Gaza ministry of health claims 500 civilians
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They would never kill those prisoners because if they did entire western sphere would turn their back to them
The fact prisoners are alive today shows you that they have an agenda and have goals they wanna accomplish. The moment those prisoners are executed nothing is stopping Israel for going even worse
The fact prisoners are alive today shows you that they have an agenda and have goals they wanna accomplish. The moment those prisoners are executed nothing is stopping Israel for going even worse
I don't know who to believe, but there are so many agendas from both sides, and their supporters, that it's almost impossible to determine the best course of action. I also think any arguments about the past, and what happened before, should not really dictate how Israel responds now.
Ultimately, if you commit slaughter, you are likely to be attacked back, is that not clear? Perhaps even brutally. I am not happy for innocent deaths, but war has always existed, and quite frankly, I can imagine if it was my family that had been slaughtered... I'd cross the border myself to enact my own savagery.
Furthermore, damn the 'collective punishment' narrative when the person who started the assault did the exact same thing. I feel the Western world and it's activists are so accustomed to peace that they forget that enemies that would slaughter us at the first opportunity exist. We're like the Dodo with no predators that didn't even consider outsiders as a remote threat, having never seen one. We know how that turned out when one finally arrived.
I've seen stuff this week that has made me feel sick. But nothing more so than pro-Palestine activists cheering the acts of Hamas, with protestors chanting "gas the Jews" in Sydney, all the while the world ignores it.
Ultimately, if you commit slaughter, you are likely to be attacked back, is that not clear? Perhaps even brutally. I am not happy for innocent deaths, but war has always existed, and quite frankly, I can imagine if it was my family that had been slaughtered... I'd cross the border myself to enact my own savagery.
Furthermore, damn the 'collective punishment' narrative when the person who started the assault did the exact same thing. I feel the Western world and it's activists are so accustomed to peace that they forget that enemies that would slaughter us at the first opportunity exist. We're like the Dodo with no predators that didn't even consider outsiders as a remote threat, having never seen one. We know how that turned out when one finally arrived.
I've seen stuff this week that has made me feel sick. But nothing more so than pro-Palestine activists cheering the acts of Hamas, with protestors chanting "gas the Jews" in Sydney, all the while the world ignores it.
There’s this trend I see amongst some pro-Palestinians where they basically apply the “all Palestinians are terrorists” logic to the Israelis.
“all Israelis are occupiers“
Haven’t really been focusing on this, just because those takes are relatively marginal and I think it’s a much bigger issue that the US and other western governments excuse Israel’s war crimes, but that stuff is still fucked up.
Like yeah, the creation of the state of Israel basically required an ethnic cleansing and the state has been doing tons of shitty things ever since. But you know what? The same can be said for America, and probably other colonial nations like Canada and Australia(although I’m not really knowledgeable about the history of those countries).
Yet you see tons of people in those very same countries celebrating when Israelis were murdered.
Murder is murder and murder is bad.
“all Israelis are occupiers“
Haven’t really been focusing on this, just because those takes are relatively marginal and I think it’s a much bigger issue that the US and other western governments excuse Israel’s war crimes, but that stuff is still fucked up.
Like yeah, the creation of the state of Israel basically required an ethnic cleansing and the state has been doing tons of shitty things ever since. But you know what? The same can be said for America, and probably other colonial nations like Canada and Australia(although I’m not really knowledgeable about the history of those countries).
Yet you see tons of people in those very same countries celebrating when Israelis were murdered.
Murder is murder and murder is bad.
main difference is that this occurred 300 years ago. We ought to mature as species and we did. Rarely any American will say what settlers did was good in any capacity, but it happened and you gotta live with it and make sure it doesn't happen again
Israel is relatively new country that knows all of this... and yet we get all of this in this day and age
Israel is relatively new country that knows all of this... and yet we get all of this in this day and age
I don’t know about that one
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Yeah that’s true but all Israelis aren’t “occupiers”.
