffys fight will be Kizaru here and there’s no way odas going to have Kizaru be defeated in a Blueno/Cracker scenario.
Saturn is the Vergo of the arc. Strong and imposing but is no where’s near as connected to the arc as Kizaru is.
If Saturn survives or draws with the ancient robot it doesn’t matter, cause Luffys fight will be Kizaru here and there’s no way odas going to have Kizaru be defeated in a Blueno/Cracker scenario.
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