Controversial General Political Discussion

[Tobra]

https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/isla...th-huge-300kg-warhead-during-fighting.643093/

I only quickly found that but it seems even Islamic Jihad said not so long ago that they had those type of weapons

israel claimed it was shot down and the shrapnel fell on the hospital

but from the videos we see that the missile exploded and from the sound of missile it was targeted not shrapnel

 

[Fn Lucci]

I hate that it's even supposed to matter. It's probably the difference of whether Israel gets calls to calm tf down or not... as if it shouldn't just be about casualties regardless

 

[RayanOO]

israel claimed it was shot down and the shrapnel fell on the hospital

but from the videos we see that the missile exploded and from the sound of missile it was targeted not shrapnel

I’m no expert at all

but from I saw and from what it’s said currently from the image : it seemed it was a missile that was shot but during its flight it had some problems and the fell on the hospital

From the picture of the parking lot inside the hospital it seems the missile didnt directly land on it. The hole isn’t big enough for a real missile that hit its target without problems. But more a missile that fell on it

once again I’m just parroting things I saw and heard

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

It’s proven that the « Islamic Jihad » (don’t know how that other group is called exactly) has bigger warhead that can go up to 200/300kg

I'm sure it was

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Looks like the growing consensus is that it wasn’t Israel.

 

[NAMELESS]

Looks like the growing consensus is that it wasn’t Israel.

An amateur mistake like this is more likely to happen with improvised explosives like the Hamas uses.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

An amateur mistake like this is more likely to happen with improvised explosives like the Hamas uses.

I’m also hearing the damage done was greatly exaggerated? But I can’t find any sources for that.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Video of call of Hamas operatives talking about the failed launch:
https://streamable.com/k3f4b9


And other failed launches so far with percentages (of how many fails out of all launches):

“It couldn’t have exploded somewhere else?” is the most humanizing thing for Hamas. I felt that 😂😂

 

[Roo]

I’m also hearing the damage done was greatly exaggerated? But I can’t find any sources for that.

The video I’ve shared is basically the aftermath, it appears that the hospital itself wasn’t hit and instead the parking lot.

 

[NAMELESS]

“It couldn’t have exploded somewhere else” is the most humanizing thing for Hamas. I felt that 😂😂

Their best move is to blame Israel.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The video I’ve shared is basically the aftermath, it appears that the hospital itself wasn’t hit and instead the parking lot.

Do we have a number on casualties?

 

[Roo]

Do we have a number on casualties?

Gaza ministry of health claims 500 civilians

https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c

 

[Zenos7]

My arguments were about statistics and statistically France is a safe country.So no need for fear.

Spiders are, for the most part, not that dangerous. No need for fear.

Ans this is where his statement of "fear is relative" comes in, and he is actually right about that

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Gaza ministry of health claims 500 civilians

https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c

They’re not reliable

 

[NAMELESS]

Spiders are, for the most part, not that dangerous. No need for fear.

Ans this is where his statement of "fear is relative" comes in, and he is actually right about that

Fear is relative.but facts about criminality and violence are not.C4N is a victim of relativism.He bends reality to whatever he believes.

 

[Roo]

They’re not reliable

Well they are the only source right now

 

[Adam 🍎]

yeah,but at the same time,how would they release the hostages?Give Hamas billions and release those prisoners?Comply with terrorists demands?Israel had no option,but to retaliate.Its a sad situation.

They would never kill those prisoners because if they did entire western sphere would turn their back to them

The fact prisoners are alive today shows you that they have an agenda and have goals they wanna accomplish. The moment those prisoners are executed nothing is stopping Israel for going even worse

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Well they are the only source right now

So there’s no way to know. That’s a shame.

 

[Roo]

So there’s no way to know. That’s a shame.

Well the numbers I saw yesterday were as high as 800, so it seems like as more reporters get to the scene the more clear it will be

 

[Okamakama]

I don't know who to believe, but there are so many agendas from both sides, and their supporters, that it's almost impossible to determine the best course of action. I also think any arguments about the past, and what happened before, should not really dictate how Israel responds now.

Ultimately, if you commit slaughter, you are likely to be attacked back, is that not clear? Perhaps even brutally. I am not happy for innocent deaths, but war has always existed, and quite frankly, I can imagine if it was my family that had been slaughtered... I'd cross the border myself to enact my own savagery.

Furthermore, damn the 'collective punishment' narrative when the person who started the assault did the exact same thing. I feel the Western world and it's activists are so accustomed to peace that they forget that enemies that would slaughter us at the first opportunity exist. We're like the Dodo with no predators that didn't even consider outsiders as a remote threat, having never seen one. We know how that turned out when one finally arrived.

I've seen stuff this week that has made me feel sick. But nothing more so than pro-Palestine activists cheering the acts of Hamas, with protestors chanting "gas the Jews" in Sydney, all the while the world ignores it.