The mizrahi, Somali Jews, as well as Jews from Afghanistan and Pakistan all fled to Israel after deteriorating conditions in their own countries and antisemitism.Not to mention the Holocaust survivors who were basically left with nothing after WWII.
Also israel was formed over 70 years ago and Israelis are now a distinct people with their own national identity. They were born and have lived their entire lives in the land.
The issue with israel isn’t that Jews are living in the land or that Jews are immigrating there. The issue is that the government doesn’t acknowledge the rights of Palestinians. It’s that Palestinians were murdered and had their land stolen by Israel.
https://x.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1640429226724655105?s=20
Yeah that’s true but all Israelis aren’t “occupiers”.
The mizrahi, Somali Jews, as well as Jews from Afghanistan and Pakistan all fled to Israel after deteriorating conditions in their own countries and antisemitism.Not to mention the Holocaust survivors who were basically left with nothing after WWII.
Also israel was formed over 70 years ago and Israelis are now a distinct people with their own national identity. They were born and have lived their entire lives in the land.
The issue with israel isn’t that Jews are living in the land or that Jews are immigrating there. The issue is that the government doesn’t acknowledge the rights of Palestinians. It’s that Palestinians were murdered and had their land stolen by Israel.
few idiots on twitter don't talk for entire nation of 300+ million people. While the genocide was atrocious the result was creation of USA and world balance being shifted towards democratic one rather than monarchist. Bad deed birthed a good one. But I wouldn't go as far to call it noble as he does
Every nation has immigration and emigration but Israel is literally only one that was gifted its own country. They did nothing to deserve it (you can argue holocaust here but Jews weren't only one that suffered in it, if you will give Jews nation based on it then other minorities like Gipsies should get it too), that piece of land exchanged hands so many times from Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Jews, Crusaders, Malamuks, Ottomans and so on, do they all now have claim to it?
Israel as a state was a mistake
Every nation has immigration and emigration but Israel is literally only one that was gifted its own country. They did nothing to deserve it (you can argue holocaust here but Jews weren't only one that suffered in it, if you will give Jews nation based on it then other minorities like Gipsies should get it too), that piece of land exchanged hands so many times from Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Jews, Crusaders, Malamuks, Ottomans and so on, do they all now have claim to it?
Israel as a state was a mistake
it’s the most bizarre way a country ever came into existence
mass immigration and support from a colonial power, funding, training soldiers, sending their own soldiers to enforce then just leave, and continue getting funding from the west
israel never stood on its own legs in its entire history ever since its inception
and its still bizarre how israel is so media oriented like i never seen an entire country go after a celebrity like israel did after gigi hadid
mass immigration and support from a colonial power, funding, training soldiers, sending their own soldiers to enforce then just leave, and continue getting funding from the west
israel never stood on its own legs in its entire history ever since its inception
and its still bizarre how israel is so media oriented like i never seen an entire country go after a celebrity like israel did after gigi hadid
That’s what the ultra orthodox believe. They think Jews can only create a state when the messiah comes.
I personally just focus on the ethics of it. It says in the Torah multiple times that murder is evil. The whole story of Cain and Abel is that we are responsible for the lives of our fellow humans.
If creating israel requires an ethnic cleansing, then it’s not moral.
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There are passages where God tells the Israelites to basically ethnically cleanse the land of Canaan. But that doesn’t apply to this because
I personally just focus on the ethics of it. It says in the Torah multiple times that murder is evil. The whole story of Cain and Abel is that we are responsible for the lives of our fellow humans.
If creating israel requires an ethnic cleansing, then it’s not moral.
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There are passages where God tells the Israelites to basically ethnically cleanse the land of Canaan. But that doesn’t apply to this because
- God specifically told the Israelites to do it in that specific scenario
- He told them to do it because they were pagans, whereas the Arabs literally pray to the same god as the Jews
- You can’t understand the Torah without also taking into account the oral law, aka the teachings of the rabbis. And while the Torah might say things that seem immoral they can only be understood within the context of the oral law. And there’s no fucking way rabbis like Maimonides would be okay with ethnic cleansing.
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